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But you never comment on it. You only criticize and your very quick off the mark highlighting his mistakes but turn a blind eye to other players mistakes.

(I didn't think it was McClean's man for the goal against Andorra.)

His crossing was poor in the Andorra 1st half, he had a decent second half, part of this issue was he was forced to cross as Hourihane failed to make himself available. He's also returning from a spell on the sidelines so wouldn't be as match fit as others.

I thought he played well last night, worked hard, provided defensive cover and defended well, he put in a number of good crosses into box too.

Both Cullen and Hourihane showed a lot more for the ball in last nights game too, which helped the 2 wing backs.

If you compare with Doherty, who at club level, is a far superior player, how many good crosses did put in? I don't recall.



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Cmon horse, he lost his man for the Andorra goal. Defensively he's been very good but that was a miss on mccleans part.

I would agree he was more effective than Doherty on the other side. 

Mcclean has 80 odd caps for ireland so is one of the most experienced players on the pitch by a long way. But he can be a very frustrating player with the ball.

He'll run through a brick wall to get the ball and then balloon a cross over the goal. 

Hes the hardest working player in the team and I would have him in the left back position against Portugal all day long, but the guy can be a frustrating player to watch.

But you are right that I should highlight the very good stuff he brings to the team more.
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The general consensus is that he played well and you just want to focus on the negative aspects.

His crossing was decent last night. I rewatched the Andorra game and your right he did lost his man, are you going to be like a dog with a bone now for the next 3 months highlighting this?


     
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I haven’t been a fan of McCleans performances but he was good yesterday. Made a few defensive challenge and put some dangerous crosses in. Mixed in with his usual commitment and effort, he was impressive overall. 
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:


I haven’t been a fan of McCleans performances but he was good yesterday. Made a few defensive challenge and put some dangerous crosses in. Mixed in with his usual commitment and effort, he was impressive overall. 
I’m far from a fan of his either. I admire his commitment for us and how hard he works but that hasn’t been of much use to us since the 2018 World Cup qualifiers. In saying that he was better yesterday his crossing was much better and he made a great tackle during the first half. In saying that there was a time during the Andorra game where he didn’t beat the first man with 3 crosses in a row. Left wing back could suit him going forward.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

I think it was one of McClean's best performances in awhile and he did put in a few decent crosses I thought. He was excellent defensively. 

That wing back role is made for him and he's one of the best Irish players I've ever seen for stamina. 

Stevens has never played that well for Ireland imo and I would definitely start McClean away to Portugal given the amount of sustained pressure we'll be under. Wing back is McClean's position to lose imo. 
 
Would agree with all that. He performed better in that role last night than Stevens ever has for us.

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Realistically, this is McClean's last campaign with Ireland, and we have no obvious left back ready to take over. Could do with establishing someone over the next 18 months. 

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[QUOTE=horsebox]The general consensus is that he played well and you just want to focus on the negative aspects.

His crossing was decent last night. I rewatched the Andorra game and your right he did lost his man, are you going to be like a dog with a bone now for the next 3 months highlighting this?


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If I do bring it up Horse, I'll be sure to caveat it with the fact that he was otherwise solid every other minute defensively over the two games, which he was. 
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You have to put into perspective that in the current managerial set up the players are actually being coached propperly, you can't read too much in the Mick McCarthys second reign as his job description is different to Stephen Kenny's but I'd love to know from a player prospective which was the more beneficial training camps, the week in Antalya under MON and Roy, or the past week in Girona under Kenny.  IMO our national side havn't been coached in decades.
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McClean put in a great cross that Duffy was close to getting on the end of last night. Also started the attack where Horgan superbly set up Idah. He was also more defensively solid than Doherty. This was an improvement.

Parrott and Idah didn't really work out as a two. Idah was really struggling to assert himself while Parrott tried harder to get involved and won a few frees in decent positions. IDK what he was thinking trying to take the ball around a defender with the experience and nous of Orban, though, seeing as he's not exactly endowed with explosive pace. Idah improved when Horgan and Knight were playing either side, and Knight in particular was constantly leading the charge on attacks.

