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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

But sure the premier league us in decline. 

German still the best in the world probably 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

But sure the premier league us in decline. 

German still the best in the world probably 

If you're talking about the quality of the teams, Bayern are arguably the best club in Europe.

But as well as the other German teams being a long way behind Bayern, all the evidence suggests that they're also some way behind their English equivalents.

Take this year's CL: Bayern have topped their group with 5 wins from 5. But while all 4 English teams have now made it through to the knockout stages, Leipzig, Dortmund and Wolfsburg have all failed to do so.

All of which means Germany are going to be even further behind England when the 2021/22 results are added to the UEFA Co-efficient. (Ditto Spain, Italy and France)
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It was sarcasm 
The English has clearly been the best for the last few years now, and rightly so given the money and managers in that league.  Some still won’t admit it and are clinging to their claim that the German league is the best. It was never anywhere near the best. 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

It was sarcasm 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

The English has clearly been the best for the last few years now, and rightly so given the money and managers in that league.  Some still won’t admit it and are clinging to their claim that the German league is the best. It was never anywhere near the best.
Yep. And not only is it the best, but it's pulling away further each year, both financially and quality-wise.

You can see why the big Spamish and Italian clubs are/were desperate for a European Super League - not just for the money, but to rein-in the PL.

And speaking of an ESL, the UK's (former) Sports Minister is presenting a report tomorrow on the governance of football which inter alia is proposing that supporters be given a Golden Share and representation on club boards etc.

This Golden Share could be used to veto certain actions by club owners — specifically "selling the club stadium or permanently relocating it outside of its local area, joining a new competition not affiliated to FIFA, UEFA or the FA, or changing the club badge, the club name or first team home colours."

If all this goes through, imo it has the potential to strengthen the English game generally, including as it does, provision to filter more PL money down to the EFL and below and a reform of the parachute payment system.


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I think the 00's started the rush of the best players to Premier League, bar the Real/Barca players.

This last 5 years or so it's been the influx of the best managers that has brought it to another level. Between Pep, Tuchel, Klopp, Conte (Mourino and Ancelotti last year), Most of the best managers in the world are in PL. Simone probably the main outlier. Pochetino possibly too. Not sure I'd have Zidane top 10 managers in the world.
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Did anyone ever claim that the Bundesliga is the best league in Europe? 

As someone who usually prefers watching the Spanish league to the English league, the English league is more entertaining to watch now than the Spanish league. There’s a massive decline in standard over the past couple of years. Chelsea, City and Liverpool are miles ahead of everyone.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Did anyone ever claim that the Bundesliga is the best league in Europe? 

As someone who usually prefers watching the Spanish league to the English league, the English league is more entertaining to watch now than the Spanish league. There’s a massive decline in standard over the past couple of years. Chelsea, City and Liverpool are miles ahead of everyone.

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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Chelsea, City and Liverpool are miles ahead of everyone.
No doubt.

But with overall standards in the PL continuing to rise, I reckon the next tier of PL clubs are also some way ahead of their continental counterparts.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Chelsea, City and Liverpool are miles ahead of everyone.
No doubt.

But with overall standards in the PL continuing to rise, I reckon the next tier of PL clubs are also some way ahead of their continental counterparts.

And right on cue……Spurs lose to a team from Slovenia who were only formed 11 years ago LOL
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Chelsea, City and Liverpool are miles ahead of everyone.
No doubt.

But with overall standards in the PL continuing to rise, I reckon the next tier of PL clubs are also some way ahead of their continental counterparts.

And right on cue……Spurs lose to a team from Slovenia who were only formed 11 years ago LOL

And where did I claim Spurs are in "the next tier" of PL clubs?

It's going to take Conte at least two months to drag us up to that level... Wink
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Chelsea, City and Liverpool are miles ahead of everyone.
No doubt.

But with overall standards in the PL continuing to rise, I reckon the next tier of PL clubs are also some way ahead of their continental counterparts.
If there wasn't the drop in of teams from Champions LEague I reckon West Ham and Leicester would be the favorites for Europa League 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

It was sarcasm 
The English has clearly been the best for the last few years now, and rightly so given the money and managers in that league.  Some still won’t admit it and are clinging to their claim that the German league is the best. It was never anywhere near the best. 

Are you mistaking Germany with Spain? 
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

It was sarcasm 
The English has clearly been the best for the last few years now, and rightly so given the money and managers in that league.  Some still won’t admit it and are clinging to their claim that the German league is the best. It was never anywhere near the best. 

Are you mistaking Germany with Spain? 

No

No-one in the last few years is seriously claiming that about La Liga
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