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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted

From Dan McDonnell's indo piece today. 

"Nations League double-headers are marked down for September, October and November and calling them off would pose difficulties as the lucrative centralised TV contract which benefits every member nation is based on those fixtures being played." 
Are UEFA that bothered about the nations? Their main aim is to keep the big five leagues and their top teams happy, not the nations. 
They may well play the NL, of course, but all they are concerned about is the CL and the leagues allowed to win it.

It's intrinsically linked to the centralised TV deal with big penalties if thet're not played so yeah, I reckon so.

Is it just your opinion they're not or are you basing it on anything you're reading or hearing?
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted

From Dan McDonnell's indo piece today. 

"Nations League double-headers are marked down for September, October and November and calling them off would pose difficulties as the lucrative centralised TV contract which benefits every member nation is based on those fixtures being played." 
Are UEFA that bothered about the nations? Their main aim is to keep the big five leagues and their top teams happy, not the nations. 
They may well play the NL, of course, but all they are concerned about is the CL and the leagues allowed to win it.

It's intrinsically linked to the centralised TV deal with big penalties if thet're not played so yeah, I reckon so.

Is it just your opinion they're not or are you basing it on anything you're reading or hearing?
Just my opinion, but I have seen others agree. In fact, I have seen people talk about scrapping the Euros too. In fairness, many of those share my grievances about the shambolic nature of it, a nature I feel was deliberate. Either way, I think the Euros will definitely go ahead.

Regarding the penalties, they  would be la lot less than what they would make from finishing this season's CL and having a full one next season. UEFA will not want the penalties, but once the big clubs point out their concerns, particularly regarding the number of  fixtures, I expect them to acquiesce.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted

From Dan McDonnell's indo piece today. 

"Nations League double-headers are marked down for September, October and November and calling them off would pose difficulties as the lucrative centralised TV contract which benefits every member nation is based on those fixtures being played." 
Are UEFA that bothered about the nations? Their main aim is to keep the big five leagues and their top teams happy, not the nations. 
They may well play the NL, of course, but all they are concerned about is the CL and the leagues allowed to win it.

It's intrinsically linked to the centralised TV deal with big penalties if thet're not played so yeah, I reckon so.

Is it just your opinion they're not or are you basing it on anything you're reading or hearing?
Just my opinion, but I have seen others agree. In fact, I have seen people talk about scrapping the Euros too. In fairness, many of those share my grievances about the shambolic nature of it, a nature I feel was deliberate. Either way, I think the Euros will definitely go ahead.

Regarding the penalties, they  would be la lot less than what they would make from finishing this season's CL and having a full one next season. UEFA will not want the penalties, but once the big clubs point out their concerns, particularly regarding the number of  fixtures, I expect them to acquiesce.

Apples and oranges though. Bulk of CL money foes to the clubs, the centralised TV deal for internationals goes directly to the members.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted

From Dan McDonnell's indo piece today. 

"Nations League double-headers are marked down for September, October and November and calling them off would pose difficulties as the lucrative centralised TV contract which benefits every member nation is based on those fixtures being played." 
Are UEFA that bothered about the nations? Their main aim is to keep the big five leagues and their top teams happy, not the nations. 
They may well play the NL, of course, but all they are concerned about is the CL and the leagues allowed to win it.

It's intrinsically linked to the centralised TV deal with big penalties if thet're not played so yeah, I reckon so.

Is it just your opinion they're not or are you basing it on anything you're reading or hearing?
Just my opinion, but I have seen others agree. In fact, I have seen people talk about scrapping the Euros too. In fairness, many of those share my grievances about the shambolic nature of it, a nature I feel was deliberate. Either way, I think the Euros will definitely go ahead.

Regarding the penalties, they  would be la lot less than what they would make from finishing this season's CL and having a full one next season. UEFA will not want the penalties, but once the big clubs point out their concerns, particularly regarding the number of  fixtures, I expect them to acquiesce.

Apples and oranges though. Bulk of CL money foes to the clubs, the centralised TV deal for internationals goes directly to the members.
Yes, but the clubs hold far more power. The national associations can't really break away, and while the clubs have no real intention to do so, not when they are calling the shots, they still have that threat. Since they initially threatened to go their own way, UEFA have bent over backwards to accommodate them. 
Add to that the last Euros, held ever four years, generated less than last season's CL and you can see which way the balls are weighted. The members know that if they want to keep getting their share of the honeypot that they have to keep the clubs happy. Losing the NL would be a small price in the current climate. It is also worth remembering that attendances haven't been up much, for most nations at least, on friendlies, so the only factor is the television deal. I reckon finishing this CL and having a full one next season, or as close to it as possible, whenever that may be, will require breaks where NL games or friendlies may take place. Even at that, clubs would have less of an objection to the friendlies as it is easier to pull players out.

Having made this argument, I know fully expect the NL to go ahead as planned and the CL to be reduced.LOL
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UEFA planned to play the 2022/23 nations league in June and September of 2022. The World Cup playoffs are scheduled for March 2022. In June there would be 4 nations league games and the final 2 games would take place in September. There is no international break in October 2022. I just wanted to point this out as people seem to think there is lots of extra space in the international football calendar because the World Cup takes place in November 2022. There really isn’t. Either way I cannot see both the 2020/21 and 2022/23 nations leagues taking place.

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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted
NR , i would say just about anything is off the table right now . Now where we will be in six months time is anyones guess .

Exactly, arguing over possible scenarios is pointless. No one knows how it's gonna be in the next few weeks let alone months ahead, second wave of infections, new lockdown measures. Different countries been affected worse than others etc etc 


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