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Davis is nearly single handedly responsible for modern snooker & the way the game is played today. Before him, snooker players concentrated on one aspect of the game, usually safety, so successful lads were steady, grinder types like Spencer, Reardon, Thorburn, Griffiths, even steady Eddie Charlton achieved a degree of success. Only White & Higgins in that era (and very briefly, Kirk Stevens) were the only relatively successful players who went the other way, concentrating on all out attack. 

Davis more or less revolutionised it, while considered a safety player in comparison to White or Higgins, what most don't realise was just how attacking he was in comparison to all the rest of them of that era. He became a player that could beat anyone with an attacking break if given one or 2 chances, but his safety game was as impeccable as all the other safety conscious players. The safety type players had no answer for his attacking game, the attacking players, aside from a handful of good results here & there against him, generally crumbled eventually under the pressure of his safety game. 

Hendry came along later & improved the standard, but his game was modelled on Davis's in the first place, as was nearly everyone who came after that. It seems a simple concept now that you have to be good at both aspects of the game to be successful, given that it is like that for 30 years at this stage, but it wasn't the case back when Davis started his career. And he does seem like a nice fella as well, never afraid to take the mick out of himself or his 'boring' image, and equipped with a very dry sense of humour. 




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Davis was brilliant for snooker in the 80’s.
He was hugely successful but most people wanted to him to lose to Higgins/White etc.
Davis losing to Taylor in 1985 was a monumental moment in snooker history.
Davis had already won in 83 and 84, and would go on to win 3 in a row in 87, 88 and 89.
If he had beaten Taylor in 85, and Johnson in 86 then maybe people would have turned off.
Hendry came on the scene then, won his first title in 1990 and dominated for a decade.

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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Davis is nearly single handedly responsible for modern snooker & the way the game is played today. Before him, snooker players concentrated on one aspect of the game, usually safety, so successful lads were steady, grinder types like Spencer, Reardon, Thorburn, Griffiths, even steady Eddie Charlton achieved a degree of success. Only White & Higgins in that era (and very briefly, Kirk Stevens) were the only relatively successful players who went the other way, concentrating on all out attack. 

Davis more or less revolutionised it, while considered a safety player in comparison to White or Higgins, what most don't realise was just how attacking he was in comparison to all the rest of them of that era. He became a player that could beat anyone with an attacking break if given one or 2 chances, but his safety game was as impeccable as all the other safety conscious players. The safety type players had no answer for his attacking game, the attacking players, aside from a handful of good results here & there against him, generally crumbled eventually under the pressure of his safety game. 

Hendry came along later & improved the standard, but his game was modelled on Davis's in the first place, as was nearly everyone who came after that. It seems a simple concept now that you have to be good at both aspects of the game to be successful, given that it is like that for 30 years at this stage, but it wasn't the case back when Davis started his career. And he does seem like a nice fella as well, never afraid to take the mick out of himself or his 'boring' image, and equipped with a very dry sense of humour. 





I’d be more inclined to say Hendry revolutionised the game and brought a much more attacking element to it that was never seen before.

He was the first to really take on long shots (low %) and clear the game from one visit. His sheer number of centuries before the introduction of all the new competitions shows this.
He was part of the new generation that looked to break open the pack at every visit. Not this nudging a few balls away.

Davies was certainly the best during his time and was excellent at safety play and never missed. However he always played the %’s.
Very likeable fella but I believe Hendry and Ronnie have way more talent than him.

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Davis is nearly single handedly responsible for modern snooker & the way the game is played today. Before him, snooker players concentrated on one aspect of the game, usually safety, so successful lads were steady, grinder types like Spencer, Reardon, Thorburn, Griffiths, even steady Eddie Charlton achieved a degree of success. Only White & Higgins in that era (and very briefly, Kirk Stevens) were the only relatively successful players who went the other way, concentrating on all out attack. 

Davis more or less revolutionised it, while considered a safety player in comparison to White or Higgins, what most don't realise was just how attacking he was in comparison to all the rest of them of that era. He became a player that could beat anyone with an attacking break if given one or 2 chances, but his safety game was as impeccable as all the other safety conscious players. The safety type players had no answer for his attacking game, the attacking players, aside from a handful of good results here & there against him, generally crumbled eventually under the pressure of his safety game. 

