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BaileNuisBhoy
Liam Brady Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 2674 |
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Say no to Egg Chasing!!!
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coyne
Paul McGrath Joined: 17 Aug 2013 Location: Sunderland Status: Offline Points: 15881 |
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I actually hate the taste of bitter. More of a whiskey man myself.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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This is part of the problem. If people criticise the new potential owners and their background it will be deemed as 'bitterness' and 'jealousy', when that is just wilfully ignoring the elephant in the room.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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He does point out the flaws of social media but people not caring is the whole point!0
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, itâs not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16468 |
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It is an odd one alright, without trying to sound like I support the Saudis a lot of the human rights issues stem from them following Sharia Law to the letter.
Do I have issues with what they do, of course but again without trying to be supportive of the regime it's what I grew up believing, Saudis believe in another way is it right for me to judge that? In terms of the sportswashing term which is being thrown around perhaps they are using it as a distraction and again not wanting to sound supportive of the Saudis are Qatar and UAE not doing the exact same thing with PSG, The World Cup and Man City? In terms of the TV rights argument? I'd say that is more political then it is about the morals of the game and revenue. I think the main point I'm trying to make is as a Newcastle fan can I in any way change this. NO Will I stop supporting Newcastle because of it NO |
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10641 |
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I think this has become a bit of a narrative around the move, i.e. âitâs out of my handsâ and âlittle can be done by the fansâ. Newcastle fans have been particularly vocal about the Ashley regime, and have been for some time, especially after Rafaâs departure. It would seem a tad inconsistent to drop the protest movement simply because there is a view âthere is nothing that can be doneâ. That could have been argued by fans about Ashley, especially as moving or sacking or transferring owners just isnât a thing. Newcastle have been a club that has been vocal in standing up against what it didnât like. Fans famously confronting Keegan about the sale of Cole (and purchase of Gillespie), and Freddy Shepherd too. Objectively, the narrative of helplessness is compromised in that this is different to the Glazier take over at Manchester United. It brings financial muscle that it can share with other teams like City and PSG (both werenât big teams prior to their investment). It just appears convenient when the move has the potential to push Newcastle beyond what occurred in 1994-1997 and make them a European powerhouse.
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, itâs not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16468 |
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Yes Newcastle are passionate about the club and I'd imagine there will be protests in regards to the new ownership if it goes. I do agree many fans views are been skewed by the fact the club may be able to compete financially now which I think was more the issues had with Ashley, it started off well enough for him remember but as soon as what happened with Keegan he became a villian and I think from that point onwards his relationship with the club changed too. If you look back over the years Ashley has been at the club we very rarely spent more then we earned via sales. I think the majority of protests were about his running of the club rather then how he ran Sports Direct as I said that wasn't necessarily something fans could change. Similar to how protests against the Saudi government aren't going to make the Saudi government go "you know what the Newcastle fans are right lets change" As I said I don't support what the Saudis do (tbh I don't know the full extent either of everything they've been accused of). Will I support the team I've loved since I was a boy yes.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10641 |
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Iâm not encouraging anybody to turn their back on the club, or anything like that. There is something in most top clubâs history that some of the fans will at best to a blind eye to and at worst be apologists for.
I suppose, in this instance, I have been intrigued by some of the responses I have seen, which includes the schoolroom jibe of âtheyâre just jealousâ, which is an attitude of the apologist, to the âwhat can we do about itâ. The latter view is not that of the apologist, but a sign of a blind spot, which I think could transform into acceptance. Another one if seen is the âwhataboutâ American owners, which just isnât the same and a poor comparison. I accept that the Ashley protests were about being able to financially compete. The central issue most WHU fans with the current ownership, amongst many, is the perception about expenditure. But that doesnât mean that you canât protest a new owner for other reasons. And even if it is just a symbolic protest, it makes a point, and demonstrates a commitment to wider inclusivity etc
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, itâs not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16468 |
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And I'd imagine Newcastle fans will protest over others reasons too. |
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Jackal
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Sep 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1356 |
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So... stoning gay people at half time or what's the story?
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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This lockdown has gone on too long! I'm in agreement with Hetfield here.
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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6870 |
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I support Leeds in England, granted I'm not hardcore but I get over to matches occasionally and have followed them since I was a kid. There's no way I would continue to support them if the Saudi regime took over. Even aside from the vast ethical arguments, you won't be experiencing organic success. Same as PSG/ City etc, the club as you know will cease to exist. Winning by virtue of having an endless supply of cash. Where's the fun in that?
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10641 |
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Iâm sure they will. But I am a little concerned by the narrative that âwhat can the fans doâ, when Newcastle have been very vocal about âgetting their club backâ. These are contradictory because if fans are helpless then there is no hope for them âgetting their club backâ as it accepts that it is a club in name only and there is a distinction between the corporate and the personal, which means itâs not actually a club. I just feel itâs a refuge for fans who see the potential for massive gains on the pitch, while overlooking some crucial issues.
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coyne
Paul McGrath Joined: 17 Aug 2013 Location: Sunderland Status: Offline Points: 15881 |
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I wonder what Newcastle Central's MP will make of all of this, a woman with so much hate for Mike Ashley she actually tried to pause the vote on Brexit to try change the debate on ousting him.
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Salzburglilly
Roy Keane Joined: 15 Dec 2011 Location: Salzburg Status: Offline Points: 12422 |
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The hunderland obsession with this is predictable,they hadn't got a clue what Saudia Arabia was last week never mind where it is.
At this stage i honestly couldn't give a bollocks who takes over as long as that greedy pig is out !
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Nathan Collins - The best Kildare baller since Johnny Doyle!
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coyne
Paul McGrath Joined: 17 Aug 2013 Location: Sunderland Status: Offline Points: 15881 |
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I've used that joke already get your own
Edited by coyne - 23 Apr 2020 at 5:50pm |
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bundy
Davey Langan Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 935 |
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Organic growth? Itâs the Premier League and itâs the year 2020. How can any team grow âorganicallyâ? I donât know what planet youâre on but Iâm glad Iâm not on it. The only way to survive in modern sport is to throw mountains of cash at it. There is simply no other way.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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What's this 'cans' sh*te about on Twitter? Geordie coming across terribly during this, but hardly surprising either. Always been massively overrated as supporters.
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