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Claret Murph ![]() Paul McGrath ![]() ![]() Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15456 |
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Mad people wanting to see Ireland lose , now i hate the GAA ( i really mean that ) but when they played mixed rules with the Aussies i always wanted to see Ireland win .
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Terzino ![]() 500 Club la la la ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2016 Status: Offline Points: 577 |
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Over a million people watched the South Africa game, so I can only imagine what the numbers would be if Ireland made the final.
The "Team of Us" PR strategy, that many hate, certainly becomes more real. In the same time that Delaney was running the FAI, rugby built itself into a formidable machine based around the provinces. It's proof that a successful international side needs a clear plan that supports a domestic game. In other words, football needs less resentment and more emulation.
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Badgersboys9 ![]() Liam Brady ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 2019 Status: Offline Points: 2260 |
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Het-field ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9621 |
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I'd consider the wins over SA and Australia on a par. The Australia win was our most significant RWC victory, up to that point, and it was also achieved in the Southern Hemisphere. There is a large delineation between Ireland as a professional rugby entity, and its amateur status. We had one victory over South Africa before 2004, and went 20 years between the late 1970s and early 2000s between victories over Australia. The 1990s was also a significantly difficult time, with tour defeats to Namibia, a hammering from Samoa in Dublin in 1996, three defeats to Italy (who were 'tier 2' at the time), and the nail in the coffin was the defeat to Argentina in the 1999 RWC. In 1998 we were whitewashed in the Five Nations. Ireland struck out with a new found confidence after it started trusting in its own structures, with its provincial teams mixing it with the best in Europe, rather than looking at the Premiership for players. Sure, the national rugby team has not won an RWC. In fact, it has never come close to winning one. But it has won more local tournaments than in its past, and the provinces have massively raised the stature of the game, by giving people a catchment and an outlet for support. When people refer to 'tests' as 'friendlies' its ignorant, as the way rugby is played is that even matches with no material prize on the line are still given massive weight. I guess this is a hangover from the amateur era, which isn't that long ago. As such, victories in the Southern Hemisphere are rare, and are celebrated.
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aviva2015 ![]() Phil Babb ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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You pretty much summed up my feeling towards it too. I used to really enjoy it and went to a few Munster & Ireland matches home & away when I was younger but the last decade has become nauseating.
The thing that really gets me is the headlines and every win is history making or historic. just a bit of perspective at times would be nice. Lost a series 2-1 to SA and it was historic as it was our first win in SA. Beating New Zealand in Chicago a match I was at is nowhere near our best achievement in sport as mentioned above plenty of other examples in many sports. Genuine question as I only have a passing interest in rugby and was more of a tag along with the lads for a weekend kind of fan when I was younger - is the SA win last week our only decent win in a rugby world cup I know we beat Australia in 2011 but were they very strong then? Also the group was much weaker then so we were pretty much guaranteed second regardless. No big win stands out. Just to sum up the media frenzy nearly every person in the country who has no interest in sport I think could tell you how great beating NZ was and how historic it was but would many know about the footballers beating defending world champions Germany in a must win qualifier? Saying all that I hope we win it the same as I would any Irish person/team competing and I will be on the bandwagon out for pints come quarter final time if we get there.
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Maccatacca ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3821 |
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I like rugby as a sport, can't stand the culture behind it in this country though.
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Het-field ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9621 |
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Yup.
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MayoMark ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() The NEW angrier Freewheeler Joined: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Castlebar Status: Offline Points: 26028 |
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Is that not what ye have been talking about here for the last few pages?
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Het-field ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9621 |
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Is there a significant number of people? Like you said in Mayo there seems to be a heap of indifference. And maybe if the number of people who want to see rugby fail is a minority, then perhaps the problem lies with them?
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Borussia ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Oct 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 9665 |
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That's an interesting take.
