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Connolly and Obafemi would obviously both be in the squad if they were fit and firing but it's unrealistic to expect them to be called up in this window given the optics.

Even so, with Ferguson, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott and Johnston certs and Keane the leading Irish scorer in the Championship, only the most disingenuous observer would think Robinson should be anywhere in the frame given his consistently poor performances at club level for several seasons (to the point his own manager has criticised him at Cardiff) and intl level (where he has been, largely, abysmal, save for a brief goal spree against some of the worst sides in intl football).

Need to be moving past Duffy, Brady, Robinson and O'Dowda now. Especially given that none of them are central midfielders.
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Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Connolly and Obafemi would obviously both be in the squad if they were fit and firing but it's unrealistic to expect them to be called up in this window given the optics.

Even so, with Ferguson, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott and Johnston certs and Keane the leading Irish scorer in the Championship, only the most disingenuous observer would think Robinson should be anywhere in the frame given his consistently poor performances at club level for several seasons (to the point his own manager has criticised him at Cardiff) and intl level (where he has been, largely, abysmal, save for a brief goal spree against some of the worst sides in intl football).

Need to be moving past Duffy, Brady, Robinson and O'Dowda now. Especially given that none of them are central midfielders.

Calm down Hotlips, we've been through all this before. 11 G/A in 1500 mins of football last year for Cardiff, Irelands best attacking player from 2018-2022 with 9 goals in 37 games - a virtually identical record to Clinton Morrison. If he's fit and firing, he's in the discussion.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Connolly and Obafemi would obviously both be in the squad if they were fit and firing but it's unrealistic to expect them to be called up in this window given the optics.

Even so, with Ferguson, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott and Johnston certs and Keane the leading Irish scorer in the Championship, only the most disingenuous observer would think Robinson should be anywhere in the frame given his consistently poor performances at club level for several seasons (to the point his own manager has criticised him at Cardiff) and intl level (where he has been, largely, abysmal, save for a brief goal spree against some of the worst sides in intl football).

Need to be moving past Duffy, Brady, Robinson and O'Dowda now. Especially given that none of them are central midfielders.

Calm down Hotlips, we've been through all this before. 11 G/A in 1500 mins of football last year for Cardiff, Irelands best attacking player from 2018-2022 with 9 goals in 37 games - a virtually identical record to Clinton Morrison. If he's fit and firing, he's in the discussion.
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A goal involvement every 136 minutes for an attacking player is hardly worthy of an international call up ffs
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Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Connolly and Obafemi would obviously both be in the squad if they were fit and firing but it's unrealistic to expect them to be called up in this window given the optics.

Even so, with Ferguson, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott and Johnston certs and Keane the leading Irish scorer in the Championship, only the most disingenuous observer would think Robinson should be anywhere in the frame given his consistently poor performances at club level for several seasons (to the point his own manager has criticised him at Cardiff) and intl level (where he has been, largely, abysmal, save for a brief goal spree against some of the worst sides in intl football).

Need to be moving past Duffy, Brady, Robinson and O'Dowda now. Especially given that none of them are central midfielders.

Calm down Hotlips, we've been through all this before. 11 G/A in 1500 mins of football last year for Cardiff, Irelands best attacking player from 2018-2022 with 9 goals in 37 games - a virtually identical record to Clinton Morrison. If he's fit and firing, he's in the discussion.
If my aunt had balls…..

A goal involvement every 136 minutes for an attacking player is hardly worthy of an international call up ffs
He's been either unfit or on the bench for over a year now and scored f all goals along with being criticised by his club manager for his performances. Yet he's in the discussion with Szmodics, Keane, Ferguson, Ogbene, Johnston, Connolly, Idah and Obafemi apparently just because he scored a few goals against Qatar, NZ and Azerbaijan a few years ago. LOL.

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Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Connolly and Obafemi would obviously both be in the squad if they were fit and firing but it's unrealistic to expect them to be called up in this window given the optics.

Even so, with Ferguson, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott and Johnston certs and Keane the leading Irish scorer in the Championship, only the most disingenuous observer would think Robinson should be anywhere in the frame given his consistently poor performances at club level for several seasons (to the point his own manager has criticised him at Cardiff) and intl level (where he has been, largely, abysmal, save for a brief goal spree against some of the worst sides in intl football).

Need to be moving past Duffy, Brady, Robinson and O'Dowda now. Especially given that none of them are central midfielders.

Calm down Hotlips, we've been through all this before. 11 G/A in 1500 mins of football last year for Cardiff, Irelands best attacking player from 2018-2022 with 9 goals in 37 games - a virtually identical record to Clinton Morrison. If he's fit and firing, he's in the discussion.
If my aunt had balls…..

A goal involvement every 136 minutes for an attacking player is hardly worthy of an international call up ffs

I'm guessing you aren't familiar with average goal involvement numbers if you don't think one every 136 minutes is impressive LOL
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Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by razzmatazaz razzmatazaz wrote:

Connolly and Obafemi would obviously both be in the squad if they were fit and firing but it's unrealistic to expect them to be called up in this window given the optics.

