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Murder Rap

Labyrinthine documentary about the internecine feud between Suge Knight's Death Row Records and Puff Daddy's Bad Boy Records in the mid-90s. A feud that resulted in Tupac's ignominious death in 1996 and Notorious B.I.G.'s assassination, commonly thought to be a reprisal, several months later in 1997.

The documentary makes a convincing case as to who and what was responsible for the murders, backed up by interviews with chief investigator Greg Kading, and copious police interview recordings with some of the main players in the murder conspiracies.

Documentary does a good job of keeping things on track considering the voluminous number of names and information flying at you.

In the end I felt rather sorry for Tupac and Biggie. Both, particularly Tupac, were in way over their heads with some very serious gangsters and paid the most serious price for the image their record companies cultivated for them.

Particularly resonating is surveillance footage from the night of Tupac's death where he participates in a gang assault on the man (a Crip) thought to have killed him on chancing upon him while leaving a Mike Tyson fight, pretty much signing his own death warrant in the process.
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Originally posted by Paulie Paulie wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Paulie Paulie wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

The Albania game wasn't broadcast at all on irish TV as there was a dispute over the pricing of the rights. Similar to Turkey playoff game.

Seem to recall family members watching the Albania game in the Submarine via some unofficial satellite source. 


That game was shown on a giant telly in The Point. They charged however much it was and a few thousand paid in to see it. It was great craic made all the better by a 2-1 win


That's where I watched it. Good day out. Had to work harder than expected for that win, wasn't a great performance. 


Yeah I think they scored first and then we got back with goals from Staunton and Cascarino (I think). I can't remember which of them got the winner but I think it was fairly late on. That would have been a great triple header. I didn't get to my first away though until Latvia in 1994.


Nice if you had 3 weeks off from work LOL

I assume most would have flown over and back for the Albania game and then do the week for the Latvia/Lithuania matches. 


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As first away games go, that one would be pretty hard to beat.
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Originally posted by Paulie Paulie wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Paulie Paulie wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

The Albania game wasn't broadcast at all on irish TV as there was a dispute over the pricing of the rights. Similar to Turkey playoff game.

Seem to recall family members watching the Albania game in the Submarine via some unofficial satellite source. 


That game was shown on a giant telly in The Point. They charged however much it was and a few thousand paid in to see it. It was great craic made all the better by a 2-1 win


That's where I watched it. Good day out. Had to work harder than expected for that win, wasn't a great performance. 


Yeah I think they scored first and then we got back with goals from Staunton and Cascarino (I think). I can't remember which of them got the winner but I think it was fairly late on. That would have been a great triple header. I didn't get to my first away though until Latvia in 1994.

Cas got the winner in the last ten mins. Italy at Giants stadium was my first away, wouldn't have had it but for that winner. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Paulie Paulie wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

The Albania game wasn't broadcast at all on irish TV as there was a dispute over the pricing of the rights. Similar to Turkey playoff game.

Seem to recall family members watching the Albania game in the Submarine via some unofficial satellite source. 


That game was shown on a giant telly in The Point. They charged however much it was and a few thousand paid in to see it. It was great craic made all the better by a 2-1 win


That's where I watched it. Good day out. Had to work harder than expected for that win, wasn't a great performance. 


Yeah I think they scored first and then we got back with goals from Staunton and Cascarino (I think). I can't remember which of them got the winner but I think it was fairly late on. That would have been a great triple header. I didn't get to my first away though until Latvia in 1994.
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Have no memories of watching any of the Euro 92 qualifiers at all. Have a vague recollection of the shootout against Romania. Next Ireland memory after that is the Latvia game



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Originally posted by Paulie Paulie wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

The Albania game wasn't broadcast at all on irish TV as there was a dispute over the pricing of the rights. Similar to Turkey playoff game.

Seem to recall family members watching the Albania game in the Submarine via some unofficial satellite source. 


That game was shown on a giant telly in The Point. They charged however much it was and a few thousand paid in to see it. It was great craic made all the better by a 2-1 win

That's where I watched it. Good day out. Had to work harder than expected for that win, wasn't a great performance. 
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Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

The Albania game wasn't broadcast at all on irish TV as there was a dispute over the pricing of the rights. Similar to Turkey playoff game.

Seem to recall family members watching the Albania game in the Submarine via some unofficial satellite source. 


That game was shown on a giant telly in The Point. They charged however much it was and a few thousand paid in to see it. It was great craic made all the better by a 2-1 win
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watched a fascinating doc on BBC4 recently, called Collective - Unravelling a Scandal. About widespread corruption at the heart of Romanian health system. Following a fire at a music venue which killed 27 people, a further 37 victims of the fire died in hospital, not as a result of the fire but from getting infections picked up in the hospital. It turned out that the company who supplied the disinfectants to the hospital (and other hospitals) had  diluted the disinfectants by 10 times more than they should have which was complicit in the deaths of patients. That's only the start of it, the level of corruption was astounding. It was actually a sports paper that broke the story....
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I went to Latvia and Lithuania in 93,10 day package with travel agent.Flew to Moscow from Dublin,1 night in Moscow and then it was train's to Latvia and Lithuania with 3 nights in St Petersburg between the 2 matches.Good trip,won the 2 matches.St Petersburg was a dodgy spot, hotel room got robbed.They took everything, they only left us our wash gear.Luckey for us we had our passports and money on us.Big smile
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Remember listening to the Albania match on the radio. Same craic with Turkey in 1999.
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Have no memories of watching any of the Euro 92 qualifiers at all. Have a vague recollection of the shootout against Romania. Next Ireland memory after that is the Latvia game

Edited by Denis Irwin - 06 Apr 2021 at 5:37pm
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yeah it’s in the doc a load of people watching the game in the submarine.  You may spot your relations Tom.  


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The Albania game wasn't broadcast at all on irish TV as there was a dispute over the pricing of the rights. Similar to Turkey playoff game.

Seem to recall family members watching the Albania game in the Submarine via some unofficial satellite source. 
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

that group also had a triple header in away to Albania Latvia and Lithuania at the end of May and start and middle of June.  

Anyone on here do all 3?  


Well before my time of going to games but do known some lads that did Latvia and Lithuania
Would have been an ideal double header, 300km between the capitals

McGrath got a goal against Latvia after he had gone awol for the game against Albania.  That must have been some fear he had after the Albania game and his week in Israel. 
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

that group also had a triple header in away to Albania Latvia and Lithuania at the end of May and start and middle of June.  

Anyone on here do all 3?  


Well before my time of going to games but do known some lads that did Latvia and Lithuania
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

that group also had a triple header in away to Albania Latvia and Lithuania at the end of May and start and middle of June.  

Anyone on here do all 3?  


Well before my time of going to games but do known some lads that did Latvia and Lithuania


Edited by Denis Irwin - 06 Apr 2021 at 2:32pm
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