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MayoMark ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() The NEW angrier Freewheeler Joined: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Castlebar Status: Offline Points: 26028 |
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If there are a significant number of people who actually want the rugby team to fail (something I don't think I've seen in any other sport) then maybe the problem lies with rugby. Maybe.
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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E2016 ![]() Liam Brady ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1600 |
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I don't wish them to fail. I watched the Ireland vs South Africa game and I enjoyed it and wanted them to win. However cricket and golf don't get even 1/20th of the media exposure that rugby gets in this country. Rugby is shoved down peoples throats at every single opportunity. And you've got a whole bandwagon of fans who literally don't even know the rules. They don't understand the offside rule, they wouldn't be able to tell you what somebody being off their feet means, they don't understand the rules regarding mauls, or a player not releasing. You may as well be talking Japanese to them. So despite the fact that rugby is so prominently pushed in this country, a fair amount of people who claim to support it don't even know the rules surrounding how the game is actually played. We constantly over-emphasise the importance or significance of our achievements in rugby and the way that the media and pundits go on about us you'd think we had won 3 World Cups. Winning a Six Nations isn't that big of an achievement. It's basically a four team tournament which is usually decided on which team has the favourable home/away advantage in a given year. Winning a friendly vs New Zealand isn't our greatest ever sporting achievement. Being ranked number 1 is not something anybody gives a toss about in football despite the list of competitive nations being about 6 times as long (sure weren't Belgium no.1 for ages but nobody ever thought anything of it) but you never hear the end of it in Rugby. The last RWC for nearly a full year beforehand all we heard is how we were going to win it. We still, still haven't won a knockout game at a rugby world cup despite being near guaranteed to reach the knockouts at every RWC tournament. I don't think it was as bad this time, people have learned small lessons after QF disasters vs Argentina, Wales and the Japan/New Zealand debacle. But you still have people talking about us as winners in waiting, or saying how we will meet SA again in the final - how about win a QF first and take it from there, or just beat Scotland first, rather than people losing the run of themselves as usual. It does make me a small bit nauseous at the thought of actually winning it and how these people would go on then, because even with consistent underachievement and disappointment at RWC's they act like being handed the cup is just a formality every single time.
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Het-field ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9621 |
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Who is insisting it? It’s hardly like 1984. And these issues with rugby go back a fairly long way at this stage.
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doherty ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 6713 |
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I think a lot of it is also unless your interested in it you don't understand the specifics rules and laws. A lot of people just couldn't be bothered trying to get up to speed with it. It's like looking at Cricket and thinking what the fook is going on here.
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I love beer gardens
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Paulie ![]() Liam Brady ![]() Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 2896 |
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And that's perfectly fine. It's the wishing them to fail that I don't get. I don't care about cricket and when Ireland were in the WC I didn't watch any of it, same for the hockey and even the Ryder Cup over the weekend. If I was in the pub and it was on though that would have been fine. My head wouldn't explode or anything. If asked whether I'd like Ireland to win in those sports I'd have said that course I wanted an Ireland win, just don't ask me to watch it. Some people act as though they're going to burst out in hives at the sight of a rugby ball FFS. |
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Baldrick ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() ![]() Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 30659 |
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Elite sport is brilliant regardless of the sport. The Ireland South Africa game was great. Liked watching the Ryder cup too. Wimbledon final was great as are the NFL playoffs and Darts and snooker at the crucible and the All Ireland semi and finals.
For week in week out I would struggle to watch rugby. |
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AKA pedantic kunt
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MayoMark ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() The NEW angrier Freewheeler Joined: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Castlebar Status: Offline Points: 26028 |
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Maybe rugby people constantly insisting everyone should love rugby has something to do with it!
I live in Castlebar, work in Swinford, Foxford and Claremorris and spend a lot of time on Ballina. You just wouldn't know there was a world cup on. Its followed very very casually at best in most parts of the country.
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Het-field ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9621 |
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Some definitely don’t. But there is a bit of a psychology behind some of the dislike for the game, which has reasons beyond finding it uncompetitive or unaesthetic.
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