Even so, with Ferguson, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott and Johnston certs and Keane the leading Irish scorer in the Championship, only the most disingenuous observer would think Robinson should be anywhere in the frame given his consistently poor performances at club level for several seasons (to the point his own manager has criticised him at Cardiff) and intl level (where he has been, largely, abysmal, save for a brief goal spree against some of the worst sides in intl football).

Need to be moving past Duffy, Brady, Robinson and O'Dowda now. Especially given that none of them are central midfielders.

Calm down Hotlips, we've been through all this before. 11 G/A in 1500 mins of football last year for Cardiff, Irelands best attacking player from 2018-2022 with 9 goals in 37 games - a virtually identical record to Clinton Morrison. If he's fit and firing, he's in the discussion.
If my aunt had balls…..

A goal involvement every 136 minutes for an attacking player is hardly worthy of an international call up ffs
He's been either unfit or on the bench for over a year now and scored f all goals along with being criticised by his club manager for his performances. Yet he's in the discussion with Szmodics, Keane, Ferguson, Ogbene, Johnston, Connolly, Idah and Obafemi apparently just because he scored a few goals against Qatar, NZ and Azerbaijan a few years ago. LOL.

Lol away, you'll be banned and onto your next profile in no time, and Robinson will continue to feature in Ireland squads despite your tears.
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Duffy confirmed out injured until after the International Break.

Other injuries:
Egan, Lenihan, Molumby, Robinson, McNally

Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

I hadn't intended to include Hodge, I'd have him in to get a look at him. I don't necessarily think that we're building for the next four years or that includes blooding a large number of young players that dont warrant a call up. The new manager, whenever that will be, will want a core group of players and stick with that, especially as we have quite a young team as it is. I have no issues with calling players up who deserve it but a large number you listed above should be nowhere near a squad. 


We are absolutely building for the next 4 years. All the noise around the new manager is about a 4 year project. There's no real expectation to qualify for the WC, that's because the age profile of the squad is not where it needs to be now. But in 3-4 years the bulk of the squad will be in their prime (25-30). I'll add the age breakdown of the squad to the 1st post.

As for "young players that don't warrant a call up". It's unavoidable. The senior player pool has holes in it, and the Heir Apparents are all U23s.

Big nations can afford to wait around until players have worked themselves up to a high level before capping them. Because they have big talent pools at every age level.

Small countries can't afford to use that strategy if they want to be successful. Too much can go wrong for a player that slows down/stalls their progress at club level, so we need to be proactive to help them out.

It takes 15-20 caps for a player to settle in to international football (according to many ex-pros), that's the guts of 2-4 years (10-12 games a year, most players won't play every game, & there might be injuries too).
If you wait for players to get to a certain level before capping them you often run into the problem of the player already ageing out of their prime by the time they hit that 20cap mark (Stevens, Egan, Doherty are examples of this).

Early ID of talent and moving those players up the age groups as quickly as possible is essential. You get them training/playing with better players, under better coaches which helps their development. Good performances at international level can help them get upward moves in their club careers earlier than they otherwise would (Bazunu & Ogbene are clear examples of this).

Kenny started doing this when he took over the U21s and then seniors. I think it can be pushed further.

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Just came on here to comment and seen your last comment, Greenie. I was coming on to comment about O'Shea saying there's not going to be too many new faces as he wants to keep consistency in the squad. I think this will be the view of the next manager also. We're going to see Szmodics, and possibly O'Brien/Azaz come on board. The likes of Lawal/Armstrong/McAteer/Harness/Coventry/Taylor/Connell/Adeeko/McNulty/ Adaramola/Bagan/Furlong/Key/McLoughlin and a few others mentioned won't be near any squad now or in the near future and shouldn't be at this time(in my opinion). There would be zero benefits to bringing any of the above into the senior squad. 

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A few rumors online about a leaked squad and supposedly a few shockers in it. 
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Who could the shockers be? Cannon? McClean back?
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

A few rumors online about a leaked squad and supposedly a few shockers in it. 


Declan Rice included?
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I can't see there being shockers in a good way?


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

A few rumors online about a leaked squad and supposedly a few shockers in it. 


Declan Rice included?

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Hendrick, McClean, O'Dowda, Stevens, Hogan, Hourihane, James Collins LOL

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The next manager will be the want to be the one who caps the likes of O'Brien, Azaz and Szmodics if possible, which would make you worried about how boring the potential squad will be for these two friendlies.
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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Who could the shockers be? Cannon? McClean back?
Could be the opposite and have no new faces. It also could be a load of bullsh**t..
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

A few rumors online about a leaked squad and supposedly a few shockers in it. 
I've seen 1 tweet about a leaked squad with no details.

Pinch of salt stuff.

We'll find out in a few hours but there'll probably be a few uncapped players you'd imagine 
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