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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Yeah Deise, I haven't looked at the papers but I assume they are all building Saracens up to cover Munster's clear faults.

I hope you took that 3-1 Rossie, Leinster look awful too and in big trouble here.


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What was the handicap? 4 points?

Edit: Clermont have it anyway.


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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

What was the handicap? 4 points?

Edit: Clermont have it anyway.



Yeah both SF were 4 points .

Happy with that.Clermont shouldnt have let Leinster back in but ended well for me

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The whole momentum of the match swung on that piece of idiocy by Dan Leavy, a piece of idiocy that the king of the idiots, Stuart Barnes, was trying to say was clever in commentary. It was so blatantly obvious that he was never going to get away with it, in fact it should have been a yellow card, and was totally unnecessary as Leinster were well on top at that time and he just handed Clermont 3 points.
It was a decent game though, far better than a lot of the tripe that passes as rugby at the moment. That try from Ringrose was quality. 
It has the makings of a great final.
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

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Have to agree yet all these lads will be talked up constantly by everyone in the media.Every rugby cliché will be thrown about over the next few days to describe what went wrong rather than say they aren't near the level .

Don't think it will in this case, especially as Rassie Erasmus was blunt enough to say '' we aren't good enough & Saracens are 15-20 points a better team than us''. No doubt that prompted some rewrites among the media cheerleaders who were probably focusing on the ''what went wrong'' angle. 

Speaking of lads that are constantly talked up, was reading a few reports, brought on by Warren Gatland's comments of the Lions No 10 situation; for one reason or another, he said the position was up for grabs. For the last 3 years, if not more, we have been reading in the Irish rugby media that Sexton is in a different class & operating on a far higher level than any other out half, and was a shoo in to start the tests. 

Now, it could well be that Warren is talking up Farrell & Biggar etc & letting them think it isn't a done deal so they perform to the max in any other opportunity they get, but whatever his intention, it has spooked our rugby media, who have all forewarned that all of a sudden, Sexton isn't an automatic Lions starter, which is completely contrary to what they have been saying for 3 years. 

Aside from the facts of his recent injury records (it would be a brave man that would bet on him finishing the tour), is this a case of Warren being a fecking oddball, or maybe Jon/Jonny/Johnny/John/Johnathan isn't quite as far ahead of the competition as our own media have made him out to be ?? I wonder......certainly wouldn't be like our lads to talk up a player into something he isn't (big hello to Jamie Heaslip)





 
 
not really in agreement on this. sexton is the best 10 in northern hemisphere. but why would gatland come out and announce a starter for the lions before they've gone on tour? also the fact that it would allow the All Blacks to shape their defence to combat him. there's also the case of what tactics are used. using sexton at 10 will be more beneficial for a running game, whereas gatland might side with Farrell at 10 and play a tighter game where most tackles are made off the first receiver.
 
 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The whole momentum of the match swung on that piece of idiocy by Dan Leavy, a piece of idiocy that the king of the idiots, Stuart Barnes, was trying to say was clever in commentary. It was so blatantly obvious that he was never going to get away with it, in fact it should have been a yellow card, and was totally unnecessary as Leinster were well on top at that time and he just handed Clermont 3 points.
It was a decent game though, far better than a lot of the tripe that passes as rugby at the moment. That try from Ringrose was quality. 
It has the makings of a great final.
 
 
whatever about the decision to reverse that try and for Clermont to convert the penalty, it was the penalty that arrogant owens gave from the restart against nacewa which really swung the momentum. 50/50 ball between strettle and nacewa and he said that nacewa took out the player with the ball in the air; horrendous decision and it was from the lineout that lopez slotted the first of his two drop kicks.
 
definitely think there were quite a few favourable home decisions made yesterday around the ruck. Clermont players given a longer time to hold onto the ball on the ground and they also regularly went off their feet.
a pity for leinster as they would certainly give Saracens a better game than Clermont. Saracens will stroll that final
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Originally posted by alihau41 alihau41 wrote:

Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Originally posted by rossieman rossieman wrote:

 

Have to agree yet all these lads will be talked up constantly by everyone in the media.Every rugby cliché will be thrown about over the next few days to describe what went wrong rather than say they aren't near the level .

Don't think it will in this case, especially as Rassie Erasmus was blunt enough to say '' we aren't good enough & Saracens are 15-20 points a better team than us''. No doubt that prompted some rewrites among the media cheerleaders who were probably focusing on the ''what went wrong'' angle. 

