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    Posted: 13 Oct 2023 at 10:03am
Such a nonsense really, what did Dicker tell Poyet - "That youngfella Ferguson is good" and "Theyre going to play 5 at the back, so they are".

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Carsley and Gary Dicker.  No spies then. 


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Carsley and Gary Dicker.  No spies then. 

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Carsley with Samuel Szmodics as assistant 4 EIRE

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Carsley with Samuel Szmodics as assistant 4 EIRE

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

What is so special about Carsley?  Totally unproven and while he has had success at U21 level it is no indication he will be a success at senior level.



Aidy Boothroyd had a similar record before him I think yet don't see his name being put forward (nor should it)


Really,  he never won the euros.  
Knocked out in group stage in 2019 and 2021. 

Got to the knockout stages in 2017 and lost on pens to Germany.  

Carsley wins the euros at his first go and doesn’t concede a goal at the tournament and only dropped 5 points out of 30 in qualifying.  

Similar records alright. 

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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

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Boothroyd also famously failed to beat Andorra Under 21s when he was the England Under 21 manager. Was generally very poorly regarded during his time in the post. I'm not necessarily saying Carsley is definitely the answer, but he's not comparable to Boothroyd at all.

That was an incredible appointment from the FA in hindsight. Winning world cups at u17/20 level and then leaving the u21s in the hands of the least progressive manager in English football


Funnily enough if Big Sam didn't love his brown envelopes Aidy Boothroyd would have been manager for that U20s WC. Got moved up to the U21s after Southgate got the England job.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Boothroyd also famously failed to beat Andorra Under 21s when he was the England Under 21 manager. Was generally very poorly regarded during his time in the post. I'm not necessarily saying Carsley is definitely the answer, but he's not comparable to Boothroyd at all.
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Boothroyd also famously failed to beat Andorra Under 21s when he was the England Under 21 manager. Was generally very poorly regarded during his time in the post. I'm not necessarily saying Carsley is definitely the answer, but he's not comparable to Boothroyd at all.
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Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

The only two coaches to me that make any sense are Carsley and BBM. I know BBM is a stretch but we have no funds and very little in the way of options anyway. BBM will be met with a hell of a lot of criticism so likely can't happen.

Most of the others don't move Irish football on and are probably not interested in football development in the country something I think we can all admire about Kenny is he does have a passion for that side which very few predecessors have had. Hell Trap supposedly didn't even know Ian Harte was Irish.

I am not saying that is the job of Irish manager per se but we need someone aligned with our underage system and who enjoys that side of it.

I would be quite happy with BBM. We could do a lot worse. SK has done an awful lot right, and with rhe right coach would probably have succeeded. Wouldn't want to throw everything out and go back to square one
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The only two coaches to me that make any sense are Carsley and BBM. I know BBM is a stretch but we have no funds and very little in the way of options anyway. BBM will be met with a hell of a lot of criticism so likely can't happen.

Most of the others don't move Irish football on and are probably not interested in football development in the country something I think we can all admire about Kenny is he does have a passion for that side which very few predecessors have had. Hell Trap supposedly didn't even know Ian Harte was Irish.

I am not saying that is the job of Irish manager per se but we need someone aligned with our underage system and who enjoys that side of it.
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

What is so special about Carsley?  Totally unproven and while he has had success at U21 level it is no indication he will be a success at senior level.



Aidy Boothroyd had a similar record before him I think yet don't see his name being put forward (nor should it)


Really,  he never won the euros.  
Knocked out in group stage in 2019 and 2021. 

Got to the knockout stages in 2017 and lost on pens to Germany.  

Carsley wins the euros at his first go and doesn’t concede a goal at the tournament and only dropped 5 points out of 30 in qualifying.  

Similar records alright. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

What is so special about Carsley?  Totally unproven and while he has had success at U21 level it is no indication he will be a success at senior level.

Just look at Stephen Kenny.  Was getting great results with the U21s and has been the worst manager in our history.

We need a proven manager who can get results while playing a somewhat decent brand of football. 

Its no coincidence all our major qualifications came from managers with authority and a proven track record.

