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I would be seriously worried about the mentality of any player who hasn't researched Stephen Kenny in the last 18 months and who hasn't kept tabs on the Ireland under-21 team. This is going to be your next senior manager for jaysus sake.

Any player in the dark about Kenny at this stage says more about the player.
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not really surprised if it's true, some players didn't know who Kerr was when he took over
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

not really surprised if it's true, some players didn't know who Kerr was when he took over
that was 18 years ago... no internet and media 'web' frenzy when anouncements are made.. as was said above if a player doesnt know who kenny is they are living under a rock...
as for proving something its unfortunate that he has to but thats football  and people dont rate LOI managers.. if he draws as many games as mick well he hasnt done too bad and actually beat a team better than georgia would be an improvement.. and i dont remember trap actually winning a game against a higher ranked team either... 
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Players do live under a rock.

They'll know a new manager is coming in and would have just managed Ireland u21 and Dundalk, they'd know very little else about him.

All the previous managers would have been a lot more high profile and have a lot more media exposure.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:


Gary Breen came across as OTT in defence of Mick on Off The Ball. He was fairly argumentative and had a go at Damien Delaney for suggesting that there wasn't a big improvement in terms of organisation from the MON era.

The discussion takes place about 30 mins into this segment. 

link not taking you directly to podcast. which one is it? 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

How many of our managers (bar Trap, and that didn't count for much..) have had a CV built "at the top level"? McCarthy is a Championship/lower Premier League manager throughout his career, MON a mid-PL manager, etc. Not exactly "the highest level"...

MON was crucial in establishing Leicester during their second spell in the PL, he then turned the tide in Scotland and guided Celtic to a European Final. McCarthy won the Championship twice , and buttressed Wolves in the PL for several years, and that doesn’t count his first six years in the Irish job. Both had good CVs.

And Kenny took Dundalk to the Europa League Group stages (and actually made them competitive within that competition, unlike Michael O'Neill before him with Shams). That is certainly a more impressive achievement than McCarthy has, and up there with MON's. That's without even mentioning that Kenny has recently transformed the fortunes of our long-suffering U-21's in virtually the blink of an eye...
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

How many of our managers (bar Trap, and that didn't count for much..) have had a CV built "at the top level"? McCarthy is a Championship/lower Premier League manager throughout his career, MON a mid-PL manager, etc. Not exactly "the highest level"...

MON was crucial in establishing Leicester during their second spell in the PL, he then turned the tide in Scotland and guided Celtic to a European Final. McCarthy won the Championship twice , and buttressed Wolves in the PL for several years, and that doesn’t count his first six years in the Irish job. Both had good CVs.

And Kenny took Dundalk to the Europa League Group stages (and actually made them competitive within that competition, unlike Michael O'Neill before him with Shams). That is certainly a more impressive achievement than McCarthy has, and up there with MON's. That's without even mentioning that Kenny has recently transformed the fortunes of our long-suffering U-21's in virtually the blink of an eye...
O Shea it’s very unfair  on McCarthy to say  his achievements are worse than Kenny’s.
He got us to the last 16 of a World Cup to me that’s better than anything Kenny has done.
Kenny also has been blessed with one of the bests under 21 teams we have every had who had being doing well all the way up the age groups it’s not as if he transformed them from also fans to where they are now.

I’m no McCarthy fan I just think you are being unfair on him
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Originally posted by Yiksheemash Yiksheemash wrote:

actually got it on youtube


jaysus Gary Breen is some yes man for Mick McCarthy. spoofer! 
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To just echo what @o'shea has said regarding the u21s. 

When Noel King was in that role for 8 or so years the u21s barely achieved anything then Kenny takes over and they are competitive and a joy to watch. The Sweden games in particular stand out.

This could be down to the recent quality of player coming through but I dont think you can discount Kenny's influence here.

At this point however it just proves that Kenny is a better manager than King but so is a bowl of cornflakes.

It does look like there is promise here though 
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

How many of our managers (bar Trap, and that didn't count for much..) have had a CV built "at the top level"? McCarthy is a Championship/lower Premier League manager throughout his career, MON a mid-PL manager, etc. Not exactly "the highest level"...

