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By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!
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By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!

But this was in 93 and 95 ...
They didn’t qualify for any Euros in the 90’s and didn’t get out of the group stage in 94.

They obviously beat some good teams but don’t remember this great team.

They mentioned it the other night as the Copenhagen manager also played for Norway in the 90’s.

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Well '93 was when they  would have won said qualifying group. It must also be considered that the rankings were only created in 1992 and were fairly rudimentary in the first few years.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!

Norway were knocked out in the first round of the 1994 World Cup finals, which was the first major finals that team made

Failed to qualify for Euro '96

Knocked out tamely in the second round of France '98

Knocked out in the first round of Euro 2000

Doesn't really strike me as the record of a top team

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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!

Norway were knocked out in the first round of the 1994 World Cup finals, which was the first major finals that team made

Failed to qualify for Euro '96

Knocked out tamely in the second round of France '98

Knocked out in the first round of Euro 2000

Doesn't really strike me as the record of a top team

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No algorithms, in fact the lack of them. Friendlies were counted far higher than now, possibly even the same as qualifying matches, I can't remember exactly, and their records in qualifying for both World Cups was very good; even if they rode their luck in getting to America.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!

Norway were knocked out in the first round of the 1994 World Cup finals, which was the first major finals that team made

Failed to qualify for Euro '96

Knocked out tamely in the second round of France '98

Knocked out in the first round of Euro 2000

Doesn't really strike me as the record of a top team

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No algorithms, in fact the lack of them. Friendlies were counted far higher than now, possibly even the same as qualifying matches, I can't remember exactly, and their records in qualifying for both World Cups was very good; even if they rode their luck in getting to America.

Whatever about the first bit, the part in bold was never the case. 
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/these-football-times/2016/oct/12/norway-football-world-cup-san-marino-qualifiers

This explains it a bit, the fifa rankings only came into effect in October 93 and was based on 94 qualifying mostly as PM says they beat England and Netherlands during that two teams. In fact they had the best points total in qualifying so we're considered the best team in UEFA during qualifying (if you take away points from bottom team in 6 team groups)

I think it was also the reason we were 6th going into the world cup
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!

Norway were knocked out in the first round of the 1994 World Cup finals, which was the first major finals that team made

Failed to qualify for Euro '96

Knocked out tamely in the second round of France '98

Knocked out in the first round of Euro 2000

Doesn't really strike me as the record of a top team

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No algorithms, in fact the lack of them. Friendlies were counted far higher than now, possibly even the same as qualifying matches, I can't remember exactly, and their records in qualifying for both World Cups was very good; even if they rode their luck in getting to America.

Whatever about the first bit, the part in bold was never the case. 


I am pretty sure this was the case, but the only evidence I can find is the very unreliable Wikipedia.

The ranking formula used from August 1993 until December 1998 was very simplistic and quickly became noticed for its lack of supporting factors. When the rankings were initially introduced, a team received one point for a draw or three for a victory in FIFA-recognised matches – much the same as a traditional league scoring system. This was a quite simplistic approach, however, and FIFA quickly realised that there were many factors affecting international matches.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

By having an incredibly good record! They won a group with the Netherlands and England in it and beat Brazil at the World Cup. I believe they are the only nation Brazil has played and hasn't beaten. They beat them in a high profile friendly in the 90s too.
They weren't pretty, but they were incredibly effective. There's probably some lad on their equivalent of this asking how we got to the quarter finals!

Norway were knocked out in the first round of the 1994 World Cup finals, which was the first major finals that team made

Failed to qualify for Euro '96

Knocked out tamely in the second round of France '98

Knocked out in the first round of Euro 2000

Doesn't really strike me as the record of a top team

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No algorithms, in fact the lack of them. Friendlies were counted far higher than now, possibly even the same as qualifying matches, I can't remember exactly, and their records in qualifying for both World Cups was very good; even if they rode their luck in getting to America.

Whatever about the first bit, the part in bold was never the case. 


I am pretty sure this was the case, but the only evidence I can find is the very unreliable Wikipedia.

The ranking formula used from August 1993 until December 1998 was very simplistic and quickly became noticed for its lack of supporting factors. When the rankings were initially introduced, a team received one point for a draw or three for a victory in FIFA-recognised matches – much the same as a traditional league scoring system. This was a quite simplistic approach, however, and FIFA quickly realised that there were many factors affecting international matches.

I misread your post. Thumbs Up I thought you mean't friendlies in general were considered as important as qualifiers before. I didn't realise you mean't in a seeding/ranking sense.

That rings a bell actually. I'm almost sure friendlies were more vital when it came to ranking points years ago. Funny thing is and again I may have this wrong, I think it was working out to our disadvantage that we either had to much or too little friendlies round 6-8 years ago during Trap's or more likely O'Neill's reign. 

Rolo I think was posting about it before on the permutations thread. Even if we won friendlies, it was somehow not going in our favour for seedings in the next qualifiers. Something like that. 

I could be completely wrong on this too.  
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I think you're right Muff. We played too many, I think the results weren't that important. 

Didn't Wales absolutely fly up the rankings due to playing hardly any friendlies combined with a successful qualifying campaign.
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Yep, which is why the ranking system is badly flawed. It is nearly impossible to create a perfect one, but it certainly needs adjustment.
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Waiting for Godot was originally written in French by Beckett and performed in French before being translated into English by Beckett
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Waiting for Godot was originally written in French by Beckett and performed in French before being translated into English by Beckett
The greatest Beckett fact is that he used to drive André the Giant to school.
 
Yeah that's a good one. I think it is exaggerated some times that it was just him and Andre in his car but it was actually him and a load of kids would jump onto the flat bed of Beckett's truck when he offered the local kids a lift down the road.
 
My favourite Andre the Giant fact is that when filming The Princess Bride he got pissed and passed out in the hotel bar. He was so huge that no one could move him so the hotel staff put a velvet rope around him like a museum exhibit so that no one would bump into him and they left him there for the night. 
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Originally posted by Flanno7hi Flanno7hi wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Waiting for Godot was originally written in French by Beckett and performed in French before being translated into English by Beckett
The greatest Beckett fact is that he used to drive André the Giant to school.
 
Yeah that's a good one. I think it is exaggerated some times that it was just him and Andre in his car but it was actually him and a load of kids would jump onto the flat bed of Beckett's truck when he offered the local kids a lift down the road.
 
My favourite Andre the Giant fact is that when filming The Princess Bride he got pissed and passed out in the hotel bar. He was so huge that no one could move him so the hotel staff put a velvet rope around him like a museum exhibit so that no one would bump into him and they left him there for the night. 


Didn't he drink something like 30 cans in a sitting LOL
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Flanno7hi Flanno7hi wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Waiting for Godot was originally written in French by Beckett and performed in French before being translated into English by Beckett
The greatest Beckett fact is that he used to drive André the Giant to school.
 
Yeah that's a good one. I think it is exaggerated some times that it was just him and Andre in his car but it was actually him and a load of kids would jump onto the flat bed of Beckett's truck when he offered the local kids a lift down the road.
 
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Didn't he drink something like 30 cans in a sitting LOL

That was just to whet the whistle. The vino would then appear. 


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