Our experiments have all ended disastrously.  Kerr, Staunton, Kenny...

I fully agree with you. I don’t see the clamour for Carsley myself. As you say he’s totally unproven at this level.

Will be a stick to beat him with if it doesn’t work out but he is highly thought of in footballing circles (according to his mate Kilbane) and has turned down jobs (Brentford being one, obviously before they got in the Dane).

If we are only going to be splashing out 500-750k a year, we can’t really have too high aspirations about getting a higher profile managers. we would be shopping in the aisle with Bruce, McKenna, Mark Kennedy, etc. 
Think I would take Carsley over those names.



Just a point of order, we certainly will not be shopping in the Mc Kenna aisle, if we were, purchasing him would be a no brainer (my guess is he would have zero interest in us in any case). I'm of the opinion that we dont have enough to even purchase a Lee Carsley, let alone a Kieran McKenna.

Bearing that in mind, one name I havent seen mentioned at all, who might be a good option if we are genuinely skint is current Crystal Palace assistant manager Paddy McCarthy - Dublin born, Irish underage caps and a B cap, involved with various youth teams at Palace since 2016, highly regarded and has overseen a lot of Irish lads at the CP academy. Our current GK coach Dean Kiely actually works with him day to day as the current GK coach at Palace. Havent seen him mentioned at all in dispatches, but he's just turned 40, presumably has all the coaching badges, knows the inner workings of a top PL club and must surely have learned a lot working alongside Hodgson and Lewington. He could be an interesting candidate.




He would be a gamble and I don't want any more gambles.  IMO should be getting a proven manager not some fella who has no experience of management at top level football.   The last thing we want is another fella learnign on the job for another 3 years wasting qualifying campaigns and dropping our ranking into an unrecoverable position for qualifcation.

Tbh TJ, that would be my preference too, but I'm not seeing anyone come up with genuine realistic candidates that tick those boxes. Who do you have in mind? 
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

What is so special about Carsley?  Totally unproven and while he has had success at U21 level it is no indication he will be a success at senior level.

Just look at Stephen Kenny.  Was getting great results with the U21s and has been the worst manager in our history.

We need a proven manager who can get results while playing a somewhat decent brand of football. 

Its no coincidence all our major qualifications came from managers with authority and a proven track record.

Our experiments have all ended disastrously.  Kerr, Staunton, Kenny...

I fully agree with you. I don’t see the clamour for Carsley myself. As you say he’s totally unproven at this level.

Will be a stick to beat him with if it doesn’t work out but he is highly thought of in footballing circles (according to his mate Kilbane) and has turned down jobs (Brentford being one, obviously before they got in the Dane).

If we are only going to be splashing out 500-750k a year, we can’t really have too high aspirations about getting a higher profile managers. we would be shopping in the aisle with Bruce, McKenna, Mark Kennedy, etc. 
Think I would take Carsley over those names.



Just a point of order, we certainly will not be shopping in the Mc Kenna aisle, if we were, purchasing him would be a no brainer (my guess is he would have zero interest in us in any case). I'm of the opinion that we dont have enough to even purchase a Lee Carsley, let alone a Kieran McKenna.

Bearing that in mind, one name I havent seen mentioned at all, who might be a good option if we are genuinely skint is current Crystal Palace assistant manager Paddy McCarthy - Dublin born, Irish underage caps and a B cap, involved with various youth teams at Palace since 2016, highly regarded and has overseen a lot of Irish lads at the CP academy. Our current GK coach Dean Kiely actually works with him day to day as the current GK coach at Palace. Havent seen him mentioned at all in dispatches, but he's just turned 40, presumably has all the coaching badges, knows the inner workings of a top PL club and must surely have learned a lot working alongside Hodgson and Lewington. He could be an interesting candidate.




He would be a gamble and I don't want any more gambles.  IMO should be getting a proven manager not some fella who has no experience of management at top level football.   The last thing we want is another fella learnign on the job for another 3 years wasting qualifying campaigns and dropping our ranking into an unrecoverable position for qualifcation.
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