MON was crucial in establishing Leicester during their second spell in the PL, he then turned the tide in Scotland and guided Celtic to a European Final. McCarthy won the Championship twice , and buttressed Wolves in the PL for several years, and that doesn’t count his first six years in the Irish job. Both had good CVs.

And Kenny took Dundalk to the Europa League Group stages (and actually made them competitive within that competition, unlike Michael O'Neill before him with Shams). That is certainly a more impressive achievement than McCarthy has, and up there with MON's. That's without even mentioning that Kenny has recently transformed the fortunes of our long-suffering U-21's in virtually the blink of an eye...

MON lead Celtic to a UEFA Cup Final. That is an incredibly impressive achievement, especially in 2003 when teams like PSG, Liverpool, Lazio,, Sporting Lisbon Porto, and other Champions League winners were around it. The also beat Blackburn along the way. The treble in his first season after almost a decade of Rangers dominance was impressive. As was the two cup wins in England. No way is qualifying for the Europa League group stages as impressive.
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Our U 21s have been mismanaged for years, Kenny has brought structure to the squad admittedly with a good group of players. Anyone know is Noel King still on the payroll 🤔
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

How many of our managers (bar Trap, and that didn't count for much..) have had a CV built "at the top level"? McCarthy is a Championship/lower Premier League manager throughout his career, MON a mid-PL manager, etc. Not exactly "the highest level"...

MON was crucial in establishing Leicester during their second spell in the PL, he then turned the tide in Scotland and guided Celtic to a European Final. McCarthy won the Championship twice , and buttressed Wolves in the PL for several years, and that doesn’t count his first six years in the Irish job. Both had good CVs.

And Kenny took Dundalk to the Europa League Group stages (and actually made them competitive within that competition, unlike Michael O'Neill before him with Shams). That is certainly a more impressive achievement than McCarthy has, and up there with MON's. That's without even mentioning that Kenny has recently transformed the fortunes of our long-suffering U-21's in virtually the blink of an eye...

MON lead Celtic to a UEFA Cup Final. That is an incredibly impressive achievement, especially in 2003 when teams like PSG, Liverpool, Lazio,, Sporting Lisbon Porto, and other Champions League winners were around it. The also beat Blackburn along the way. The treble in his first season after almost a decade of Rangers dominance was impressive. As was the two cup wins in England. No way is qualifying for the Europa League group stages as impressive.


I think he meant Michael O'Neill, going from LOI and EL group experience into an international job

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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

How many of our managers (bar Trap, and that didn't count for much..) have had a CV built "at the top level"? McCarthy is a Championship/lower Premier League manager throughout his career, MON a mid-PL manager, etc. Not exactly "the highest level"...

MON was crucial in establishing Leicester during their second spell in the PL, he then turned the tide in Scotland and guided Celtic to a European Final. McCarthy won the Championship twice , and buttressed Wolves in the PL for several years, and that doesn’t count his first six years in the Irish job. Both had good CVs.

And Kenny took Dundalk to the Europa League Group stages (and actually made them competitive within that competition, unlike Michael O'Neill before him with Shams). That is certainly a more impressive achievement than McCarthy has, and up there with MON's. That's without even mentioning that Kenny has recently transformed the fortunes of our long-suffering U-21's in virtually the blink of an eye...

MON lead Celtic to a UEFA Cup Final. That is an incredibly impressive achievement, especially in 2003 when teams like PSG, Liverpool, Lazio,, Sporting Lisbon Porto, and other Champions League winners were around it. The also beat Blackburn along the way. The treble in his first season after almost a decade of Rangers dominance was impressive. As was the two cup wins in England. No way is qualifying for the Europa League group stages as impressive.
 
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would Martin o neill have qualified for the group stages with Dundalk? Would he f**k.
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would Martin o neill have qualified for the group stages with Dundalk? Would he f**k.

He might have.
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Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

would Martin o neill have qualified for the group stages with Dundalk? Would he f**k.
Not taking anything away from how they performed when they got there, but it was just one outstanding result that did.
Kenny seems a very astute guy, but it seems like those on both sides of the argument are determined to overplay or underplay his achievements to suit their argument.
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All this talk of people not knowing who Kenny is as if half our players aren’t a bunch of nobodies. I mean wtf is a James Collins? Or Kevin Long, does that guy even really exist? 
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