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Liam Brady Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1691 |
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This is completely untrue. Being the league below the strongest league in the world is not a bad thing. Name me another 2nd tier league where players move around for 10-20 million. The mighty Serbia have Mitrovic playing up front for them, but he is good, it's our players that play in the Championship that are not good. Keep acting as if a ton of the players in the Championship wouldn't walk into those 'Champions League' elite teams.
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Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24954 |
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I'm not speaking about you specifically here but if you are a poster that thinks it's acceptable to see Kenny continue after this campaign despite failing to beat Luxembourg or Azerbaijan in 4 outings resulting in no competitive wins in 15 competitive games, then you are completely blind in your support for Kenny. No other Irish manager especially from a non LOI background would get anywhere near this cultist devotion in similar circumstances.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Liam Brady Joined: 25 Aug 2021 Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
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The Championship is comfortably in the top 10 leagues in Europe. For overall standard, its probably 7th or 8th in Europe. There's 24 decent sides. All competitive. Every game is close to call. Its a proper league. The PFA CAhampionship team of the year is very strong every year. The top 6 in the Championship are better than at least 7 or 8 CL group sides and better than most of the EL sides. |
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Jack Charlton 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 9933 |
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Cultist devotion
If you honestly believe this you’re a weird freak.
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Liam Brady Joined: 25 Aug 2021 Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
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There is a Kenny cult. All form of logical reasoning is gone. It is cultist
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Birmingham - Relegated Blackpool - Relegated Bournemouth - Relegated Cardiff - Relegated Fulham - Relegated Huddersfield - Relegated Swansea - Relegated Watford - Relegated Wigan - Relegated West Brom - Relegated Norwich - Relegated Sheffield Utd - Relegated They are clearly clubs not up to EPL level, but apparently their standard of players are up to qualifying for Euros and World Cups with us. |
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39345 |
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Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more...
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Liam Brady Joined: 25 Aug 2021 Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
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Most if the sides listed above are stringer than all but the best of international sides. The standard of international ball ain't that high.
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t_rAndy
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its not cultist reasoning from my perspective we are prepared to give him a chance given all the circumstances and yes some of those might look like excuses but they are hard facts, like no home fans against Lux was a major disadvantage. Nothing to do with him being LOI. I find it hard to listen to him myself so not like i love the guy. But he trying something a bit different and knee jerk reactions without any plan B I would be less in favour of. For me, I started to really judge him from the Serbia game as the NL was a bedding on period and it was chaotic. Based on what I saw so far, we probably deserved the following results: Serbia L Lux D Portugal D Azerbaijan W Serbia L Not good enough to qualify anyway but Serbia and Portugal are strong. Now for sure its one thing deserving more vs. doing it but I think you need to see more than 5 games. The return fixtures and how we do will be key
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Liam Brady Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1691 |
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How long were Wigan in the PL for? How long were Swansea? How long were Bournemouth? How long were Birmingham? What kind of argument is that - here look at all these teams that managed to compete for years and years after getting promoted? Thanks for making my argument for me. Sheffield United - where did they finish in their first season? How about Wolves, Southampton, Aston Villa, West Ham, Leicester who won the Premier League two seasons after promotion? Crystal Palace, Leeds, Burnley? Brighton (taken up by that average Chris bloke)? All of those teams came up in the timeframe that you've included there. You've had an absolute mare there. Like a catastrophic mare. My god. The fact remains, the Premier League is the strongest league in the world in terms of talent. That is absolutely undeniable. The Championship being the tier below the strongest league doesn't mean that it isn't strong. To start claiming that players playing in minnow European leagues are playing at a higher level than the Championship, just because their league is the premier league in their country, is complete dung.
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Jack Charlton Trapattoni could manage me any day! Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6517 |
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ah ffs the forum being spammed by the usual suspects again.
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One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back.
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Liam Brady Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1691 |
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You've posted this almost exact same message 5 times in September alone in Stephen Kenny threads. Thats more spam than people having a back and forth on Kenny.
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Liam Brady Joined: 25 Aug 2021 Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
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Another Kenny cult tactic. Any argument against his embarrassing record is either Spam or a WUM or a dinosaur
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shakeyshamrock
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I said that if you think it's unacceptable that's about you and your expectations.. I said nothing about whether or not your expectations are acceptable or not.. I don't really know if you can have an "unacceptable expectation".. what would that even mean? I think it's reasonable to expect to win a portion of our home games, but I also think it's reasonable to expect that we'll lose a bit too as we're a young inexperienced team.. we're naive, callow, raw - whatever way you want to describe us.. we're going to get done a few times, but hopefully that's how we'll learn.. for example, I don't expect us to concede two late goals to lose a game we're winning again, I would hope that lesson was well and truly learnt. |
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I guess you could equally argue there's a cult for Kenny-out.
Where the obsession is that anyone but Kenny can make us "competitive". Which I believe is the trigger word used to demonstrate a handful of wins in ten years.
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Liam Brady Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1691 |
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Well we have been competitive under most of the managers that came before him. He is the worst manager we ever had, that's a fact. Despite all that if Kenny gets 2 wins from the 3 remaining games then most people will accept another campaign, including me. However you (well I for one) get the sense that others would be happy to see him get the Euros regardless of what happens in the remaining games. At that point, there isn't much else to call it other than cult like.
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Who cares how long they were in the EPL for? The argument put out is that it's a strong league, among the 7 or 8 best in Europe. What a load of rubbish. The Championship is a league you spend your life either trying to get out of, or try to stay out of. The quality is horrendous. The 7th place team in it can, and has been promoted in the past. The overwhelming majority of the teams who have got out of it, have spent their entire existence in the EPL battling to beat the drop. The one side who won the EPL did it after just about beating the drop. The manager who did that spent the following year fighting the drop and was of course, sacked for it, because everyone wants to avoid playing in the Championship at all costs. Plus, with no VAR available to stop offside goals given and vice versa, or stop players being assaulted to the ground as at Luton v Swansea recently, I really can't be bothered with it tbh. It's true that every national league in Europe isn't EPL standard. But one thing those who play in it and their national team have, are meaningful trophies, medals, successful sides and European club experience. Something you're not going to get slumming it with Fulham and West Brom and Sheffield United, in the league that we pick most of our players from atm.
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this fookin thread
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