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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Ampadu's a quality player and proved it when they hammered us 4-0 in Dublin.  

Can play defensive-mid very well and arguably better than Cullen (though a different type of player).  Certainly far further ahead in his career at his age than Cullen was at the same time. 

We could definitely have done with him. Spilt milk, though.

Agree generally re what happens when Bale moves on, but it kind of goes for us as well - without a Roy Keane or a Duff-Robbie Keane combo, we're fairly ordinary.  Us, Wales, NI, Scotland, just need one top-class player to build a team around - a Roy Keane, Gareth Bale, or dare I say it, Jack Grealish or Declan Rice.  Ooops - more spilt milk!

Disagree on Ampadu as a DM. Has looked nothing more than average in Serie A this season. Does well out of possession but doesn't offer too much on it
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Originally posted by KingKenny KingKenny wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Ampadu's a quality player and proved it when they hammered us 4-0 in Dublin.  

Can play defensive-mid very well and arguably better than Cullen (though a different type of player).  Certainly far further ahead in his career at his age than Cullen was at the same time. 

We could definitely have done with him. Spilt milk, though.

Agree generally re what happens when Bale moves on, but it kind of goes for us as well - without a Roy Keane or a Duff-Robbie Keane combo, we're fairly ordinary.  Us, Wales, NI, Scotland, just need one top-class player to build a team around - a Roy Keane, Gareth Bale, or dare I say it, Jack Grealish or Declan Rice.  Ooops - more spilt milk!

Disagree on Ampadu as a DM. Has looked nothing more than average in Serie A this season. Does well out of possession but doesn't offer too much on it

And he didn't want to play for Ireland. He wanted to play for Wales. What are we supposed to do, capture him and force him to play for us under duress?

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Originally posted by KingKenny KingKenny wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Ampadu's a quality player and proved it when they hammered us 4-0 in Dublin.  

Can play defensive-mid very well and arguably better than Cullen (though a different type of player).  Certainly far further ahead in his career at his age than Cullen was at the same time. 

We could definitely have done with him. Spilt milk, though.

Agree generally re what happens when Bale moves on, but it kind of goes for us as well - without a Roy Keane or a Duff-Robbie Keane combo, we're fairly ordinary.  Us, Wales, NI, Scotland, just need one top-class player to build a team around - a Roy Keane, Gareth Bale, or dare I say it, Jack Grealish or Declan Rice.  Ooops - more spilt milk!


Disagree on Ampadu as a DM. Has looked nothing more than average in Serie A this season. Does well out of possession but doesn't offer too much on it


Plus Robbie Savage would have looked quality in that 4-1 game with how bad we were set up for it under MON and he was retired about 7yrs at that stage.
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Ampadu has been given a good shot at the Premier League, the Bundesliga and Serie A now and has looked no more than mediocre in any of them.

Currently being linked to a string of Championship clubs next season which says a lot about his career trajectory. Could easily go the same way as Ben Woodburn has (or Aaron Connolly seems to be going, to use an Irish example). Has been given a lot of chances at a higher level and hasn't kicked on.


Edited by You Tell Me - 14 May 2022 at 10:25pm
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Similar to Cashin they probably waited until the last minute to do his paperwork. Strong chance he's not yet eligible to play in competitive games for us.


Apparently Cashins paperwork still isn't fully finished. I wouldn't be surprised if Springetts paperwork wasn't sorted, wasn't he previously only part of noncompetitive U18s?

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I actually don't mind the development player idea, but I'm not sure I'd be giving the spot to Springett. I'd probably go with someone who is a better bet to make the seniors longer term, like Festy Ebosele or Tayo Adaramola. Both seem to be surplus to requirements for the Under 21s at present, so why not bring them in and give them the experience. They'd hopefully both jump at the chance.


Wouldn't say that at all.
Festy was named in the last U21s squad until he had his little issue.

Adaramola has been with the U19s, he'll certainly be moved up for the next U21s campaign. Possibly for the June games as a backup for Bagan. (Crawford used Lyons as backup for both LWB & RWB last camp).

I think that's been the best place for both of them for now.

But yeah, I don't think Springett warrants it either.

Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

half of our squad have been development players in the last 18 months.


Yeah kind of. I'd say Parrott in particular has held that "Development Player" spot since Kenny has come in.
Coventry was called up in March 2021 to train with the squad. Lee O'Connor & Omobamidele were called up to train last summer (though more because of injuries).

I think if anyone is to be called up next as a development case it should be Coventry (followed by Kilkenny once he gets playing regularly). Apparently the thinking around West Ham is Coventry has a higher ceiling than Cullen, which if true would be great for us and would certainly be worth investing time in given how light we are in that position.
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Surely it should be the other way around considering Coventry looked lost in the Championship for Peterborough whereas Kilkenny was able to step up pretty much straight away.
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Should probably factor in the teams they were playing for though. Kilkenny would probably have struggled at Peterborough, Coventry would probably have looked good at Bournemouth. They're different kinds of midfielder but I don't think there's much between them at this point. Both should have solid careers.
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Back on the bench this afternoon
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Look to be playing a back three today.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Surely it should be the other way around considering Coventry looked lost in the Championship for Peterborough whereas Kilkenny was able to step up pretty much straight away.


Oh I'm on the verge of arguing for Kilkenny's inclusion too. As you say he's already shown himself very handy in the Championship (& in the right team will grow & grow), I just think his lack of games since January hurts his case.

Had he gone on loan, even to League 1 like Coventry, then he'd have probably 15+ starts under his belt and would be in a much better position for pushing into the Ireland squad.

Coventry had a tough time at Peterborough sure, but was that him struggling in the Championship or was that him in a team that was struggling in the Championship. I agree with YTM there, the overall level of the team needs to be taken into account there.

Since going to MK Dons Coventry has started 22 games in a row, playing the full 90' in all but 1 (75' on his debut), and helped them push from 6th to almost securing automatic promotion. He did very well there.
I think he'll get a good Championship loan next season.

Hourihane being Cullens backup is a genuine worry. Cullen can't play every game, and Hourihane is just not good enough, we're going nowhere if we have to rely on him in important games. I would rather get Coventry in now & start blooding him.

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How 'bout that Springett lad, eh? I hear he plays football or something...
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Cashin, Ebosele, Bagan and McLaughlin all came into struggling sides during the season and fared pretty well; McLaughlin was instrumental in Hull getting out of relegation trouble.

And I'd argue it's just as hard to come into a struggling side as a defender.

And, yes, I know re: Ebosele.


Edited by Hotlips_Hoolahan - 15 May 2022 at 9:06pm
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Look to be playing a back three today.

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Edited by The Huntacha - 16 May 2022 at 5:21am
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