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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I don't know what you meant by gatekeepers to be honest but it appeared that you were agreeing with the original poster. That's my reading of it anyways. 


You’re seeing what you want to see, then, quite obviously. I’ve explained it quite clearly. 

You’re okay with me being labelled a “superficial” Ireland fan by some guy who doesn’t know me and has taken exception to a comment that he disagreed with or missed the point of? 

Quite clearly you've made a pigs ear of the way you've tried to articulate your point, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. If any needs to climb down its you. 



Quite clearly you’re not very bright if you couldn’t couldn’t comprehend my point - as well as the subsequent clarifications - and now you’re determined to be a bit of a C U Next Tuesday about it all 🤡


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Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I don't know what you meant by gatekeepers to be honest but it appeared that you were agreeing with the original poster. That's my reading of it anyways. 


You’re seeing what you want to see, then, quite obviously. I’ve explained it quite clearly. 

You’re okay with me being labelled a “superficial” Ireland fan by some guy who doesn’t know me and has taken exception to a comment that he disagreed with or missed the point of? 

Quite clearly you've made a pigs ear of the way you've tried to articulate your point, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. If any needs to climb down its you. 


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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Lol if that's a creative performance then I despair. He didn't do anything the much maligned Hendrick or Hourihane can't do and I think Hourihane is a waste of a shirt generally. Hendrick is pretty meh but is the much better passer of the ball. 


McGrath is literally the opposite of Hourihane.

Hourihane:
Doesn't want the ball
When he is on the ball, takes an age to move it
Can't dribble
Can't sprint. Actually, he runs like he's wearing flippers.
Can't tackle.

McGrath:
Wants the ball
Quick feet in tight situations
Can dribble and is direct in running at defenders
Can actually sprint
Actually throws in a tackle here and there



Yes Hourihane is crap for us but McGrath has done eff all and I doubt will ever play in a top league

McGrath

Wants the ball but then does nothing with it.
Runs around alot.
Dribbles then passes the ball sidewards and backwards 
Overhits any slightly progressive pass.
Meh set pieces
Falls over a bunch.
Doesn't look like scoring
Doesn't create clear cut chances
Is barely passable defensively

But nope lads on here should tell Pep Guardiola that McGrath can be a De Bruyne or Bernardo replacement as he's so amazingly creative.


What planet are you on man? Bananas. Is he really your big brother and the one in the family who got all the love? Bizarre random crusade against him. Very strange have to say.
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Lol if that's a creative performance then I despair. He didn't do anything the much maligned Hendrick or Hourihane can't do and I think Hourihane is a waste of a shirt generally. Hendrick is pretty meh but is the much better passer of the ball. 


McGrath is literally the opposite of Hourihane.

Hourihane:
Doesn't want the ball
When he is on the ball, takes an age to move it
Can't dribble
Can't sprint. Actually, he runs like he's wearing flippers.
Can't tackle.

McGrath:
Wants the ball
Quick feet in tight situations
Can dribble and is direct in running at defenders
Can actually sprint
Actually throws in a tackle here and there



Yes Hourihane is crap for us but McGrath has done nothing of nite in ori football and I doubt will ever play in a top league

McGrath

Wants the ball but then does nothing with it.
Runs around alot.
Dribbles then passes the ball sidewards and backwards 
Overhits any slightly progressive pass.
Meh set pieces
Falls over a bunch.
Doesn't look like scoring
Doesn't create clear cut chances
Is barely passable defensively

But nope lads on here should tell Pep Guardiola that McGrath can be a De Bruyne or Bernardo replacement as he's so amazingly creative.



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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Lol if that's a creative performance then I despair. He didn't do anything the much maligned Hendrick or Hourihane can't do and I think Hourihane is a waste of a shirt generally. Hendrick is pretty meh but is the much better passer of the ball. 


McGrath is literally the opposite of Hourihane.

Hourihane:
Doesn't want the ball
When he is on the ball, takes an age to move it
Can't dribble
Can't sprint. Actually, he runs like he's wearing flippers.
Can't tackle.

McGrath:
Wants the ball
Quick feet in tight situations
Can dribble and is direct in running at defenders
Can actually sprint
Actually throws in a tackle here and there

Agreed - he’s one of the worst players that’s ever won 30+ caps for us. He hides for large periods. Truly awful
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:


I think the bolded is miles wide of the mark.

