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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stoked Up Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2013 at 3:05pm
Yep. Most Stoke fans will be happy with the news, but likely less so, will some of the Irish contingent at the club.

I think Pulis did a fine job, getting Stoke to a cup final, did well in Europe and comfortably kept Stoke in the premier league.
He's gone at the right time too, to enable whoever the new manager time to set the club up the way he wants and get in some different players.


Di Matteo the early favourite for the job.


Edit: Benitez now favourite. I guess it doesn't take much money for Bookies to drop their prices on speciality bets such as these, where inside info could have a huge bearing and also given that Stoke are owned by a betting firm's family...


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pulis did well, 5 years in the premier league. the begrudging stoke fans that booed him have short memories. you'd have thought he deserved to be offered a role at the club.
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Tony Pulis more or less only signed British players or players from Britain. In total, he signed five players from abroad who were not British (thus discounting Jermaine Pennant):

Diego Arismendi (from Uruguay): never appeared in a premier league game at Stoke (two Europa League starts, two substitute Europa League appearances, over four seasons)
Brek Shea (from USA): never started a game at Stoke (two substitute premier league appearances, over half a season)
Eidur Gudjohnsen (from France): never started a game at Stoke (four substitute premier league appearances, one substitute app in the league cup, over half a season)
Smajl Suljevic (from Sweden): never played a minute for Stoke
Geoff Cameron (from USA): the single success story, 32 starts, 6 sub appearances.

For a Premier League manager to have such a poor scouting network / worldview defies belief. Even the one success story came in speaking fluent English, as did Eidur Gudjohnsen. Compared to say Moyes at Everton (with the likes of Fellaini, Mirallas and Pienaar being the success stories), Roberto Martinez at Wigan (too many to mention) or anyone at Swansea (Michu anyone?), Pulis's record is absolutely abysmal.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Tony Pulis more or less only signed British players or players from Britain. In total, he signed five players from abroad who were not British (thus discounting Jermaine Pennant):

Diego Arismendi (from Uruguay): never appeared in a premier league game at Stoke (two Europa League starts, two substitute Europa League appearances, over four seasons)
Brek Shea (from USA): never started a game at Stoke (two substitute premier league appearances, over half a season)
Eidur Gudjohnsen (from France): never started a game at Stoke (four substitute premier league appearances, one substitute app in the league cup, over half a season)
Smajl Suljevic (from Sweden): never played a minute for Stoke
Geoff Cameron (from USA): the single success story, 32 starts, 6 sub appearances.

For a Premier League manager to have such a poor scouting network / worldview defies belief. Even the one success story came in speaking fluent English, as did Eidur Gudjohnsen. Compared to say Moyes at Everton (with the likes of Fellaini, Mirallas and Pienaar being the success stories), Roberto Martinez at Wigan (too many to mention) or anyone at Swansea (Michu anyone?), Pulis's record is absolutely abysmal.
 
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

 Pulis's record is absolutely abysmal.

His transfer record you might question, some signings and money spent on certain buys, but the bottom line is 5 years in the premier league for stoke, that is an acheivement......look at the years preceding him. 
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End of an era and some real mixed emotions. Will never be able to thank Pulis enough for ending the years & years of sh*te and turning us into a solid premier league team. Add to that an FA cup final and a tour of europe and you have the best few years of my life supporting stoke. However the time is right for him to go as the past 18 months in particular has been truly painful. A bad start next season would have seen ugly scenes at the Brit and the thought of another season of his brand of football in all honestly depressed me.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Tony Pulis more or less only signed British players or players from Britain. In total, he signed five players from abroad who were not British (thus discounting Jermaine Pennant):

Diego Arismendi (from Uruguay): never appeared in a premier league game at Stoke (two Europa League starts, two substitute Europa League appearances, over four seasons)
Brek Shea (from USA): never started a game at Stoke (two substitute premier league appearances, over half a season)
Eidur Gudjohnsen (from France): never started a game at Stoke (four substitute premier league appearances, one substitute app in the league cup, over half a season)
Smajl Suljevic (from Sweden): never played a minute for Stoke
Geoff Cameron (from USA): the single success story, 32 starts, 6 sub appearances.

