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Claret Murph
Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15740 |
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grannyrule
Ray Houghton Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: Parts Unknown Status: Offline Points: 4680 |
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Depends on where you look. Here and Off the Ball for instance are in favour of him yet if you look at somewhere like The42 most comments are definitely anti Kenny. Personally, I think the next campaign is going to be another one wasted with Kenny in charge.
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Het-field
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Especially as the scope for qualifying is wider than it was before. In the last campaign I remember we could have qualified by wining either game against the Danes or the Swiss, and we failed on both count, and then had a third bite via the play offs which also didn’t work.
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trapscat
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I always said, play better football, blood youth and then 2023 would be his judgement. Last night worried me a bit. I still think give him the qualifying campaign for 2024, but d honeymoon is now over. Needs a top notch number two, which would help him greatly. Andrews is a spoofer in my opinion.
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16467 |
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I'd agree with this
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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Comments are not a good gauge of sentiment - angry people looking to vent comment, people with moderate views tend not to bother. Polling is a far better measure, and every poll I've seen shows considerable support for Kenny.
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We're decent enough..
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Baldrick
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The lack of a leader in midfield is the main cause of this. The ability to calm everyone else down and demand the ball and make everyone else play that little bit better. Obviously they have the ability but it doesn’t have to be Roy Keane esque. A Lee Carsley type would suit us big style at the moment in those situations and we have no depth in the middle of the park. Our leaders are defenders such as Egan and Coleman and Duffy.
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Fruice
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Right so this is my take on Ireland under Kenny more pleasing on the eye but still our main source of goals is a set piece. Take last night kenny says we played very well in the main bar 5 minutes of madness and mistakes. The mistakes happened within the context of Kenny’s style of play goal 1 Hourihane and Collins were way out of position but are encouraged to do so and we get punished. Also goal two Hourihane plays a square pass to no one but they again are encouraged to play out. We then are dam lucky not to concede a 3rd. All this happens in 10 minutes against the 92nd ranked team in the world. What could a top team potentially do to us in this system? To be fair we got a winner again with its source being a set piece. Teams must love coming to play us they know we will try and play ball we might hurt them a small bit but ultimately we aren’t good enough to really kill them and we will always make a few mistakes to get a a few decent chances off us. And when the pressure comes on we invariably crack. |
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Terzino
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The campaign began with two unacceptable performances, but the rest of our games have been good enough.
Our biggest problem is games going flat, but that happens less now than before. Last night was a mixture of good play, but there were periods when the game went flat. Too much passing sideways and backwards doesn't help. And it can cost us too, as Armenia's second goal came when Hourihane tried a lateral pass instead of playing it forward to Brady. But overall, there are enough positive signs to keep Kenny in place. We are much more entertaining, and under him we have scored some quality goals - some of our best in decades. The victory over Scotland was our most complete performance in a very long time. What we learned over the last number of games is to - cut out the really silly mistakes, defend better after half-time, make more impactful substitutions, and take our chances when they come. I don't think it is beyond Kenny to do that.
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OohAah...
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A Few ways I look at it. The cynic and the non cynic both yield the same answer.
The cynic says We cant afford anyone else at the moment and as We are already committed to him for this long We may aswell see it out for essentailly 12 more months. Another new manager would want to rebuild again. the last time We tried results only contract it was mccarthy and look like how that eneded up. The non cynic sees the structure between the youths and the seniors and sees an easier game on the eye to watch and sees what maybe has been signs of progress and there fore hopes the results will follow Either way its a results based game. He has 12 more months. He has no more off road for escuses at this stage
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Artie Ziff
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If the players still believe in him, which I think they do. I don't see the FAI doing anything here.
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Sounds like you were devastated that it wasn't. The Star called it a hollow victory, rather than the one that secured the 7 points in the group. More than England, Wales, France to name a few, and the same as Germany. They're all getting behind their manager as they're off to the World Cup. We demand a change though, such as the below.
Great. Took him 2 years to win a game at international level. That should go down well with the masses here.
I know fans love a good long whinge, forums thrive on them, but some of the relentless negativity here and elsewhere, is just insanity at this stage. 7 points in the last 4 games. Unlucky that it wasn't more. Moan. 2 consecutive home wins for the first time in years, 6 great goals to enjoy along the way. Moan. Most amount of goals and points in a NL campaign, by a country mile. Moan. Demand we win games, then when we win them. Moan. More players brought through, more consistency in results. Moan. The Ireland Manager job, must be the only one in world football where the manager has to be sacked after every single game, Win Lose or Neither. Competitive game, Friendly game, Tournament game, the lot. Literally every single one. It never stops, even when the demands were met, and the odd year when we did manage to qualify, it still wasn't enough to shut the bawlers up. Unbelievable. Literally Unbelievable. The demand in our parish was we have to beat Armenia. We beat Armenia. It's 3 wins and a thrilling draw from 5 home games this year, a big win over the group winners, and Lansdowne is starting to become a fortress again. That should be enough to keep the we need results crowd satisfied for a while. Should, but sadly, no. |
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Claret Murph
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Baldrick
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Murph he is right. If it’s all about results well this year we have lost one game at home and won three and drew one against Belgium. We beat Armenia the other night and if it’s all about results then that should be good enough.
It seems unless Kenny gets the result and performances at the same time the likes of yourself won’t be happy, even though very few previous managers have ever had good results and performances at the same time. Scotland away was a good performance and a game that could have went either way. We lost and for the likes of you that’s all that matters, so why is the same criteria not used for the Armenia game. We won so that’s all that matters?
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E2016
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From a results perspective we have still underperformed in the group. Armenia away should be a win and we should not in a million years be losing at home to Ukraine reserves. The target from Kenny was to win this group. We were miles off that. The last two games is admittedly Kenny suffering more from what he has done before than what happened in those two games, but over near 30 games results have been nowhere near good enough and for the performances crowd, the Armenia game showed up some problems that have existed with Kenny for a very long time. Indeed Dan McDonnell had an article the other day about Kenny's teams history of surrendering leads in important games, and this was before the chaos v Armenia. He has been afforded more leash than any other Ireland manager, and I do not see how so many are so utterly convinced that in March everything will just click. The same patterns have repeated themselves across 3 campaigns so far, the most likely probability is those problems repeating again rather than just vanishing because it's the Euro qualifiers.
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Baldrick
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He was given a different remit than any other manager. There was a rebuild job to do and he was asked to do it.
Every other manager thought about only the next game. That was not Kenny’s remit. Many on here and elsewhere seem to have missed that point. He was brought in with the remit to change the profile of the squad and bring players through as there was no homegrown players from 22 to 29. Also his remit was to change the style of play to suit the younger coming through. All of this was with a view that the euros would be when he is judged like all previous managers on results and if we qualify or are close to qualifying. It’s only now in 2023 will Kenny be judged by the same parameters as previous managers having put in 2 years work for the long term health if the game in Ireland. He has done that rebuild while we didn’t get relegated from Nations league and finished 3rd in World Cup qualifying. Results have been inconsistent, performances less so but still patchy.
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