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Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
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So what your saying is Kenny can identify himself as a successful international manager but in fact he is not!!!!
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39806 |
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Amazing that the Branch Kennyians weren't saying this 2 years ago when Mick was in charge and were outraged we couldn't turn over the Danes at home and still beating minnows apart from a draw in Georgia. The lengths some are going to now to justify this appalling set of results is laughable. Luxembourg are now a force to be reckoned with because they have a couple of players playing for no hoper teams that scrape into the Champions League. Azerbaijan are now the new FC Barcelona as they have the Azerbaijan La Masia at their disposal. If these teams had players playing for top European clubs then maybe but they don't and are in fact pretty rubbish. |
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39806 |
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The next lowest win ratio of any EIRE manager is 35% or so. Mick's win ratio for the Euro 2020 campaign was 50%. So in that 12-15 month period since Kenny took over it has dropped to 6%. Some fall! Are people that deluded that the player quality has drastically declined in that space of time! If his win % was 30% then maybe you could argue that but 6% smacks of a manager completely out of his depth. He needs 2 wins from the remaining 3 games to stay on. If he doesn;t he can have no excuses. He was given the playoff, NL and WC campaign. Brian Kerr wasn't up to it at this level and it looks like Kenny isn't either because unfortunately the LOI is so far off the pace that even our two greatest league managers of the last 30 years are shown up when they step up to international football.
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Using only results as a metric means yes, indeed, we are drivel.
I am in no way pretending our results have been anything but poor. I could argue that we were a few strokes of luck from some good results in there but that arguement has been made and we didn't get those goals (Hourihane v Slovakia, Connolly v Portugal, Idah v Azer etc.) and so we are where we are. I am basing my views on how I see us playing. Playing better than we have in a while. Putting together passages of play that I've rarely seen Ireland do in my years watching. Trying to hold onto the ball and make things happen. Making plenty of good scoring opportunities. No, we are not scoring nearly enough and have no strikers to save us but we're trying to do the right things more often than not. Are we making mistakes? Hell yeah! But a managerial change now, for me, would be throwing in the towel. I want, not expect, a win or two in our last three games. I believe we can go to both Lux and Azer and get wins. I don't expect it. I am certain we will not cede posession and the initiative at every opportunity in those games and that we will create chances. I'm an Ireland fan and want us to do well.
I think Kenny has flaws for sure but I like what he is trying to do and want to give this more time. Edited by Fozz - 18 Sep 2021 at 11:57am |
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39806 |
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Yes there has been good stuff in there and I appreciate what he is trying to do and agree with it. But results are results. The bar is not being set high for him. Beat Azerbaijan and Luxembourg at home. That's the minimum requirement! Any lower and we should give up participating international football. I hope he turns it around but have major doubts he can.
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I agree with most of your post except the last paragraph. He may be out of his depth but not because international football is a massive step up. Brian Kerr did alright for Faroe Islands. There are alot of poor teams at international level and alot of the managers such as Southgate haven't had massive pedigree in the club game. There are other examples of other loi managers doing well at international level. E.g. michael o neill at northern ireland. Even Baraclough (ex sligo) is doing a decent job with the north. Not spectacular but against Switzerland, they looked like they had a real chance of winning while we were hanging on at home to Serbia, who argubaly are at a lower level than the swiss, based on past tournament appearances. The Irish job could be too big for Kenny. The players do seem to back him but alot of his in game management and substitions have had me scratching my head. The win rate is shocking and has you have said he has had the nations league and world cup. We can't just keep writing off campaigns until we become a minnow and have even less of a chance of qualifying due to poor seeding.
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I suppose Michael O'Neill had more respect as he was a decent player in England with Newcastle and was an ex international with T.E. and players automatically look at you different than say Stephen Kenny or Brian Kerr who have not only never been players but never managed at a decent level. They may even be saying the same things in the dressing room but sometimes you believe it more because of the person who is saying it.
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Yeah definitely. Not winning will obviously affect confidence to a degree too. But alot of our experienced players are at the back or midfield so the consensus from them could be that our lack of goals is down to the fact we don't have a talisman. We will see how these final games go. |
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As for Kenny if i am honest which i think i am the only reason i can see why 80% on here want him to stay on is we now play a different type of game , which we do and he has a LOI background and from Dublin . You you look at the stats and stats alone they are shocking .
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39806 |
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And was sacked. Should Kenny be any different?
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Interesting article on rte.ie
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I declared it wouldn't be the end of the world if we don't. If we beat either or them, or both, it doesn't mean we're suddenly world beaters. Personally I can't see us winning both, and would expect something similiar to the scorelines at home. Fifa rankings only account for scorelines. They don't recognise tactics, or styles of play, or possession stats, or player availability, or squad depth, or virus restrictions. They often paint a false picture of the world game. Brazil are usually top, yet haven't won the WC in 20 years. England are now in the top 5. Their last major trophy was 55 years ago. Messi is often called the greatest player ever, but he's never won the World Cup. The bar has been reduced, because it has to be reduced. We have had fantastic players over the past 50 years all over the pitch, now we have players struggling to get game time for their clubs. None of the potential replacements for Kenny suggested would bring through the number of players he has. They would stick to hoofball with the tried and trusted, and when it failed, blame the lack of players for it, then get sacked and repeat the same old cycle again.
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Jack Charlton Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 7702 |
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Good post above
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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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That will be the end for Kenny if those are the results.
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