For a Premier League manager to have such a poor scouting network / worldview defies belief. Even the one success story came in speaking fluent English, as did Eidur Gudjohnsen. Compared to say Moyes at Everton (with the likes of Fellaini, Mirallas and Pienaar being the success stories), Roberto Martinez at Wigan (too many to mention) or anyone at Swansea (Michu anyone?), Pulis's record is absolutely abysmal.


I thought a manager was judged on his results and not where he signed his players from.     What difference does it make where the players he signed came from if they got good results within the budget he was given.   So now he is being harshly compared to a manager who relegated his club when Pulis did not get relegated from the premier league with Stoke.  


Football is really becoming mad with fashions and fads and all sorts. At the end of the day his record at Stoke stands up to scrutiny.  


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Who are they getting in? Seems a strange reaction to a bad run of form
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Tony Pulis more or less only signed British players or players from Britain. In total, he signed five players from abroad who were not British (thus discounting Jermaine Pennant):

Diego Arismendi (from Uruguay): never appeared in a premier league game at Stoke (two Europa League starts, two substitute Europa League appearances, over four seasons)
Brek Shea (from USA): never started a game at Stoke (two substitute premier league appearances, over half a season)
Eidur Gudjohnsen (from France): never started a game at Stoke (four substitute premier league appearances, one substitute app in the league cup, over half a season)
Smajl Suljevic (from Sweden): never played a minute for Stoke
Geoff Cameron (from USA): the single success story, 32 starts, 6 sub appearances.

For a Premier League manager to have such a poor scouting network / worldview defies belief. Even the one success story came in speaking fluent English, as did Eidur Gudjohnsen. Compared to say Moyes at Everton (with the likes of Fellaini, Mirallas and Pienaar being the success stories), Roberto Martinez at Wigan (too many to mention) or anyone at Swansea (Michu anyone?), Pulis's record is absolutely abysmal.


I thought a manager was judged on his results and not where he signed his players from.     What difference does it make where the players he signed came from if they got good results within the budget he was given.   So now he is being harshly compared to a manager who relegated his club when Pulis did not get relegated from the premier league with Stoke.  


Football is really becoming mad with fashions and fads and all sorts. At the end of the day his record at Stoke stands up to scrutiny.  


Of course, you need to judge a manager on results and the standard of football that is played, but for a manager to not be signing players from abroad, in particular in an era when you are charged a premium for signing English players (owing to player development regulations), it is at the very least a waste of resources to be spending money on English players only and not to have a reasonable scouting network, especially when you consider the quality and value that the likes of Pardew, Moyes, Martinez and Laudrup have identified. He has spent a lot of money (more than most of the clubs around him) and doesn't have a lot to show for it (albeit five years in the Premier League is quite an achievement for a club of that size).

If you look at the respective amounts spent by Stoke (circa £80m) and Wigan (£50 to £60m) over the last five seasons, not to mention the amount raised in sales on Wigan's behalf (certainly a lot more than Stoke, thinking of Valencia, Moses, Palacios, Cattermole, N'Zogbia and the fees they attracted), for Stoke to finish only six points above Wigan (regardless of the fact Wigan were relegated), then I think it is a fair comparison and that Wigan come out of the comparison better (albeit of course Martinez was only the manager for the last four seasons, not five). Now, I'm not saying Pulis should have been let go, and maybe the use of the word "abysmal" was a bit harsh (it was clear I was only talking about his international transfer policy) but his record certainly wasn't flawless. I think he could have got better players and played better football within the same budget if only he was prepared to widen his horizons and scouting when it came to player recruitment.
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Well they are in talks with Mark Hughes.
 
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Mark Hughes? LOL

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If they have got rid of Pulis for Hughes then they deserve their upcoming relegation. Anyone got odds on next years relegation handy?
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hughes made some shocking sigings at qpr, after being heavily backed by the board. i'd be worried if i were a stoke city fan
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I will be seriously p*ssed off if Mark Hughes is given the job cannot stand the man
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Originally posted by irish_stokey irish_stokey wrote:

I will be seriously p*ssed off if Mark Hughes is given the job cannot stand the man
 
 
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Hughes to be confirmed today


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I wouldn't give him a penny to spend. They'd be better off getting a director of football for signings. 
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