You Boys in Green Homepage YBIG Shop
Forum Home Forum Home : International : Republic Of Ireland
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Stephen Kenny
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Stephen Kenny

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 417418419
Author
Message
E2016 View Drop Down
Davey Langan
Davey Langan


Joined: 13 Jan 2016
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 816
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote E2016 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 10:47am
The wages one was a bollocks point. 

I dont think there can be any real issue with people wanting results. Especially against some of the teams we have played. He needs to win more games than he has done, that cant be under question - putting 2 wins together is very promising going forward, now we need to see it backed up.

The performances one is a lot more nuanced. It isn't black and white. 
Stephen kenny promised good football so it is something to hold him accountable for when it isnt happening. However against good teams then the performance isnt really important if we are getting a result. 

A lot of this comes back to a comment about Serbia and someone saying we played well in it. We didnt. I was happy with the result v Serbia - it's not something to be critical of the manager for. But rewriting it as saying we played well when we didnt, is something that happens a lot here. It's fine that we didnt play that well, we got a result and that was the most important thing. We showed good characteristics such as doggedness and resiliance. 

It is going around in circles though, I'm part of that and I agree - for my part I'll wait until after the next set of games for more comment. At that point he will have had the full campaign and it will be a good time to evaluate him.

Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
TooOldForThis View Drop Down
Ronnie Whelan
Ronnie Whelan
Avatar

Joined: 07 Sep 2020
Status: Online
Points: 94
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TooOldForThis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 11:10am
Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

The wages one was a bollocks point. 

I dont think there can be any real issue with people wanting results. Especially against some of the teams we have played. He needs to win more games than he has done, that cant be under question - putting 2 wins together is very promising going forward, now we need to see it backed up.

The performances one is a lot more nuanced. It isn't black and white. 
Stephen kenny promised good football so it is something to hold him accountable for when it isnt happening. However against good teams then the performance isnt really important if we are getting a result. 

A lot of this comes back to a comment about Serbia and someone saying we played well in it. We didnt. I was happy with the result v Serbia - it's not something to be critical of the manager for. But rewriting it as saying we played well when we didnt, is something that happens a lot here. It's fine that we didnt play that well, we got a result and that was the most important thing. We showed good characteristics such as doggedness and resiliance. 

It is going around in circles though, I'm part of that and I agree - for my part I'll wait until after the next set of games for more comment. At that point he will have had the full campaign and it will be a good time to evaluate him.

Apparently though, waiting until the end of the campaign before assessing SK, is a dastardly ploy by the Kenny out brigade (i.e. the 20%), because they hope we lose to Luxembourg and ensuring his exit!
Back to Top
Mr. Snrub View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady
Avatar

Joined: 12 Mar 2016
Location: Co. Dublin
Status: Offline
Points: 1206
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mr. Snrub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 11:15am
If you look at the campaign as whole we've performed ok in the majority of games. We were unlucky in Serbia, 1-0 up and denied a clear cut penalty. Travers was then caught out from Mitrovic and Clark was poor that night but overall we deserved a point. The Luxembourg game was admittedly very poor where we passed the ball around the back with zero conviction going forward. I still think a point was probably the fair result. This game was the turning point for Kenny. Performances started to improve over the summer as new players McGrath, Kelleher, Bazunu, Ogbene, Parrott, Omobamidele and formations were implemented. We knocked 4 past Andorra and should have beaten Hungary in the following fixture.

Portugal away was the match where Kenny's bravery and tactical nous came to the fore. Let's face it, we were robbed of another penalty and deserved at least a draw that night. We caused them a lot of problems to be undone by one of the greatest players of all time. Azerbijan at home was a disappointing night where we struggled to break down 10 men behind the ball. Despite having plenty of chances we couldn't find the net. We rode our luck against Serbia but spirit, dogedness and a brilliant Bazunu display earned us a point.

Last week was the real turning point where we finally looked like a team creating numerous chances from open play as well as being dangerous from set pieces. Hendrick, Duffy & McClean are playing their best stuff for Ireland in years. Cullen has been the real find of the campaign along with Robinson, McGrath, Omobamidele & Bazunu. The football was a joy to watch at times albeit against lesser opposition (Qatar are Asian champions mind you) and the other night felt like a buzz was back in the Aviva. Kenny hasn't had much luck so far with injuries, COVID positives and no fans over his 18 month tenure. Hopefully that luck is turning and we need to follow it up with 2 big performances next month. There has clearly been a massive overhaul on the training pitch and with Dean Kiely & Anthony Barry having positive influences. This follows years of no tactics, bogball and a lack of creativity. Let's go and finish 3rd, ybig!
"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
Back to Top
Claret Murph View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane
Avatar
Hmmm, Goodness, I must say

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
Location: Tibet
Status: Offline
Points: 14179
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Claret Murph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

The wages one was a bollocks point. 

