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Dont see kids playing ball on the street I grew up on either. There used to be 20 of us every day, all day, during the summer months and everywhere we went we carried a ball and could start a game anywhere, and that was only the 90s.

There is a lot less kids in the area these days I think, but maybe I just dont see them because they dont hang around the street anymore but what I will say is the area has much better facilities. There is a 5 a side all weahther pitch and the community hall was rebuilt and has a brilliant indoor pitch now . Id say this is true for most of the country tbh.
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How much has street football declined in this country?

It's sort of difficult to gauge this because where I grew up there were a lot of kids and we'd be out kicking ball all the time, the street was where you learned your skills

Where I live now doesn't have any kids

But even in the newer estates where there are kids, the impression I get is that there's much less street football

I wonder what the situation in, say South American countries is in this regard compared to Ireland

This is an issue across the board about how much kids are let out due to the perceived/real dangers.
Cars are everywhere now, speeding about and its simply more dangerous because of that one element straight away.
Yes, there were cars around in the 80's but think back to when U were kicking the ball on the road and look at the same road now...packed with abandoned cars on paths and everywhere.

Then you have the prevalence of social media to propagate fear and paranoia and more parents keep little Johnny tucked up as a 12-year old infant, driving him to the school gate (and through it if they can) and ferrying him everywhere to arranged playdates.

I'm not one for thinking it was all rosy in the garden then as it wasn't, not by a long shot and as kids then we didn't realise the hardships our elders were experiencing with work and emigration and poverty.
Things are far better now across the board but by giving over our streets to cars, and our minds to fear, we are taking away from the kids what is most precious which is unorganized (by adults!), spontaneous playtime.

I think there are two competing things at play alright

The natural desire of a parent to keep their child safe, and the associated philosophy that playtime or training time for children should be heavily regulated and non-competitive

But the reality is that the forming processes for footballers have always been brutal

The tougher the forming process, the better the footballer it would produce

I know this is cliched, but it's true - the best footballers generally were desperate to get out of the circumstances they grew up in, they saw football as a way out of that

But at the same time, that forming process left so many youngsters on the scrapheap

I think Luis Suarez is an example of a footballer that came through a very tough forming process and it shows in his character

Maradona too obviously

But our young footballers generally don't have anything like that

As a parent or a coach, you want to take the adversity out of things, and you want to concentrate on forming a young, rounded human being

You ant to remove the adversity

But having overcome adversity is a massive advantage for a top level footballer




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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

How much has street football declined in this country?

It's sort of difficult to gauge this because where I grew up there were a lot of kids and we'd be out kicking ball all the time, the street was where you learned your skills

Where I live now doesn't have any kids

But even in the newer estates where there are kids, the impression I get is that there's much less street football

I wonder what the situation in, say South American countries is in this regard compared to Ireland

This is an issue across the board about how much kids are let out due to the perceived/real dangers.
Cars are everywhere now, speeding about and its simply more dangerous because of that one element straight away.
Yes, there were cars around in the 80's but think back to when U were kicking the ball on the road and look at the same road now...packed with abandoned cars on paths and everywhere.

Then you have the prevalence of social media to propagate fear and paranoia and more parents keep little Johnny tucked up as a 12-year old infant, driving him to the school gate (and through it if they can) and ferrying him everywhere to arranged playdates.

I'm not one for thinking it was all rosy in the garden then as it wasn't, not by a long shot and as kids then we didn't realise the hardships our elders were experiencing with work and emigration and poverty.
Things are far better now across the board but by giving over our streets to cars, and our minds to fear, we are taking away from the kids what is most precious which is unorganized (by adults!), spontaneous playtime.




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nice story published today in The Athletic about him.
He became a goalkeeper at 14 years of age, having been a striker, one of the best strikers in his age group in Cork apparently. 
Only switched to being a keeper when his team’s keeper decided to quit the team, and Kelleher’s dad called the coach and said why not try Caoimhin in goals. His dad claims he would never have made the call if the other keeper hadn’t quit.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

The players we had 20/30 years ago fitted in with how football was played in the premier league then.

Now the league has changed to a much more European feel - passing and possession, technical ability is key.

Countries like Spain and Germany have loads of coaching available at underage - not some players dad acting as coach.

Ireland and Scotland have not moved with the times.

