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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Tapo<b> Tapo wrote:

It's tricky because we don't have the luxury to tell these guys to move on when we end up in this situation.
But with how things worked out with Grealish, Rice, and now seemingly Cannon, players (and agents) know they can get away with it. If for not other reason, we need to take a strong position with someone just to put some doubt in their heads before taking this approach. 


Arguably we do in certain positions like Goalkeeping, Defense and Forwards.

Grealish and Rice were losses because we were crying out for Midfielders and still are.

I really dont think Cannon will be much of a loss considering we've Ferguson, Obafemi, Parrott, Idah and Connolly already in the seniors who are only 2/3 years older than him and half a dozen other young forwards between the u21/u19/u17s who should come good too.

Cannon had plenty of time to think about it over the summer, I dont think its fair on other players now to lose out on a squad place if he decides to come on board later in the campaign.
Apart from Ferguson, he’s a better prospect than the others you mention. He’s only 20, but with the possible exception of the oft-injured and flakey Obafemi, he’s shown more in one Championship season than the others in their whole careers. We definitely need to keep pursuing him.

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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Tapo<b> Tapo wrote:

It's tricky because we don't have the luxury to tell these guys to move on when we end up in this situation.
But with how things worked out with Grealish, Rice, and now seemingly Cannon, players (and agents) know they can get away with it. If for not other reason, we need to take a strong position with someone just to put some doubt in their heads before taking this approach. 


Arguably we do in certain positions like Goalkeeping, Defense and Forwards.

Grealish and Rice were losses because we were crying out for Midfielders and still are.

I really dont think Cannon will be much of a loss considering we've Ferguson, Obafemi, Parrott, Idah and Connolly already in the seniors who are only 2/3 years older than him and half a dozen other young forwards between the u21/u19/u17s who should come good too.

Cannon had plenty of time to think about it over the summer, I dont think its fair on other players now to lose out on a squad place if he decides to come on board later in the campaign.
Apart from Ferguson, he’s a better prospect than the others you mention. He’s only 20, but with the possible exception of the oft-injured and flakey Obafemi, he’s shown more in one Championship season than the others in their whole careers. We definitely need to keep pursuing him.

Same amount of league goals in half a season as Idah over last 3/4 years. He will be a loss if he defects. Idah, Obafemi, Afolabi, Parrot and Connolly have not reached level they were hyped up to 4/5 years ago when considered golden generation of strikers. Still talking about potential etc. Cannon came in under radar and adapted to men’s football and proved he could score goals in men’s football. Can’t count on just Ferguson to stay fit. Especially when Connolly, Idah and Obafemi are made of glass and Parrott has struggled to make an impact at championship. Hope Cannon commits but if he doesn’t so be it.
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Originally posted by PaddyMaddenIsCounty! PaddyMaddenIsCounty! wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Tapo<b> Tapo wrote:

It's tricky because we don't have the luxury to tell these guys to move on when we end up in this situation.
But with how things worked out with Grealish, Rice, and now seemingly Cannon, players (and agents) know they can get away with it. If for not other reason, we need to take a strong position with someone just to put some doubt in their heads before taking this approach. 


Arguably we do in certain positions like Goalkeeping, Defense and Forwards.

Grealish and Rice were losses because we were crying out for Midfielders and still are.

I really dont think Cannon will be much of a loss considering we've Ferguson, Obafemi, Parrott, Idah and Connolly already in the seniors who are only 2/3 years older than him and half a dozen other young forwards between the u21/u19/u17s who should come good too.

Cannon had plenty of time to think about it over the summer, I dont think its fair on other players now to lose out on a squad place if he decides to come on board later in the campaign.
Apart from Ferguson, he’s a better prospect than the others you mention. He’s only 20, but with the possible exception of the oft-injured and flakey Obafemi, he’s shown more in one Championship season than the others in their whole careers. We definitely need to keep pursuing him.

Same amount of league goals in half a season as Idah over last 3/4 years. He will be a loss if he defects. Idah, Obafemi, Afolabi, Parrot and Connolly have not reached level they were hyped up to 4/5 years ago when considered golden generation of strikers. Still talking about potential etc. Cannon came in under radar and adapted to men’s football and proved he could score goals in men’s football. Can’t count on just Ferguson to stay fit. Especially when Connolly, Idah and Obafemi are made of glass and Parrott has struggled to make an impact at championship. Hope Cannon commits but if he doesn’t so be it.

If most of them end up as Championship level strikers with the odd EPL level one (which looks entirely possible) then they are a golden generation of strikers. People aren't appreciating just how unusual our current situation is, we have good young strikers playing across the top 3 divisions in England, and further afield. It would be great if Cannon stays with us too, but for the first time in a long time it's not vital.
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"English *****"....scouse *****"....give the casual racism a rest. Cannon is simply just a *****!
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Looks like he's off to Leicester anyway. Which probably ties in with him defecting from us since Leicester are not a club you'd associate with packing their squad with Ireland players for whatever reason.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Looks like he's off to Leicester anyway. Which probably ties in with him defecting from us since Leicester are not a club you'd associate with packing their squad with Ireland players for whatever reason.