Hourihane lazily gave the ball away in the opening moments and it didn't get much better from there - even his free kicks were atrocious. I don't think anyone else offers a drastic improvement on him to be frankly honest. Molumby is more mobile but he's as unsophisticated as they come, with his kicking the corner flag routine and running battle with a Hungary player after getting muscled off the ball summing him up quite well; Arter, of course, is little better. I think some people are getting a bit of a reality check re: Cullen. He's a decent option to sit in front of the defense but he's not any more adventurous than Whelan was and some of his passes out of defense are comical. I just feel that their aggression, athleticism and mobility alone simply make them better options than Hourihane, and importantly, they compliment each other better when he's off the pitch as evidenced last night. It's important to mention, though, that Hourihane played two playoff games with Swansea and was probably absolutely knackered.

Shane Duffy was uncharacteristically expansive with his passing, using the ball well, and he looked dangerous on set pieces while making a vital interception in our own box. One dodgy moment aside where Doherty put him under pressure and Duffy and O'Shea were careless in trying to clear their lines. Egan was very unlucky not to score but had a few dodgy moments demonstrative of his domestic struggles this season. O'Shea very composed in bringing the ball out of defense but can look nervy when there are loose balls in the box.

Bazunu keeps a first clean sheet for us, which is badly needed for him. Kelleher outdid Bazunu's first half save with a string of saves of his own in the second half, demonstrating incredibly quick and instinctive reflexes. He oozes composure, like Randolph, and I would be confident with him in goal in September. I still maintain we would've went home with a point with either him or Randolph in goal against Serbia.

Horgan helped to change the game and settle us down and it's no coincidence that the 60-80th minute of the game immediately after he came on was our best spell in the game.

I would've liked to see more of Ogbene. He got himself into great positions and offered something different with his pace. Did superbly to tee up the second chance he was involved in. I don't think he's going to be any more composed in front of goal than any of our other attacking players based on his first chance, though.

Overall, decent game management by Kenny and signs of green shoots.

Why was Sean Hughes from Never Mind the Buzzcocks the referee, though? I thought he was dead.
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Didn’t know Sean Hughes is dead!

Loved to see Knight, Parrott, Horgan, Molumby, and Ogbene get the bit between their teeth and stake a claim. Very good showings full or enthusiasm. Of the old school, Duffy and McClean also led by example and showed a determination that was very encouraging.

Hourihane does not look the part, I’m afraid. Too passive alongside Cullen. 

Idah really started to show something in the second half. Self belief coming through. Key season for him.
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I would have liked to see how Jack Byrne would have fitted in had he been fit to play.
Would anyone vote for a midfield of Cullen and Knight with Byrne ahead of them?
I've seen very little of Byrne playing so looking for more realistic opinions.
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:


Idah really started to show something in the second half. Self belief coming through. Key season for him.

Key season is right. Key season for a lot of our younger players. We really need them playing every week for their clubs, even it means dropping a level.

This training camp seemed to be very beneficial for Kenny and the players. Maybe Kennys luck is finally starting to turn, he deserves a bit of luck after everything thrown at him since he took over.


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Some good analysis here.

Knight and McClean being 2 key players. 
     
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Could the perceived improvement in form in the team be partly explained by Anthony Barry's presence as assistant coach? Interesting to hear John Egan and other lavish praise on him.
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Could the perceived improvement in form in the team be partly explained by Anthony Barry's presence as assistant coach? Interesting to hear John Egan and other lavish praise on him.
 
I had been wondering about this also. Have only ever heard glowing reports in relation to him so hopefully he's having an impact alright.

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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Could the perceived improvement in form in the team be partly explained by Anthony Barry's presence as assistant coach? Interesting to hear John Egan and other lavish praise on him.
 
I had been wondering about this also. Have only ever heard glowing reports in relation to him so hopefully he's having an impact alright.

It would make sense. He has just been involved in coaching the winners of the Champion's League. That is seriously impressive stuff and any Irish player is going to have respect for him.
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