England spent loads of money on their youth set up but it’s only recently they are getting the benefit from it.

Yes you hit the nail on the head . 
I support a small league 1 team in a small town England and have been over 
to see their facilities and coaching for kids. 
I have kids playing in a local team here in Ireland and no offense to the coaches that volunteer and do their best but we're a million miles away. 


I have suggested scrapping goals for underage games 12 and under. Game should be 1 point for every 20 passes completed. Backward passes don't count. 

So basically make actual matches like a training session. Won't be long before kids get bored of it. It's not the attitude of kids that need to change but of the coaches and parents at that level. Kids are naturally competitive. Doesn't matter if it's an U10s match or a kick about with their mates. They want to score a goal and win the game, not make X number of passes for a measly point, that's training ground stuff, and even boring training ground stuff at that. 

It's the coaches and parents who feel the need that winning at all cost, no matter the age groups is the issue, shouldn't make the kids suffer for that and that's what will happen if the scenario above was adopted. Even in the games now where results don't matter the kids will still show a competitive side because they wanna win, not forced to make 20 passes because they must.

The lack of contact hours is a major negative in this country. Barry Maguire mentioned it on a LOI podcast while at Limerick that he trained more hours a week back in Holland at U10s than most 16 year olds in Ireland. That's what needs to change in this country first and foremost is the amount of contact hours kids have with coaches. Was torture trying to get parents to agree to a third night of training with our team. And it wasn't even a proper training night, was a futsal night once a week with the local FAI development officers. 

How much has street football declined in this country?

It's sort of difficult to gauge this because where I grew up there were a lot of kids and we'd be out kicking ball all the time, the street was where you learned your skills

Where I live now doesn't have any kids

But even in the newer estates where there are kids, the impression I get is that there's much less street football

I wonder what the situation in, say South American countries is in this regard compared to Ireland

Massive decline. Council estate where I live you don't see anyone playing street football anymore. Similar with lads having a kick about in schools. We'd a small school hall, ceiling was only ten foot high and had to turn benches on their sides for goals but that was our world cup in school. The school now doesn't want any sports played outside of school matches incase they get sued.

Was one of the reasons our local development officers wanted to get kids playing in a local futsal league. To make up for the lack of street football that kids weren't playing at home or kids not playing on the school yard whether on break or PE.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I'd be surprised if he does play, hopefully he does though.

Adrian played very well last year for Alisson, apart from the CL QF.



Am I imagining it or was Adrian not absolutely dirt last year? Maybe I'm holding the Atletico game against him. 


He played the 1st 15 games and were unbeaten and he was very good.

He did have a few howlers towards the end of the season, with the Athletic game being the more high profile one.

I just think Klopp will go with the experience of Adrian for the Wolves game.

I'd be shocked if he did HB. That was a big game to put Kelleher in the other night so see no reason why he wouldn't put him in against Wolves. Played well, deserves the next game. Adrian's decent but not good with the ball at his feet. Would've thought the other night put Kelleher as clear number 2?
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

The players we had 20/30 years ago fitted in with how football was played in the premier league then.

Now the league has changed to a much more European feel - passing and possession, technical ability is key.

Countries like Spain and Germany have loads of coaching available at underage - not some players dad acting as coach.

Ireland and Scotland have not moved with the times.

England spent loads of money on their youth set up but it’s only recently they are getting the benefit from it.

Yes you hit the nail on the head . 
I support a small league 1 team in a small town England and have been over 
to see their facilities and coaching for kids. 
I have kids playing in a local team here in Ireland and no offense to the coaches that volunteer and do their best but we're a million miles away. 


I have suggested scrapping goals for underage games 12 and under. Game should be 1 point for every 20 passes completed. Backward passes don't count. 

So basically make actual matches like a training session. Won't be long before kids get bored of it. It's not the attitude of kids that need to change but of the coaches and parents at that level. Kids are naturally competitive. Doesn't matter if it's an U10s match or a kick about with their mates. They want to score a goal and win the game, not make X number of passes for a measly point, that's training ground stuff, and even boring training ground stuff at that. 

It's the coaches and parents who feel the need that winning at all cost, no matter the age groups is the issue, shouldn't make the kids suffer for that and that's what will happen if the scenario above was adopted. Even in the games now where results don't matter the kids will still show a competitive side because they wanna win, not forced to make 20 passes because they must.

