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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Norwich clearly rate him and - given they're blooding him now - might see him as a starter next year when they'll aim to be challenging to win the Championship.



Or they're just giving him time in meaningless games to judge where he is when it comes to senior football. Has Sargent, Rashica, Dowell, and Rowe who was called up from the 23s when Smith came in ahead of him. You've also got Cantwell possibly coming back and another couple of wide players in the squad. Probably more chance of him getting a loan than being a starter for Norwich.

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Some good points, but overall inaccurate in relation to Wales.  Yes, they have those very good players and generational players that you say. 

However, Wales' strength in depth has been massively improved by capping English-born players as teenagers.  

[Edited aside: Funnily enough, Wales have weirdly often had very good or "generational" players, such as Ryan Giggs, Ian Rush, or even Mark Hughes and Dean Saunders (a UK transfer record player in his day if I remember correctly), but the team was always let down by having too many league 1 level players in it.  So your Ryan Giggs players couldn't make much of a difference.  Now the Gareth Bales and Ramsey's are playing with low-level PL and top-half Championship players instead - and so the deep does not suffer from the lack of strength in depth]

A few examples in recent squads of English born teenagers capped at senior level by Wales who have added to their team and strength in depth, many of whom would start for us and all would be in our squads:

- Daniel James, formerly of Man U, now Leeds, loads of PL appearances

- Ethan Ampadu, who shockingly we missed out on despite his Dad playing for us - lots of PL appearances for someone his age.  Proved, ironically in games against our lads, that he is better than many of our players! 

- Chris Mepham - Bournemouth player, PL experience and back in PL again now (was 21 not a teenager when called up, but same point).

- Matondo - Bundesliga and Champions League football with Schalke, now with Cercle Brugge 

- Ben Woodburn - had a few years of very good form before falling off, but still a regular for Hearts and great potential - still on Liverpool's books who must rate him

- David Brooks - cracking player linked with Champions League clubs not so long ago before sadly falling ill. 

- Tyler Roberts - 100 games for Leeds, about half of them in the PL.

- Matthew Smith - an outstanding young player who didn't make it at Man City, but spent time in the Erdivisie and Championship.  Now rebuilding at MK Dons.

That's off the top of my head a list of English-born lads capped for Wales as teenagers who have improved their team and strength and depth and most would get into our 11 or at least squad, thus improving strength in depth. 

I think this illustrates there is a lot to be gained from getting lads like this involved at a senior level early enough. 

I'd love to see Kenny use the NL windows as an opportunity to do so.


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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

We shouldn't feel the need to fast-track dual-eligible players into the first team on the basis of playing one PL game just to tie them down and prevent them from being eligible for anyone else.

Dixon, O'Cearuill, Lapira and Gamble are proof of how absurd a thought process stuff like that is.

People keep bringing Wales up. Completely different situation. Yes they have one or two very good players (Davies, Ramsey) and another generational one (Bale) but, apart from that, they have very little strength in depth even compared to us.

How would you even decide who gets these token squad places? I mean there have been similar cases made for Liam Kelly, Daniel Crowley and Jack Taylor (currently linked with the mighty Ipswich) in the past. I'm sure there was for lads like Michael Harriman and Reece Grego-Cox when they got fleeting game time in the PL.

And how would lads like Jack Byrne and Daniel Mandroiu feel about it? 

And what of those already on the periphery of the squad, like Mark Sykes, who's on the verge of a move to Bristol City in the Championship after a great campaign? Do we push him to the back of the queue now because one lad has made one start for an already relegated team?

The Under-21 team is the right place for boys like Smallbone and Springett. There is no mad rush to cap them. They're way off being good enough for England and, if they're committed, they don't need to be bribed into playing for us in the long-term.

Jesus the only other nation he was eligible for was the people's Republic of Cork.
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I actually don't mind the development player idea, but I'm not sure I'd be giving the spot to Springett. I'd probably go with someone who is a better bet to make the seniors longer term, like Festy Ebosele or Tayo Adaramola. Both seem to be surplus to requirements for the Under 21s at present, so why not bring them in and give them the experience. They'd hopefully both jump at the chance.
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Not a bad idea.  Both Festy and Adaramola at this point would seem to have high ceilings. 
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I think he's definitely good enough for the under 21's and should be in the next squad for them. I was quite impressed with his couple of appearances for Norwich so far, seems well balanced and comfortable on the ball (not the sort of player we have many of). I think throwing him straight in with the seniors would be jumping the gun though, there are plenty of other uncapped players ahead of him in the queue.
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Similar to Cashin they probably waited until the last minute to do his paperwork. Strong chance he's not yet eligible to play in competitive games for us.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

I think throwing him straight in with the seniors would be jumping the gun though, there are plenty of other uncapped players ahead of him in the queue.