I dont think there can be any real issue with people wanting results. Especially against some of the teams we have played. He needs to win more games than he has done, that cant be under question - putting 2 wins together is very promising going forward, now we need to see it backed up.

The performances one is a lot more nuanced. It isn't black and white. 
Stephen kenny promised good football so it is something to hold him accountable for when it isnt happening. However against good teams then the performance isnt really important if we are getting a result. 

A lot of this comes back to a comment about Serbia and someone saying we played well in it. We didnt. I was happy with the result v Serbia - it's not something to be critical of the manager for. But rewriting it as saying we played well when we didnt, is something that happens a lot here. It's fine that we didnt play that well, we got a result and that was the most important thing. We showed good characteristics such as doggedness and resiliance. 

It is going around in circles though, I'm part of that and I agree - for my part I'll wait until after the next set of games for more comment. At that point he will have had the full campaign and it will be a good time to evaluate him.

Apparently though, waiting until the end of the campaign before assessing SK, is a dastardly ploy by the Kenny out brigade (i.e. the 20%), because they hope we lose to Luxembourg and ensuring his exit!
How many people have told you that they hope Ireland lose so Kenny will be sacked ?
 
To say i am not a Kenny fan would be a understatement , but i hope he wins every game while he is in charge of Ireland .
Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days .
Back to Top
TooOldForThis View Drop Down
Ronnie Whelan
Ronnie Whelan
Avatar

Joined: 07 Sep 2020
Status: Online
Points: 94
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TooOldForThis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

The wages one was a bollocks point. 

I dont think there can be any real issue with people wanting results. Especially against some of the teams we have played. He needs to win more games than he has done, that cant be under question - putting 2 wins together is very promising going forward, now we need to see it backed up.

The performances one is a lot more nuanced. It isn't black and white. 
Stephen kenny promised good football so it is something to hold him accountable for when it isnt happening. However against good teams then the performance isnt really important if we are getting a result. 

A lot of this comes back to a comment about Serbia and someone saying we played well in it. We didnt. I was happy with the result v Serbia - it's not something to be critical of the manager for. But rewriting it as saying we played well when we didnt, is something that happens a lot here. It's fine that we didnt play that well, we got a result and that was the most important thing. We showed good characteristics such as doggedness and resiliance. 

It is going around in circles though, I'm part of that and I agree - for my part I'll wait until after the next set of games for more comment. At that point he will have had the full campaign and it will be a good time to evaluate him.

Apparently though, waiting until the end of the campaign before assessing SK, is a dastardly ploy by the Kenny out brigade (i.e. the 20%), because they hope we lose to Luxembourg and ensuring his exit!
How many people have told you that they hope Ireland lose so Kenny will be sacked ?
 
To say i am not a Kenny fan would be a understatement , but i hope he wins every game while he is in charge of Ireland .
I also hope he wins every game, someone had posted on here that those of us who prefer to wait until the end of the campaign before assessing SK were just hoping that we don't beat Luxembourg so it would make it harder to advocate to keep Kenny.
Back to Top
kearney304 View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady
Avatar

Joined: 25 Feb 2014
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 1959
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kearney304 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 12:42pm
Exactly which is why I get so annoyed. Luck is a part of football. We have been unlucky. Slovakia away, Serbia away & Portugal away were 3 good performances against 2 decent sides and 1 world class one. When was the last time we went anywhere and retained the ball? Or looked creative? At full time after the game in Slovakia everyone was in agreement that it could have and should have went our way. It didn't & I get it but to say injuries, COVID & fans didn't hamper us in getting a result is just putting blinkers on.

A lot of this comes back to a comment about Serbia and someone saying we played well in it. We didnt. 

You keep referencing rewriting history and make points to suit your argument. We did play well away from home against the team who look like they will top the group. Again you either didn't watch the game or just have blinkers on.

Regarding Duffy - you said again rewriting history. He was dropped by Ireland & rightly so. Would MON have done that? No chance. This is what I say about man management. Getting the best out of players while also giving them confidence. Taking young lads out of the firing line while putting in other young lads. 