He gets a lot more leeway than previous managers because he's taken over during what is basically an historic rebuild, & the first 13 months of it were in the middle of a pandemic where he was constantly missing half his squad.
Are we back to this classic excuse again? It was a global pandemic. Covid affected all national teams to some extent.


"To some extent". Well there you go, it didn't hit everyone the same. And I see you avoided the minor point of us having to start a giant rebuild in the middle of it.


What's to say we had it any better or worse than other teams? Unless there's some statistical evidence there its just another convenient excuse.

Sure, the rebuild was part of his remit. Everyone supported that and was willing to give him a chance to bring through the next generation. However  the point of a rebuild is that at some point you have to start making progress and we have made very very little under SK. If anything we are showing signs of regression in recent matches.
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:


I think the bolded is miles wide of the mark.

He gets a lot more leeway than previous managers because he's taken over during what is basically an historic rebuild, & the first 13 months of it were in the middle of a pandemic where he was constantly missing half his squad.
Are we back to this classic excuse again? It was a global pandemic. Covid affected all national teams to some extent.


"To some extent". Well there you go, it didn't hit everyone the same. And I see you avoided the minor point of us having to start a giant rebuild in the middle of it.


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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Lol if that's a creative performance then I despair. He didn't do anything the much maligned Hendrick or Hourihane can't do and I think Hourihane is a waste of a shirt generally. Hendrick is pretty meh but is the much better passer of the ball. 


McGrath is literally the opposite of Hourihane.

Hourihane:
Doesn't want the ball
When he is on the ball, takes an age to move it
Can't dribble
Can't sprint. Actually, he runs like he's wearing flippers.
Can't tackle.

McGrath:
Wants the ball
Quick feet in tight situations
Can dribble and is direct in running at defenders
Can actually sprint
Actually throws in a tackle here and there


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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:


I think the bolded is miles wide of the mark.

He gets a lot more leeway than previous managers because he's taken over during what is basically an historic rebuild, & the first 13 months of it were in the middle of a pandemic where he was constantly missing half his squad.
Are we back to this classic excuse again? It was a global pandemic. Covid affected all national teams to some extent.
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Originally posted by SeanC SeanC wrote:

He’s been learning on the job which should not be the purpose/ role of the Manager of Irish national team. We all know he’s a good guy so none of this is personal but come on, how is this being tolerated?

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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I don't really care one way or the other and I don't think you should either to be honest

I suppose in the same way your comment was misconstrued, his was too, because there are a huge amount of superficial fans in Ireland. You happen to not be one of them.  And he said fair play for supporting your club next year. Ye might even get Rovers in the Cup and ye can chat it out over a half time cuppa


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LoI fan since 80s, massive respect for what Kenny did at Longford and especially Dundalk but the guy is really out of his depth. He’s been learning on the job which should not be the purpose/ role of the Manager of Irish national team. We all know he’s a good guy so none of this is personal but come on, how is this being tolerated?
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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

The Friday night merchants might start actually being honest with themselves and everyone else now. Kenny is a total spoofer, as many of us have been saying since day 1. Norway and tonight should confirm it for absolutely everybody. This man has got to go.

Irish football is where it is currently in a large part because of the barstooler epidemic and systemic corruption in the FAI. Stop dribbling all over your phone 

No, Irish Football is where it is because the quality of coaching from underage up to senior level is not up to scratch and never has been. The top level premier league players we have produced almost seems like by accident rather than design. This is not a recent thing, it goes back 30 years. Barstoolers have nothing got to do with it whatsoever. If a decent product is there, people will go and watch it. Unfortunately the LOI is not a decent product, it is pure muck. Employing a LOI manager has ensured our national team is no longer competitive. We’ve never been an easy team to watch but we’ve always been competitive. Absolutely not the case anymore. 

The Friday night guys can mouth off all they want about this clown in charge but they’re only lying to themselves at this stage. Nobody else is buying it. The sooner he goes the better and I tell you one thing, he’ll never manager at a decent level. How he got the job in the first place is simply astounding. 

In fairness, and I see it has triggered a lot of posters, but Bundy has a point here. 

Kenny is - by some distance - the least successful manager in living memory.  And yet is unimpeachable. 

I don't think anyone would disagree that any other manager would have been fired a long time ago.  