This was the same attitude management had vis a vis a young Grealish who was smashing it in League 1 at 18 for Notts County (could easily have been picked for an easy match at home v Gibralter) and Declan Rice after 5 PL games for West Ham (could easily have been picked for a handy game v Moldova).  

Also, the list of uncapped PL players ahead of him in the queue is: zero.  Norwich should be looking to be in the top-half of the Championship next year, and there aren't too many such uncapped players either. 

If you're good enough to play PL or top half of Championship, you're probably good enough for our squad, even taking age out of it. 

Would love to see maybe 2 or 3 of Springett, Smallbone, Adaramola and Festy (although don't want to be rewarding his recent attitude issues) in our senior squad for one or two of the upcoming NL games.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I actually don't mind the development player idea, but I'm not sure I'd be giving the spot to Springett. I'd probably go with someone who is a better bet to make the seniors longer term, like Festy Ebosele or Tayo Adaramola. Both seem to be surplus to requirements for the Under 21s at present, so why not bring them in and give them the experience. They'd hopefully both jump at the chance.
half of our squad have been development players in the last 18 months.
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Some good points, but overall inaccurate in relation to Wales.  Yes, they have those very good players and generational players that you say. 

However, Wales' strength in depth has been massively improved by capping English-born players as teenagers.  

[Edited aside: Funnily enough, Wales have weirdly often had very good or "generational" players, such as Ryan Giggs, Ian Rush, or even Mark Hughes and Dean Saunders (a UK transfer record player in his day if I remember correctly), but the team was always let down by having too many league 1 level players in it.  So your Ryan Giggs players couldn't make much of a difference.  Now the Gareth Bales and Ramsey's are playing with low-level PL and top-half Championship players instead - and so the deep does not suffer from the lack of strength in depth]

A few examples in recent squads of English born teenagers capped at senior level by Wales who have added to their team and strength in depth, many of whom would start for us and all would be in our squads:

- Daniel James, formerly of Man U, now Leeds, loads of PL appearances

- Ethan Ampadu, who shockingly we missed out on despite his Dad playing for us - lots of PL appearances for someone his age.  Proved, ironically in games against our lads, that he is better than many of our players! 

- Chris Mepham - Bournemouth player, PL experience and back in PL again now (was 21 not a teenager when called up, but same point).

- Matondo - Bundesliga and Champions League football with Schalke, now with Cercle Brugge 

- Ben Woodburn - had a few years of very good form before falling off, but still a regular for Hearts and great potential - still on Liverpool's books who must rate him

- David Brooks - cracking player linked with Champions League clubs not so long ago before sadly falling ill. 

- Tyler Roberts - 100 games for Leeds, about half of them in the PL.

- Matthew Smith - an outstanding young player who didn't make it at Man City, but spent time in the Erdivisie and Championship.  Now rebuilding at MK Dons.

That's off the top of my head a list of English-born lads capped for Wales as teenagers who have improved their team and strength and depth and most would get into our 11 or at least squad, thus improving strength in depth. 

I think this illustrates there is a lot to be gained from getting lads like this involved at a senior level early enough. 

I'd love to see Kenny use the NL windows as an opportunity to do so.
Ampadu is Welsh so nothing shocking in missing out on him.
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Springett is another one of those players who most fans at the start of the season would never have heard of...

Springett, cashin, ferguson, ebosele and more have made superb progress putting themselves on the fringes of first team football at a very high level.

There's definitely a question to be asked with regards of promoting a promising lad over the players that have consistantly underachieved for ireland.

Personally I'd like to see an u21 team that looks like the below just for the amount of ability in it and they all still qualify.

                           Bazunu 
        Omobamidele Collins Cashin
Ebosele                                            Bagan 

           Knight smallbone kilkenny

                       Idah   Parrott 

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Coventry 
 


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[/QUOTE]Ampadu is Welsh so nothing shocking in missing out on him.[/QUOTE]

Ampadu was born and raised in England (Exeter) to an Irish professional footballer Dad (of Ghanian heritage) and a Welsh Mum.  