Just realised you're talking about the home game, Jesus wept.
Back to Top
planning View Drop Down
Ray Houghton
Ray Houghton

Football version of Comical Ali.

Joined: 17 Mar 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 3637
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote planning Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

As for the progression - sure the last two games have been very good, but have there been 'so many clear signs of progression'? Is two games enough to point to and say that everything is finally coming to fruition?

If Portugal put a few goals past us and we lose to Luxembourg after, nobody is going to give two sh*ts about a friendly v Qatar. The conversation looks a lot different then. Hopefully we are finally on the upward curve with Kenny, but to act like it's been obvious for months, or that he needs to be given a new contract now - is absolutely bizarre stuff. Lets wait and see.

LOL

You only want to "wait and see" since we beat Qatar. Before then, you didn't wait at all, as you had seen enough. What you're waiting patiently for is the "different conversation" you write about above. After the win in Baku, the next demand was to "build on it". When we built on it, the next demand was beat Luxembourg. And if we beat them, the goalposts will be moved again. 

Philip Quinn has been forecasting various takes on the "different conversation" above in his newspaper column every single day for the past month. As the results went for Kenny this week, he had to change direction.  So he was left to cry and whinge that the brits in green joined us in the also rans ward this week, reminiscing fondly about what they done 40 years ago. I frankly don't care about them, they have their own association, their own team, their own history, and it's about as useful to me as football in Norway. 

We've lost one of the last 8 games. It's not breaking any records, but it gives Kenny something to build on. The next 2 games are going to be hard, and it's unlikely we'll win both, we may not win either, and I'm sure you'll have a lot more to say about that than the past week. But the conversation won't be any different. The redevelopment job continues into the next campaign. Luxembourg is just another step on the journey, not it's destination.


Edited by planning - 15 Oct 2021 at 1:01pm
Back to Top
E2016 View Drop Down
Davey Langan
Davey Langan


Joined: 13 Jan 2016
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 816
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote E2016 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Exactly which is why I get so annoyed. Luck is a part of football. We have been unlucky. Slovakia away, Serbia away & Portugal away were 3 good performances against 2 decent sides and 1 world class one. When was the last time we went anywhere and retained the ball? Or looked creative? At full time after the game in Slovakia everyone was in agreement that it could have and should have went our way. It didn't & I get it but to say injuries, COVID & fans didn't hamper us in getting a result is just putting blinkers on.

A lot of this comes back to a comment about Serbia and someone saying we played well in it. We didnt. 

You keep referencing rewriting history and make points to suit your argument. We did play well away from home against the team who look like they will top the group. Again you either didn't watch the game or just have blinkers on.

Regarding Duffy - you said again rewriting history. He was dropped by Ireland & rightly so. Would MON have done that? No chance. This is what I say about man management. Getting the best out of players while also giving them confidence. Taking young lads out of the firing line while putting in other young lads. 

Just realised you're talking about the home game, Jesus wept.


Yeah, I realise that I was crossing wires with both games.

The home game with Serbia I don't think we played well in - but we got a result. No issue with that.

The away game we had some good passages of play, I do struggle to go over the top about it given we conceeded 3 goals which is just not good enough - but yes it was a decent enough performance.

I don't think anyone who is sceptical of Kenny has any foundation in using the games v Serbia/Portugal/Slovakia as criticisms.

It's the other games vs teams in and around our level, or below us, where we have looked quite poor in many or most of them. Combined with not getting results in them - which is the priority. We have to be beating the likes of Azerbaijan/Luxembourg/Bulgaria, even Finland. We only have one win against that lot from 7 games.

I genuinely hope that we have reached a turning point, and I guess the proof will be in the pudding next month. Anyway, until then.Thumbs Up
Back to Top
E2016 View Drop Down
Davey Langan
Davey Langan


Joined: 13 Jan 2016
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 816
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote E2016 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

As for the progression - sure the last two games have been very good, but have there been 'so many clear signs of progression'? Is two games enough to point to and say that everything is finally coming to fruition?

If Portugal put a few goals past us and we lose to Luxembourg after, nobody is going to give two sh*ts about a friendly v Qatar. The conversation looks a lot different then. Hopefully we are finally on the upward curve with Kenny, but to act like it's been obvious for months, or that he needs to be given a new contract now - is absolutely bizarre stuff. Lets wait and see.

LOL

You only want to "wait and see" since we beat Qatar. Before then, you didn't wait at all, as you had seen enough. What you're waiting patiently for is the "different conversation" you write about above. After the win in Baku, the next demand was to "build on it". When we built on it, the next demand was beat Luxembourg. And if we beat them, the goalposts will be moved again. 

