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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

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Good recruiter, poor retainer.

I would assume that retention is down to remuneration/ambition, neither of which Kenny has any control over tbf, unless of course one is simply looking for something further to criticise Kenny's tenure.

Yeah absolute nonsense..must be a wind up...what is he supposed to do? lock them in a cellar?
To lose two coaches is unfortunate, to lose 4...
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Good recruiter, poor retainer.

I would assume that retention is down to remuneration/ambition, neither of which Kenny has any control over tbf, unless of course one is simply looking for something further to criticise Kenny's tenure.

Yeah absolute nonsense..must be a wind up...what is he supposed to do? lock them in a cellar?
To lose two coaches is unfortunate, to lose 4...

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In an imagined world where someone can do no wrong, everything bad that happens is unfortunate.
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Someone tell Kenny there's a job at Aston Villa going
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Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 

Barrys contribution was significant yes, but almost certainly overstated. In any case the argument here is around whether Kenny can be blamed for failing to retain the promising young coaches who he himself identified in the first instance. He doesnt hold the purse strings, nor does he have control over those coaches personal ambitions, so in my view it is an extremely tenuous stick to use to criticise Kenny. 
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I lost 5 staff over a period of 18 months. Didn't stop HR quizzing me about my ability to retain staff. 
Of course I told them they they left for better positions, which is partly true, the other reason is that I'm a c**t!
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

I lost 5 staff over a period of 18 months. Didn't stop HR quizzing me about my ability to retain staff. 
Of course I told them they they left for better positions, which is partly true, the other reason is that I'm a c**t!
 

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 

Barrys contribution was significant yes, but almost certainly overstated. In any case the argument here is around whether Kenny can be blamed for failing to retain the promising young coaches who he himself identified in the first instance. He doesnt hold the purse strings, nor does he have control over those coaches personal ambitions, so in my view it is an extremely tenuous stick to use to criticise Kenny. 
Significant but overstated is a bit of a bob each way. Barry is now assistant with one of the world's top international sides. Kenny, as one poster here famously put it, wouldn't get an interview at Leyton Orient.  However, I sympathise to a degree. Losing Eustace was unfortunate but predictable. I'd question his commitment. Duff was a rat for walking as he did. It was Saipan Lite. He's no loss.
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Originally posted by Healy52003 Healy52003 wrote:

Someone tell Kenny there's a job at Aston Villa going

And who would you replace him with?
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 

Barrys contribution was significant yes, but almost certainly overstated. In any case the argument here is around whether Kenny can be blamed for failing to retain the promising young coaches who he himself identified in the first instance. He doesnt hold the purse strings, nor does he have control over those coaches personal ambitions, so in my view it is an extremely tenuous stick to use to criticise Kenny. 
Significant but overstated is a bit of a bob each way. Barry is now assistant with one of the world's top international sides. Kenny, as one poster here famously put it, wouldn't get an interview at Leyton Orient.  However, I sympathise to a degree. Losing Eustace was unfortunate but predictable. I'd question his commitment. Duff was a rat for walking as he did. It was Saipan Lite. He's no loss.
I thought Kelly was the rat?
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 

Barrys contribution was significant yes, but almost certainly overstated. In any case the argument here is around whether Kenny can be blamed for failing to retain the promising young coaches who he himself identified in the first instance. He doesnt hold the purse strings, nor does he have control over those coaches personal ambitions, so in my view it is an extremely tenuous stick to use to criticise Kenny. 
Significant but overstated is a bit of a bob each way. Barry is now assistant with one of the world's top international sides. Kenny, as one poster here famously put it, wouldn't get an interview at Leyton Orient.  However, I sympathise to a degree. Losing Eustace was unfortunate but predictable. I'd question his commitment. Duff was a rat for walking as he did. It was Saipan Lite. He's no loss.
I thought Kelly was the rat?
Kelly and Duff clashed over Videogate and subsequet media leaks. Kelly was cleared by Kenny. Duff left anyway without explanation. 


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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 

Barrys contribution was significant yes, but almost certainly overstated. In any case the argument here is around whether Kenny can be blamed for failing to retain the promising young coaches who he himself identified in the first instance. He doesnt hold the purse strings, nor does he have control over those coaches personal ambitions, so in my view it is an extremely tenuous stick to use to criticise Kenny. 
Exactly...coach leaves for better opportunity shocker. Did Belgium not go after Barry because they lost Maloney to Hibs? And why the hell would Kenny want an interview at Leyton Orient for? 
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Yeah when Maloney left for Hibs they moved for Barry who was out of contract. Neil Critchley is gone from Villa and a highly rated coach. He'd be a risk to bring in because he'll likely get offers for managers jobs down the line like Eustace.

If you got the full qualification campaign out of him decent but if he left half way through you're stuck trying to replace him. Don't mind some coaches moving on now and then cause it gets different views and ideas amongst the group.
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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Some people will use any excuse to give Kenny a kicking.  

Maurice setters was jacks assistant but who was his coach.  His son John or Noel King.  

Mick had Ian Evans as assistant but again who was the 3rd coach.  Bonner was the GK coach.  

Brian Kerr had Hughton as assistant and Noel O Reilly as assistant. 

Stan had Bobby Robson as assistant and I don’t know who else.  

Trap to be fair had Tardelli and Brady but huge money was paid.  
o Neill had Keane and Walford and Guppy but again it cost a fortune.  

Mick was back again and had TC and Robbie Keane.  

So again what I am saying is that the 3rd coach is not that significant at all and there should not be a big deal about it. 
So Barry's contribution was negligible. 

Barrys contribution was significant yes, but almost certainly overstated. In any case the argument here is around whether Kenny can be blamed for failing to retain the promising young coaches who he himself identified in the first instance. He doesnt hold the purse strings, nor does he have control over those coaches personal ambitions, so in my view it is an extremely tenuous stick to use to criticise Kenny. 
Exactly...coach leaves for better opportunity shocker. Did Belgium not go after Barry because they lost Maloney to Hibs? And why the hell would Kenny want an interview at Leyton Orient for? 
1. Yes.
2. Yes. 
3. His Aunt Doris works in the canteen.  
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