Not born in Wales and never lived in Wales afaik.  So another talented English-born player capped by the Welsh in his early teenage years.  

Has proved a fantastic find for them.  And a loss for us, given his Dad's record for us.
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:


Personally I'd like to see an u21 team that looks like the below just for the amount of ability in it and they all still qualify.

                           Bazunu 
        Omobamidele Collins Cashin
Ebosele                                            Bagan 

           Knight smallbone kilkenny

                       Idah   Parrott 

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Ferguson
Springett 
Coventry 


That team would give our senior team a run for its money!
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did his dad not play a few under 21s
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Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

did his dad not play a few under 21s


Are you thinking of Anto Scully and his dad Tony?
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:


Quote Ampadu is Welsh so nothing shocking in missing out on him.

Ampadu was born and raised in England (Exeter) to an Irish professional footballer Dad (of Ghanian heritage) and a Welsh Mum.  

Not born in Wales and never lived in Wales afaik.  So another talented English-born player capped by the Welsh in his early teenage years.  

Has proved a fantastic find for them.  And a loss for us, given his Dad's record for us.

Ampadu currently plays for Venezia, who are stone last in Serie A and heading for relegation. Last season he played for Sheffield United who finished bottom of the Premier League. The season before that he hardly got a kick for RB Leipzig and he has played a total of 10 minutes of league football for his parent club, Chelsea.

He's also a centre back - a position where we're absolutely stacked.

I don't think we have missed out on too much here to be honest, but the fact he has 30+ caps for Wales tells it's own story. They don't have the player depth to pick from that we do, that's why they're able to take a chance on non-Welsh lads like Ampadu when they're 17. Most will go the way of Ben Woodburn and others, spiraling down the divisions, a few will develop into middling players like Ampadu and they're just hoping they'll pull the next Gareth Bale out of somewhere, but that seems unlikely. 

Once Bale moves on Wales will go back to being a slightly better version of Northern Ireland, generally not qualifying for tournaments and trying to cap any half decent teenager that qualifies for them to tie them down to the team.


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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

did his dad not play a few under 21s


Are you thinking of Anto Scully and his dad Tony?

Both Scully and Ethan Ampadu have fathers who played for Ireland U21.  Kwame Ampadu played for Belvedere before going to Arsenal.
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:


Quote Ampadu is Welsh so nothing shocking in missing out on him.

Ampadu was born and raised in England (Exeter) to an Irish professional footballer Dad (of Ghanian heritage) and a Welsh Mum.  

Not born in Wales and never lived in Wales afaik.  So another talented English-born player capped by the Welsh in his early teenage years.  

Has proved a fantastic find for them.  And a loss for us, given his Dad's record for us.

Ampadu currently plays for Venezia, who are stone last in Serie A and heading for relegation. Last season he played for Sheffield United who finished bottom of the Premier League. The season before that he hardly got a kick for RB Leipzig and he has played a total of 10 minutes of league football for his parent club, Chelsea.

He's also a centre back - a position where we're absolutely stacked.

I don't think we have missed out on too much here to be honest, but the fact he has 30+ caps for Wales tells it's own story. They don't have the player depth to pick from that we do, that's why they're able to take a chance on non-Welsh lads like Ampadu when they're 17. Most will go the way of Ben Woodburn and others, spiraling down the divisions, a few will develop into middling players like Ampadu and they're just hoping they'll pull the next Gareth Bale out of somewhere, but that seems unlikely. 

Once Bale moves on Wales will go back to being a slightly better version of Northern Ireland, generally not qualifying for tournaments and trying to cap any half decent teenager that qualifies for them to tie them down to the team.

Ampadu's a quality player and proved it when they hammered us 4-0 in Dublin.  

Can play defensive-mid very well and arguably better than Cullen (though a different type of player).  Certainly far further ahead in his career at his age than Cullen was at the same time. 

We could definitely have done with him. Spilt milk, though.

Agree generally re what happens when Bale moves on, but it kind of goes for us as well - without a Roy Keane or a Duff-Robbie Keane combo, we're fairly ordinary.  Us, Wales, NI, Scotland, just need one top-class player to build a team around - a Roy Keane, Gareth Bale, or dare I say it, Jack Grealish or Declan Rice.  Ooops - more spilt milk!
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