Philip Quinn has been forecasting various takes on the "different conversation" above in his newspaper column every single day for the past month. As the results went for Kenny this week, he had to change direction.  So he was left to cry and whinge that the brits in green joined us in the also rans ward this week, reminiscing fondly about what they done 40 years ago. I frankly don't care about them, they have their own association, their own team, their own history, and it's about as useful to me as football in Norway. 

We've lost one of the last 8 games. It's not breaking any records, but it gives Kenny something to build on. The next 2 games are going to be hard, and it's unlikely we'll win both, we may not win either, and I'm sure you'll have a lot more to say about that than the past week. But the conversation won't be any different. The redevelopment job continues into the next campaign. Luxembourg is just another step on the journey, not it's destination.


The goalposts are very clear. Beat the teams we should be beating. If possible get results v much better teams and if not don't be disgraced in defeat. If he wants to bring through 10 players, or pass the ball more to do that then that's his perogative.

Given what had come before in terms of results and performances, I found it extremely unlikely that Kenny would manage to turn things around enough to merit a second term. We still hadn't a competitive win until we beat Azerbaijan. He has certainly started to turn it around with two good results and performances but we need to see if consistency can be maintained.

Even still, if we ended this campaign with one competitive win in the group then that would be a cause for concern, yes - surely. It would surely be hard to expect him to go from one competitive win to the 3 or so that people would hope for in the Nations League and the 4 or 5 that people would expect in Euro 2024 qualifiers. How could you have any faith that he can make that leap if he doesn't start winning games in this group. Surely that is not an unreasonable thing to think? LOL

So yes, the Luxembourg and Portugal games have to be considered important. I am hopeful that we have turned a corner. This 'different conversation' malarky is a moot point anyway as I expect barring a complete hiding v Portugal and an embarrassing defeat away to Luxembourg that he is safe, regardless of some of our opinoons. I'm not wishing for either of those things so to say I'm waiting around for a different conversation is nonsense. Anyway, I promise I'm done now. LOL


Edited by E2016 - 15 Oct 2021 at 1:14pm
Back to Top
planning View Drop Down
Ray Houghton
Ray Houghton

Football version of Comical Ali.

Joined: 17 Mar 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 3637
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote planning Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

The goalposts are very clear. Beat the teams we should be beating. If possible get results v much better teams and if not don't be disgraced in defeat. If he wants to bring through 10 players, or pass the ball more to do that then that's his perogative.

Given what had come before in terms of results and performances, I found it extremely unlikely that Kenny would manage to turn things around enough to merit a second term. We still hadn't a competitive win until we beat Azerbaijan. He has certainly started to turn it around with two good results and performances but we need to see if consistency can be maintained.

Even still, if we ended this campaign with one competitive win in the group then that would be a cause for concern, yes - surely. It would surely be hard to expect him to go from one competitive win to the 3 or so that people would hope for in the Nations League and the 4 or 5 that people would expect in Euro 2024 qualifiers. How could you have any faith that he can make that leap if he doesn't start winning games in this group. Surely that is not an unreasonable thing to think? 

So yes, the Luxembourg and Portugal games have to be considered important. I am hopeful that we have turned a corner. This 'different conversation' malarky is a moot point anyway as I expect barring a complete hiding v Portugal and an embarrassing defeat away to Luxembourg that he is safe, regardless of some of our opinoons. I'm not wishing for either of those things so to say I'm waiting around for a different conversation is nonsense. 

The Luxembourg and Portugal games are dead rubber games that have to be fulfilled. I'm not confident of going to Luxembourg to face European Cup stars, and winning. We may lose heavily against Portugal, but nobody beyond our border will bat an eyelid. None of them acknowledged our performance out there, or the penalty save, or even the result, the story was about a new goalscoring record. We are an also ran in this competition, invisible and irrelevant to everyone outside the country. The one chance this year we had to sell ourselves was in hosting the Euros. We refused point blank to cooperate, and so the world moved on without us.

The Nations League is not a major tournament, and I wouldn't be losing sleep over it. MON got 2 points in it. Kenny got 2 points in it, the games were dull as ditchwater. Germany got relegated in it. Now they're the first team into the World Cup Finals. The NL means nothing.

