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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I'd say most Newcastle supporters think Saudi Arabia is one of them pay in eat as much as you want buffets never mind what's happening in Yemen.
You've got to love the bitterness 😂
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Originally posted by BaileNuisBhoy BaileNuisBhoy wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I'd say most Newcastle supporters think Saudi Arabia is one of them pay in eat as much as you want buffets never mind what's happening in Yemen.
You've got to love the bitterness 😂
This is part of the problem. If people criticise the new potential owners and their background it will be deemed as 'bitterness' and 'jealousy', when that is just wilfully ignoring the elephant in the room.
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Originally posted by Slow & Blind Slow & Blind wrote:

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https://www.si.com/.amp/soccer/2020/04/22/newcastle-sale-saudi-arabia-mike-ashley-premier-league?__twitter_impression=true

Another excellent synopsis. 
Good article.
The only point is I'd ignore social media, Twitter in particular, if you want to get a view on what Newcastle supporters think of the Saudis. Most Newcastle supporters i meet don't care who the new owners are and many wouldn't be too clued up on what been happening in Yemen for the last 10 years. 
He does point out the flaws of social media  but people not caring is the whole point!0
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It is an odd one alright, without trying to sound like I support the Saudis a lot of the human rights issues stem from them following Sharia Law to the letter.

Do I have issues with what they do, of course but again without trying to be supportive of the regime it's what I grew up believing, Saudis believe in another way is it right for me to judge that?

In terms of the sportswashing term which is being thrown around perhaps they are using it as a distraction and again not wanting to sound supportive of the Saudis are Qatar and UAE not doing the exact same thing with PSG, The World Cup and Man City? 

In terms of the TV rights argument? I'd say that is more political then it is about the morals of the game and revenue.


I think the main point I'm trying to make is as a Newcastle fan can I in any way change this. NO
Will I stop supporting Newcastle because of it NO



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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

It is an odd one alright, without trying to sound like I support the Saudis a lot of the human rights issues stem from them following Sharia Law to the letter.

Do I have issues with what they do, of course but again without trying to be supportive of the regime it's what I grew up believing, Saudis believe in another way is it right for me to judge that?

In terms of the sportswashing term which is being thrown around perhaps they are using it as a distraction and again not wanting to sound supportive of the Saudis are Qatar and UAE not doing the exact same thing with PSG, The World Cup and Man City? 

In terms of the TV rights argument? I'd say that is more political then it is about the morals of the game and revenue.


I think the main point I'm trying to make is as a Newcastle fan can I in any way change this. NO
Will I stop supporting Newcastle because of it NO




I think this has become a bit of a narrative around the move, i.e. “it’s out of my hands” and “little can be done by the fans”. Newcastle fans have been particularly vocal about the Ashley regime, and have been for some time, especially after Rafa’s departure. It would seem a tad inconsistent to drop the protest movement simply because there is a view “there is nothing that can be done”. That could have been argued by fans about Ashley, especially as moving or sacking or transferring owners just isn’t a thing.

Newcastle have been a club that has been vocal in standing up against what it didn’t like. Fans famously confronting Keegan about the sale of Cole (and purchase of Gillespie), and Freddy Shepherd too. Objectively, the narrative of helplessness is compromised in that this is different to the Glazier take over at Manchester United. It brings financial muscle that it can share with other teams like City and PSG (both weren’t big teams prior to their investment). It just appears convenient when the move has the potential to push Newcastle beyond what occurred in 1994-1997 and make them a European powerhouse.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

It is an odd one alright, without trying to sound like I support the Saudis a lot of the human rights issues stem from them following Sharia Law to the letter.

Do I have issues with what they do, of course but again without trying to be supportive of the regime it's what I grew up believing, Saudis believe in another way is it right for me to judge that?

In terms of the sportswashing term which is being thrown around perhaps they are using it as a distraction and again not wanting to sound supportive of the Saudis are Qatar and UAE not doing the exact same thing with PSG, The World Cup and Man City? 

In terms of the TV rights argument? I'd say that is more political then it is about the morals of the game and revenue.


I think the main point I'm trying to make is as a Newcastle fan can I in any way change this. NO
Will I stop supporting Newcastle because of it NO




I think this has become a bit of a narrative around the move, i.e. “it’s out of my hands” and “little can be done by the fans”. Newcastle fans have been particularly vocal about the Ashley regime, and have been for some time, especially after Rafa’s departure. It would seem a tad inconsistent to drop the protest movement simply because there is a view “there is nothing that can be done”. That could have been argued by fans about Ashley, especially as moving or sacking or transferring owners just isn’t a thing.

Newcastle have been a club that has been vocal in standing up against what it didn’t like. Fans famously confronting Keegan about the sale of Cole (and purchase of Gillespie), and Freddy Shepherd too. Objectively, the narrative of helplessness is compromised in that this is different to the Glazier take over at Manchester United. It brings financial muscle that it can share with other teams like City and PSG (both weren’t big teams prior to their investment). It just appears convenient when the move has the potential to push Newcastle beyond what occurred in 1994-1997 and make them a European powerhouse.

Yes Newcastle are passionate about the club and I'd imagine there will be protests in regards to the new ownership if it goes.

I do agree many fans views are been skewed by the fact the club may be able to compete financially now which I think was more the issues had with Ashley, it started off well enough for him remember but as soon as what happened with Keegan he became a villian and I think from that point onwards his relationship with the club changed too. 