Speaking of lads that are constantly talked up, was reading a few reports, brought on by Warren Gatland's comments of the Lions No 10 situation; for one reason or another, he said the position was up for grabs. For the last 3 years, if not more, we have been reading in the Irish rugby media that Sexton is in a different class & operating on a far higher level than any other out half, and was a shoo in to start the tests. 

Now, it could well be that Warren is talking up Farrell & Biggar etc & letting them think it isn't a done deal so they perform to the max in any other opportunity they get, but whatever his intention, it has spooked our rugby media, who have all forewarned that all of a sudden, Sexton isn't an automatic Lions starter, which is completely contrary to what they have been saying for 3 years. 

Aside from the facts of his recent injury records (it would be a brave man that would bet on him finishing the tour), is this a case of Warren being a fecking oddball, or maybe Jon/Jonny/Johnny/John/Johnathan isn't quite as far ahead of the competition as our own media have made him out to be ?? I wonder......certainly wouldn't be like our lads to talk up a player into something he isn't (big hello to Jamie Heaslip)





 
 
not really in agreement on this. sexton is the best 10 in northern hemisphere. but why would gatland come out and announce a starter for the lions before they've gone on tour? also the fact that it would allow the All Blacks to shape their defence to combat him. there's also the case of what tactics are used. using sexton at 10 will be more beneficial for a running game, whereas gatland might side with Farrell at 10 and play a tighter game where most tackles are made off the first receiver.
 
 

I think his squad selection so far would suggest that's what he's going for. Billy V at 8 and Ben T'eo at centre with North and Williams on the wings would suggest he's going to try 'beat up' NZ. 

Farrell is much more durable for that kind of game and is an outstanding goal kicker - I'd expect up the jumper rugby, bang it up the middle, draw the penalty , 3 points. Repeat. 
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Originally posted by alihau41 alihau41 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The whole momentum of the match swung on that piece of idiocy by Dan Leavy, a piece of idiocy that the king of the idiots, Stuart Barnes, was trying to say was clever in commentary. It was so blatantly obvious that he was never going to get away with it, in fact it should have been a yellow card, and was totally unnecessary as Leinster were well on top at that time and he just handed Clermont 3 points.
It was a decent game though, far better than a lot of the tripe that passes as rugby at the moment. That try from Ringrose was quality. 
It has the makings of a great final.
 
 
whatever about the decision to reverse that try and for Clermont to convert the penalty, it was the penalty that arrogant owens gave from the restart against nacewa which really swung the momentum. 50/50 ball between strettle and nacewa and he said that nacewa took out the player with the ball in the air; horrendous decision and it was from the lineout that lopez slotted the first of his two drop kicks.
 
definitely think there were quite a few favourable home decisions made yesterday around the ruck. Clermont players given a longer time to hold onto the ball on the ground and they also regularly went off their feet.
a pity for leinster as they would certainly give Saracens a better game than Clermont. Saracens will stroll that final
Ha, I actually thought Nacewa knew he had no hope of getting the ball, he wasn't even looking at it, and was lucky not to get a second yellow. 
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Agreed completely Pre M. It was a brain dead error for one so experienced. Clumsy and utterly stupid given the 10 points swing from the disallowed try already had us on the back foot. Leinster's restarts and 22s were poor all day to be honest.

Really feel Leinster left it out there despite getting mangled in the first 30 minutes. Played some fantastic rugby at times and showed real heart to get back into it but silly mistakes and poor game management let Clermont nick it.

Carberry and Ringrose are a joy to watch.

 
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/police-called-welsh-rugby-match-12937157

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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/police-called-welsh-rugby-match-12937157

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check out this one. wales ladies and gentleman. odd place. the commentary is brilliant

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/game-shamed-welsh-rugby-five-12694512
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Can a draw for anything be done these days without taking three months? Just pull the f**king balls out!
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Ireland get Scotland and Japan
New Zealand get the easiest group with South Africa and Italy
England the hardest with France and Argentina
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Ireland get Scotland and Japan
New Zealand get the easiest group with South Africa and Italy
England the hardest with France and Argentina
Australia get Wales and Georgia

Not sure too many will agree with SA/Italy being easier than our draw!
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Great draw for us one of the best we could have got. Can see England not making it out of the pool stages for the second World Cup in a row
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Great draw for us one of the best we could have got. Can see England not making it out of the pool stages for the second World Cup in a row

England are comfortably better than France. And probably Argentina. Don't discount them on a poor showing v Ireland. They are the second best side in the ( admittedly small ) Rugby world at the moment.
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Away from Twickenham though ? given they were top seeds that's a horrible draw for them
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