You didn't give Kenny a chance to gain consistency. You wanted him gone long before now, and won't rest until he is. Last weekend, there were October Obituaries of past coaches being written out in the media. 1985, 2002, 2005, 2007, etc etc. Now the new demand is he beats Luxembourg or he's for the high jump. The game in Luxembourg is going to be very very difficult, and the performance may leave a lot to be desired. But if we nick a 1-0 win by VAR after 95 minutes, Kenny keeps his job just on that basis? How can that be right?

The campaign is over 8 games. It wasn't decided because we won a couple of games this month, it was decided because we weren't good enough over 8 games. There are very few teams nowadays that we "should be" beating. Basically outside the part time pub teams permanently lodged at the bottom of the groups, we cannot expect to beat teams. The state we're in means every game we play is going to be a long hard slog at best, and a reality check at worst. But we have to go through the transition now so we can be relevant in tournaments in the future. 
Back to Top
Fruice View Drop Down
Davey Langan
Davey Langan


Joined: 22 Nov 2014
Location: Cork
Status: Offline
Points: 904
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fruice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

The goalposts are very clear. Beat the teams we should be beating. If possible get results v much better teams and if not don't be disgraced in defeat. If he wants to bring through 10 players, or pass the ball more to do that then that's his perogative.

Given what had come before in terms of results and performances, I found it extremely unlikely that Kenny would manage to turn things around enough to merit a second term. We still hadn't a competitive win until we beat Azerbaijan. He has certainly started to turn it around with two good results and performances but we need to see if consistency can be maintained.

Even still, if we ended this campaign with one competitive win in the group then that would be a cause for concern, yes - surely. It would surely be hard to expect him to go from one competitive win to the 3 or so that people would hope for in the Nations League and the 4 or 5 that people would expect in Euro 2024 qualifiers. How could you have any faith that he can make that leap if he doesn't start winning games in this group. Surely that is not an unreasonable thing to think? 

So yes, the Luxembourg and Portugal games have to be considered important. I am hopeful that we have turned a corner. This 'different conversation' malarky is a moot point anyway as I expect barring a complete hiding v Portugal and an embarrassing defeat away to Luxembourg that he is safe, regardless of some of our opinoons. I'm not wishing for either of those things so to say I'm waiting around for a different conversation is nonsense. 

The Luxembourg and Portugal games are dead rubber games that have to be fulfilled. I'm not confident of going to Luxembourg to face European Cup stars, and winning. We may lose heavily against Portugal, but nobody beyond our border will bat an eyelid. None of them acknowledged our performance out there, or the penalty save, or even the result, the story was about a new goalscoring record. We are an also ran in this competition, invisible and irrelevant to everyone outside the country. The one chance this year we had to sell ourselves was in hosting the Euros. We refused point blank to cooperate, and so the world moved on without us.

The Nations League is not a major tournament, and I wouldn't be losing sleep over it. MON got 2 points in it. Kenny got 2 points in it, the games were dull as ditchwater. Germany got relegated in it. Now they're the first team into the World Cup Finals. The NL means nothing.

You didn't give Kenny a chance to gain consistency. You wanted him gone long before now, and won't rest until he is. Last weekend, there were October Obituaries of past coaches being written out in the media. 1985, 2002, 2005, 2007, etc etc. Now the new demand is he beats Luxembourg or he's for the high jump. The game in Luxembourg is going to be very very difficult, and the performance may leave a lot to be desired. But if we nick a 1-0 win by VAR after 95 minutes, Kenny keeps his job just on that basis? How can that be right?

The campaign is over 8 games. It wasn't decided because we won a couple of games this month, it was decided because we weren't good enough over 8 games. There are very few teams nowadays that we "should be" beating. Basically outside the part time pub teams permanently lodged at the bottom of the groups, we cannot expect to beat teams. The state we're in means every game we play is going to be a long hard slog at best, and a reality check at worst. But we have to go through the transition now so we can be relevant in tournaments in the future. 



There’s 4 paragraphs but I’m not sure what you are getting at?
Back to Top
Hotlips_Hoolahan View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady


Joined: 04 Aug 2020
Status: Online
Points: 2839
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hotlips_Hoolahan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 1:53pm
Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.
Back to Top
TooOldForThis View Drop Down
Ronnie Whelan
Ronnie Whelan
Avatar

Joined: 07 Sep 2020
Status: Online
Points: 94
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TooOldForThis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

In line for new contract: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e370152e-2ebf-11ec-9657-60f46274c249?shareToken=dfe4f456646ed107931d1b36b872a9d2.

 
It's provisional on "barring a disaster against Luxembourg next month" LOL
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 417418419
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.