Better than him going to Norwich and potentially taking minutes off Idah I guess
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Looks like he's off to Leicester anyway. Which probably ties in with him defecting from us since Leicester are not a club you'd associate with packing their squad with Ireland players for whatever reason.

Well he probably sees it (as I do) as a season in the Championship where he will probably do well being part of one of the better squads, and then he will get a chance in the Premier League with Leicester. Which if he takes will get him a call up for England.

I think he will get capped for them. And I think this transfer is him as good as gone for us.
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i doubt the move to Leicester has much to do with his international aspirations. It's one of the better moves any player can get in the championship full stop. 
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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Looks like he's off to Leicester anyway. Which probably ties in with him defecting from us since Leicester are not a club you'd associate with packing their squad with Ireland players for whatever reason.

Well he probably sees it (as I do) as a season in the Championship where he will probably do well being part of one of the better squads, and then he will get a chance in the Premier League with Leicester. Which if he takes will get him a call up for England.

I think he will get capped for them. And I think this transfer is him as good as gone for us.
He would still be doing very well to get a cap. Kane/Wilson/Rashford/Nketiah/Watkins/Toney, even Tammy Abraham as a left-field option. England have ridiculous depth upfront. Cannon would want to score 20+ this season and 15+ next season to be in with a reasonable shout. Suppose you never know with England though, could get called up for a mickey mouse window and be given a cap against a poor side.
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Looks like he's off to Leicester anyway. Which probably ties in with him defecting from us since Leicester are not a club you'd associate with packing their squad with Ireland players for whatever reason.

Well he probably sees it (as I do) as a season in the Championship where he will probably do well being part of one of the better squads, and then he will get a chance in the Premier League with Leicester. Which if he takes will get him a call up for England.

I think he will get capped for them. And I think this transfer is him as good as gone for us.
He would still be doing very well to get a cap. Kane/Wilson/Rashford/Nketiah/Watkins/Toney, even Tammy Abraham as a left-field option. England have ridiculous depth upfront. Cannon would want to score 20+ this season and 15+ next season to be in with a reasonable shout. Suppose you never know with England though, could get called up for a mickey mouse window and be given a cap against a poor side.

He also has Calvert-Lewin ahead of him who is only 26 - he couldn't get in ahead of him at Everton either...
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

i doubt the move to Leicester has much to do with his international aspirations. It's one of the better moves any player can get in the championship full stop. 
 


It’s a brilliant move as they likely go back up but will he start for Leicester with Ihanacho and Vardy there? Hope it works out for the lad but a question mark about that!

I’m sure the player is well aware he won’t be starting for England anytime soon and that he would be taking a long term punt with that. 
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Cannon not in the England under 21 squad as expected so that saga rolls on for another few weeks towards its inevitable conclusion. Interesting looking at their squad though, they look very weak at centre forward at this age group. It's basically just Liam Delap and Dane Scarlett, who has done nothing to date to suggest that he's going to go on to play at a high level. There aren't any strikers from that age group fast tracked into the seniors either. You can see why they would want Cannon on that basis.

Within the same age group (2002 or later) Ireland would have Parrott (2002), Armstrong (2003), Emakhu (2003) and obviously Ferguson (2004). There's probably more competition for Cannon in that Irish group than there is in the English group, albeit Ferguson obviously isn't going to be with the 21s.

Also notable that while Cannon isn't there (yet) they do have a couple of other recent poaches in their squads. Hayden Hackney has been poached from the Scotland underage setup and Omari Kellyman has been poached from Northern Ireland into one of their other underage squads. So they're clearly continuing to be very active in recruiting dual eligible players away from other countries.
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Cannon is now a Leicester City player.
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Not that i could care less but seems a silly move. Dont see how he gets regular games with Vardy and Iheanacho there. 
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A good move for him that I will only really care about if he commits to us!
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Cannon - a striker born in 2002 - dropping down a division for £7.5m is interesting when viewed alongside the Omobamidele transfer - a defender also born in 2002 - moving the other way for £20m including add-ons.

If Omobamidele is worth nearly three times as much as Cannon in the eyes of the market that maybe suggests that Cannon isn't seen as that big a prospect - I do think he has decent potential but the odds of him making it with England longer term wouldn't be great here. I actually have a bit of sympathy with him having to make this call at this point in his career, just because he played a couple of Under 19 games for us. 
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The sympathy piece is fair enough but, like Rice, when Ireland was his only option he hammed up his love for Ireland and his background and pride at the call up. Which can definitely all co-exist with a sense of Englishness. Rice was sold a dream and that dream has been realized and more. Whereas Cannon hardly had a dream of English under 21 caps. The alternative is far less compelling to the Ireland one at present so he can't give as much of a toss for his sense of Irishness as it suited him to imply previously. Obviously future England prospects, albeit slim ones, exist and he has an agent in his ear that has seen his brother do quite well from the Rice to England move so there are factors pulling him that way. 

Elements of this are very  disappointing but if he turns around and commits to Ireland then I'll have no issue with him taking time to think about the switch. I can understand why he would pause to think. But no sympathy from me on having to make the decision and no sympathy if he switches and never gets a senior cap for England. 
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