If you look back over the years Ashley has been at the club we very rarely spent more then we earned via sales. 

I think the majority of protests were about his running of the club rather then how he ran Sports Direct as I said that wasn't necessarily something fans could change. Similar to how protests against the Saudi government aren't going to make the Saudi government go "you know what the Newcastle fans are right lets change"

As I said I don't support what the Saudis do (tbh I don't know the full extent either of everything they've been accused of). Will I support the team I've loved since I was a boy yes.
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I’m not encouraging anybody to turn their back on the club, or anything like that. There is something in most top club’s history that some of the fans will at best to a blind eye to and at worst be apologists for.

I suppose, in this instance, I have been intrigued by some of the responses I have seen, which includes the schoolroom jibe of “they’re just jealous”, which is an attitude of the apologist, to the “what can we do about it”. The latter view is not that of the apologist, but a sign of a blind spot, which I think could transform into acceptance. Another one if seen is the “whatabout” American owners, which just isn’t the same and a poor comparison.

I accept that the Ashley protests were about being able to financially compete. The central issue most WHU fans with the current ownership, amongst many, is the perception about expenditure. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t protest a new owner for other reasons. And even if it is just a symbolic protest, it makes a point, and demonstrates a commitment to wider inclusivity etc


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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I’m not encouraging anybody to turn their back on the club, or anything like that. There is something in most top club’s history that some of the fans will at best to a blind eye to and at worst be apologists for.

I suppose, in this instance, I have been intrigued by some of the responses I have seen, which includes the schoolroom jibe of “they’re just jealous”, which is an attitude of the apologist, to the “what can we do about it”. The latter view is not that of the apologist, but a sign of a blind spot, which I think could transform into acceptance. Another one if seen is the “whatabout” American owners, which just isn’t the same and a poor comparison.

I accept that the Ashley protests were about being able to financially compete. The central issue most WHU fans with the current ownership, amongst many, is the perception about expenditure. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t protest a new owner for other reasons. And even if it is just a symbolic protest, it makes a point, and demonstrates a commitment to wider inclusivity etc

And I'd imagine Newcastle fans will protest over others reasons too.

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So... stoning gay people at half time or what's the story?
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This lockdown has gone on too long! I'm in agreement with Hetfield here.
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I support Leeds in England, granted I'm not hardcore but I get over to matches occasionally and have followed them since I was a kid. There's no way I would continue to support them if the Saudi regime took over. 
Even aside from the vast ethical arguments, you won't be experiencing organic success. Same as PSG/ City etc, the club as you know will cease to exist. Winning by virtue of having an endless supply of cash. Where's the fun in that? 
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I’m not encouraging anybody to turn their back on the club, or anything like that. There is something in most top club’s history that some of the fans will at best to a blind eye to and at worst be apologists for.

I suppose, in this instance, I have been intrigued by some of the responses I have seen, which includes the schoolroom jibe of “they’re just jealous”, which is an attitude of the apologist, to the “what can we do about it”. The latter view is not that of the apologist, but a sign of a blind spot, which I think could transform into acceptance. Another one if seen is the “whatabout” American owners, which just isn’t the same and a poor comparison.

I accept that the Ashley protests were about being able to financially compete. The central issue most WHU fans with the current ownership, amongst many, is the perception about expenditure. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t protest a new owner for other reasons. And even if it is just a symbolic protest, it makes a point, and demonstrates a commitment to wider inclusivity etc

And I'd imagine Newcastle fans will protest over others reasons too.


I’m sure they will. But I am a little concerned by the narrative that “what can the fans do”, when Newcastle have been very vocal about “getting their club back”. These are contradictory because if fans are helpless then there is no hope for them “getting their club back” as it accepts that it is a club in name only and there is a distinction between the corporate and the personal, which means it’s not actually a club.

I just feel it’s a refuge for fans who see the potential for massive gains on the pitch, while overlooking some crucial issues.
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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

So... stoning gay people at half time or what's the story?

LOL


I wonder what Newcastle Central's MP will make of all of this, a woman with so much hate for Mike Ashley she actually tried to pause the vote on Brexit to try change the debate on ousting him.
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The hunderland obsession with this is predictable,they hadn't got a clue what Saudia Arabia was last week LOL never mind where it is.

At this stage i honestly couldn't give a bollocks who takes over as long as that greedy pig is out !
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Originally posted by Salzburglilly Salzburglilly wrote:

The hunderland obsession with this is predictable,they hadn't got a clue what Saudia Arabia was last week LOL never mind where it is.

At this stage i honestly couldn't give a bollocks who takes over as long as that greedy pig is out !

I've used that joke already get your own Tongue


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I support Leeds in England, granted I'm not hardcore but I get over to matches occasionally and have followed them since I was a kid. There's no way I would continue to support them if the Saudi regime took over. 
Even aside from the vast ethical arguments, you won't be experiencing organic success. Same as PSG/ City etc, the club as you know will cease to exist. Winning by virtue of having an endless supply of cash. Where's the fun in that? 

Organic growth? It’s the Premier League and it’s the year 2020. How can any team grow “organically”? I don’t know what planet you’re on but I’m glad I’m not on it.

The only way to survive in modern sport is to throw mountains of cash at it. There is simply no other way.
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What's this 'cans' sh*te about on Twitter? Geordie coming across terribly during this, but hardly surprising either. Always been massively overrated as supporters.
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