The lack of contact hours is a major negative in this country. Barry Maguire mentioned it on a LOI podcast while at Limerick that he trained more hours a week back in Holland at U10s than most 16 year olds in Ireland. That's what needs to change in this country first and foremost is the amount of contact hours kids have with coaches. Was torture trying to get parents to agree to a third night of training with our team. And it wasn't even a proper training night, was a futsal night once a week with the local FAI development officers. 

How much has street football declined in this country?

It's sort of difficult to gauge this because where I grew up there were a lot of kids and we'd be out kicking ball all the time, the street was where you learned your skills

Where I live now doesn't have any kids

But even in the newer estates where there are kids, the impression I get is that there's much less street football

I wonder what the situation in, say South American countries is in this regard compared to Ireland
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Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

The players we had 20/30 years ago fitted in with how football was played in the premier league then.

Now the league has changed to a much more European feel - passing and possession, technical ability is key.

Countries like Spain and Germany have loads of coaching available at underage - not some players dad acting as coach.

Ireland and Scotland have not moved with the times.

England spent loads of money on their youth set up but it’s only recently they are getting the benefit from it.

Yes you hit the nail on the head . 
I support a small league 1 team in a small town England and have been over 
to see their facilities and coaching for kids. 
I have kids playing in a local team here in Ireland and no offense to the coaches that volunteer and do their best but we're a million miles away. 


I have suggested scrapping goals for underage games 12 and under. Game should be 1 point for every 20 passes completed. Backward passes don't count. 

So basically make actual matches like a training session. Won't be long before kids get bored of it. It's not the attitude of kids that need to change but of the coaches and parents at that level. Kids are naturally competitive. Doesn't matter if it's an U10s match or a kick about with their mates. They want to score a goal and win the game, not make X number of passes for a measly point, that's training ground stuff, and even boring training ground stuff at that. 

It's the coaches and parents who feel the need that winning at all cost, no matter the age groups is the issue, shouldn't make the kids suffer for that and that's what will happen if the scenario above was adopted. Even in the games now where results don't matter the kids will still show a competitive side because they wanna win, not forced to make 20 passes because they must.

The lack of contact hours is a major negative in this country. Barry Maguire mentioned it on a LOI podcast while at Limerick that he trained more hours a week back in Holland at U10s than most 16 year olds in Ireland. That's what needs to change in this country first and foremost is the amount of contact hours kids have with coaches. Was torture trying to get parents to agree to a third night of training with our team. And it wasn't even a proper training night, was a futsal night once a week with the local FAI development officers. 


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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

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Hope he plays again this weekend and can kick on. I am a serious doubter but hopefully he can prove me wrong. 

Just curious why are you a doubter?? Think he can be a decent keeper myself his distribution is scary good although I think Bazunu has a potentially much higher ceiling.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I'd be surprised if he does play, hopefully he does though.

Adrian played very well last year for Alisson, apart from the CL QF.



Am I imagining it or was Adrian not absolutely dirt last year? Maybe I'm holding the Atletico game against him. 


He played the 1st 15 games and were unbeaten and he was very good.

He did have a few howlers towards the end of the season, with the Athletic game being the more high profile one.

I just think Klopp will go with the experience of Adrian for the Wolves game.

     
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Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

Hope he plays again this weekend and can kick on. I am a serious doubter but hopefully he can prove me wrong. 

Just curious why are you a doubter?? Think he can be a decent keeper myself his distribution is scary good although I think Bazunu has a potentially much higher ceiling.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I'd be surprised if he does play, hopefully he does though.

Adrian played very well last year for Alisson, apart from the CL QF.


Am I imagining it or was Adrian not absolutely dirt last year? Maybe I'm holding the Atletico game against him. 
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I'd be surprised if he does play, hopefully he does though.

Adrian played very well last year for Alisson, apart from the CL QF.

     
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Hope he plays again this weekend and can kick on. I am a serious doubter but hopefully he can prove me wrong. 
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How much do ye think Caoimhin is on per week lads? Salary?


He's on 15k a week.

Nice. But at the same time, not unexpected. If he plays another few and plays well he should double his money. 
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How much do ye think Caoimhin is on per week lads? Salary?


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