Hendry came along later & improved the standard, but his game was modelled on Davis's in the first place, as was nearly everyone who came after that. It seems a simple concept now that you have to be good at both aspects of the game to be successful, given that it is like that for 30 years at this stage, but it wasn't the case back when Davis started his career. And he does seem like a nice fella as well, never afraid to take the mick out of himself or his 'boring' image, and equipped with a very dry sense of humour. 





I’d be more inclined to say Hendry revolutionised the game and brought a much more attacking element to it that was never seen before.

He was the first to really take on long shots (low %) and clear the game from one visit. His sheer number of centuries before the introduction of all the new competitions shows this.
He was part of the new generation that looked to break open the pack at every visit. Not this nudging a few balls away.

Davies was certainly the best during his time and was excellent at safety play and never missed. However he always played the %’s.
Very likeable fella but I believe Hendry and Ronnie have way more talent than him.
They may have had more talent than him, White and Higgins probably had too, but what Davis had was the perfect temperament for the game. All of the other players, with the exception of Hendry, were championed because of their talent and their emotions. Every sports fan loves a flawed talent, but Davis had few  flaws and any imperfections he had  in his game didn't bother him. He just worked on them.   Hendry, who was similar but, to use that awful and often misused Scottish stereotype; he was dour. That dourness seemed to drive him on, but he could be ruffled.
Davis, by and large, couldn't be. Hearn called him a robot and he played up to that, but in reality he was just  the nice lad next door. He was far too happy-go-lucky to be a robot and I think that's what wound Higgins up so much. He was almost puppy-like in how he followed Hearn and in how he reacted to misses and bad shots. He didn't take himself too seriously, just the game, while Higgins took himself too seriously and often not the game.
I think he gets unfairly judged as a result of that, it isn't often successful sportsmen come off worse when being compared to a lunatic!


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Ronnie is in trouble. 8-5 down to an amateur Shocked
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Ronnie is in trouble. 8-5 down to an amateur Shocked
 
Not watching it but if he's playing in any way like he was yesterday he's done. Looked like he didn't want to be there and consistently missed shots he'd normally knock in with his eyes closed.

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Ronnie only wakes up when it gets past noon. 8-8.
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He is still in trouble! He shouldn’t have taken on that red.
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Poor choice of shot from such an experienced player and at such a vital time. He had to hit a red or lose the frame. Ronnie so had him under the cosh.
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Ronnie's amazing break of 42 was like Alex Higgins at his best. Unlucky to knock in the red when he went into the pack, but not sure he had to play the shot as hard, making it more risky. Ouch
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Ronnie looking like a lad coming off a week of back to back night shifts. Looks absolutely knackered.


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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Ronnie looking like a lad coming off a week of back to back night shifts. Looks absolutely knackered.


He doesn't like right at all. Looked like he had just woken up after a bag of sleeping pills.
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Fair play to him, he did an interview after. Basically said he hadn't been sleeping at all, legs and arms heavy. He did look like utter sh*te. Could be an outside stress thing or could just be a few days bug. Bit of a pity as if it was just a bug, he could have been flying it by next week. As much as it's great to see such an upset, it's not the same tournament unless O'Sullivan is in around the quarters or semis at least.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Fair play to him, he did an interview after. Basically said he hadn't been sleeping at all, legs and arms heavy. He did look like utter sh*te. Could be an outside stress thing or could just be a few days bug. Bit of a pity as if it was just a bug, he could have been flying it by next week. As much as it's great to see such an upset, it's not the same tournament unless O'Sullivan is in around the quarters or semis at least.
It's also not an upset that's particularly worth celebrating as O'Sullivan was clearly such a diminished force. Certainly from what I saw yesterday at least Cahill was no great shakes - O'Sullivan just kept giving him chances and caring very little about doing so. But yeah as you say the tournament tends to suffer greatly with his absence.
 
 
 

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Trump will never have a better chance.

I'm thinking the same about Allen !
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Trump will never have a better chance.
 
He could make snooker great again
 
 
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