It would seem his LOI background has created a "he's one of us" thing with a certain section of the supporters. 

Two things stand out for me:

1.  a long list of obviously naive tactical decisions and mistakes which undermine the team.  We've seen other managers do it (such as MON's desperate gambit at 1-2 at home to Denmark), but not so often.

2.  Ireland teams have not necessarily had the best players on the pitch.  However, all my life, Irish teams have always played greater than the sum of their parts, beating or drawing with teams who on paper are superior to us  (be it Jack, Mick I, Kerr, Stan with some notable exceptions, Trap, MON especially, Mick II).  
For the first time, these last few years we're playing below the sum of our parts.   Losing or drawing to teams we should be well ahead of.  I never thought I'd see the day where we'd be losing to Luxembourg and Armenia, and barely scrapping by against Malta.   

We need a manager that can improve our expected performance, not take away from them. 

One other thing - an early benefit of Kenny was his willingness to try new things and new players.  Sadly, he seems to have lost that attitude (or freedom) now.  A Norway team on our level and a Malta team two or three rungs below was the game to blood new lads like Hodge, Smallbone, Ronan, Sykes (for more than 10 min), Manning etc.

Kenny has done what MON and Mick and Jack have done before - in the last few years he's just stuck to HIS "tried and tested" - Jeff on for caps 76 and 77.  I like Jeff, but, as many people have said on here, we don't need to try him out in friendlies as we're not going to learn anything new. 

The headline point though - I agree with Bundy that he wouldn't still be in a job if it was not for his LOI background.




I think the bolded is miles wide of the mark.

He gets a lot more leeway than previous managers because he's taken over during what is basically an historic rebuild, & the first 13 months of it were in the middle of a pandemic where he was constantly missing half his squad.
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I don't really care one way or the other and I don't think you should either to be honest

I suppose in the same way your comment was misconstrued, his was too, because there are a huge amount of superficial fans in Ireland. You happen to not be one of them.  And he said fair play for supporting your club next year. Ye might even get Rovers in the Cup and ye can chat it out over a half time cuppa
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Your original post didn't explain it very well. He (not specifically him) was called a "Friday Night Merchant", you agreed calling him a gatekeeper, and then we had his reaction. 

I'm not seeing what I want to see, that was my reading of it. I haven't been offended here. I don't have a senior League of Ireland club and I don't attend games bar the odd one or two if the time/date suits.  


I didn’t call him a gatekeeper at all - read it back - and I’ve already explained who I was referring to.



So do you think it’s acceptable to be labelled “superficial” or not? Interested to hear your thoughts on this.
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Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Your original post didn't explain it very well. He (not specifically him) was called a "Friday Night Merchant", you agreed calling him a gatekeeper, and then we had his reaction. 

I'm not seeing what I want to see, that was my reading of it. I haven't been offended here. I don't have a senior League of Ireland club and I don't attend games bar the odd one or two if the time/date suits.  


I didn’t call him a gatekeeper at all - read it back - and I’ve already explained who I was referring to.

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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Your original post didn't explain it very well. He (not specifically him) was called a "Friday Night Merchant", you agreed calling him a gatekeeper, and then we had his reaction. 

I'm not seeing what I want to see, that was my reading of it. I haven't been offended here. I don't have a senior League of Ireland club and I don't attend games bar the odd one or two if the time/date suits.  


I didn’t call him a gatekeeper at all - read it back - and I’ve already explained who I was referring to.
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We are were we are unfortunately. I do think he should go now. Although I do believe the quality of players in the championship is vastly overrated a game like that tonight playing against such opposition you really should be offering more. I can see another coach getting slightly more out of these players but in the grand scheme of things these are a really really poor group.

As for the folks having a go at each other. Irish football is skint, having got involved with one of the major DDSL clubs this year the quality of coaching across the top divisions is absolutely dreadful. The new director of football worked for the premier league previously. There is nothing he can bring to the job that will improve the structure here. ZERO. The task at hand is not comparable to anything he would have done for the premier league. The schoolboy leagues and the FAI disagree on everything. LOI clubs have awful facilities and impressively somehow manage to keep their heads above water considering the circumstances. 

We have no money to bring in a decent coach. He would have been gone by now if we did. Across the board football is screwed and has been for a long time in this country. I do think he should go but do not kid yourselves lads this is only going to get worse as the structure below the national team is completely broken. 
 
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