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I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.

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I am looking forward to Kenny taking over but mick has unfinished business here and should be allowed to see it through if he chooses to IMO 
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FAI will do whatever is cheaper, and despite it being presented to the public as a 'choice' between the 2 managers, by the time football comes back and given existing their finances were in tatters before this ever happened, there won't be much of a choice in reality. 

On the surface of it, you would think that means likely be appointing Kenny. Only way I could see that not happening is if the ''exit bonus'' that McCarthy has was to be restructured as a year's payment instead, rather than him getting that lump in July or whatever, they continue to pay him for the year and see out the Euros. Mick would effectively be working a year for free, given he presumably gets paid his bonus one way or another. 

His agents and financial people would be telling him not to go for any option like that, but if he really was determined to see out the campaign, something like that may be the only way he gets to stay on.

Government monies promised (and this goes for any given sector or Government Department) will likely be heavily revised after a couple of emergency budgets too, just about the only certainty out of this is that the FAI will no longer be able to afford paying McCarthy his inflated salary, or pay anyone else that type of money either. Rather than a simple pick of 2 managers, I think that is the real choice the FAI are left with, either persuade Mick to take a huge pay cut, or leave him go. 




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Interesting insights as always deise, it may be prove more complex as Mick would very likely be on some performance bonuses too. Bonus for qualifying, bonus for getting out of the group stages etc etc.

Given that he may not be given the opportunity to deliver on those bonuses, should the also be presented? 

Considering the financial turmoil if mick had some compassion for the situation it would be a good gesture to forgo such monies.
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I think Mick has to go one way or the other.

Can’t afford his salary without doubt, firstly.

Secondly, I am assuming the playoffs are this time next year, he will have no motivation to blood any new players (good chance we  would see the same team start last week had it gone ahead as will next March fitness permitting), Kenny will have missed out on an ideal warmup (assuming 6 Nations league matches go ahead) for the World Cup qualifiers which he has already been appointed to take control for, and we are playing catch up simply due to sentiment caused by a mad deal struck by none other than the poison of Irish football.

Mick is part of the old FAI - brought in as a short term fix to quieten the anti FAI sentiment and draw us to a Euros to polish JDs ego at any price to the detriment of Irish football in the long term. Time to move on. Mick was blessed to get the gig - if the revelations had come out 6 months earlier; different kettle of fish. Mick’s had his chance 


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Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

I think Mick has to go one way or the other.

Can’t afford his salary without doubt, firstly.

Secondly, I am assuming the playoffs are this time next year, he will have no motivation to blood any new players (good chance we  would see the same team start last week had it gone ahead as will next March fitness permitting), Kenny will have missed out on an ideal warmup (assuming 6 Nations league matches go ahead) for the World Cup qualifiers which he has already been appointed to take control for, and we are playing catch up simply due to sentiment caused by a mad deal struck by none other than the poison of Irish football.

Mick is part of the old FAI - brought in as a short term fix to quieten the anti FAI sentiment and draw us to a Euros to polish JDs ego at any price to the detriment of Irish football in the long term. Time to move on. Mick was blessed to get the gig - if the revelations had come out 6 months earlier; different kettle of fish. Mick’s had his chance 

You were doing the usual ho-hum rubbishing of McCarthy until the last paragraph. You then imply he is "part of the old FAI" and, as such, Delaney's stooge. Cheap, untrue and possibly libellous. Whatever your reservations about McCarthy's managerial abilities, I'm disappointed you choose to drag him into that depth of mud despite your commentary on the Delaney fiasco on other threads being fair and credible. 


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False. McCarthy was signed on a multi million Euro salary, likely the last one for the foreseeable future, and in relative terms hopefully ever, because Irish football under Delaney was living beyond its means. He was a benefactor of the old FAI.

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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

I think Mick has to go one way or the other.

Can’t afford his salary without doubt, firstly.

Secondly, I am assuming the playoffs are this time next year, he will have no motivation to blood any new players (good chance we  would see the same team start last week had it gone ahead as will next March fitness permitting), Kenny will have missed out on an ideal warmup (assuming 6 Nations league matches go ahead) for the World Cup qualifiers which he has already been appointed to take control for, and we are playing catch up simply due to sentiment caused by a mad deal struck by none other than the poison of Irish football.

Mick is part of the old FAI - brought in as a short term fix to quieten the anti FAI sentiment and draw us to a Euros to polish JDs ego at any price to the detriment of Irish football in the long term. Time to move on. Mick was blessed to get the gig - if the revelations had come out 6 months earlier; different kettle of fish. Mick’s had his chance 

You were doing the usual ho-hum rubbishing of McCarthy until the last paragraph. You then imply he is "part of the old FAI" and, as such, Delaney's stooge. Cheap, untrue and possibly libellous. Whatever your reservations about McCarthy's managerial abilities, I'm disappointed you choose to drag him into that depth of mud despite your commentary on the Delaney fiasco on other threads being fair and credible. 

I didn't take that from what he said took. When you look at it in reality Mick's contract is a perfect example of how the old  fai operated throwing money at the problem when in reality they couldn't afford it. Just look at the parting gift that's included in the contract for any evidence needed

None of that's a direct attack on Mick McCarthy but it's reality that the situation we find ourselves in with the managerial contracts is testimony to how the old fai operated Delaney didn't want to risk not qualifying for the euros because that was going to be another key part of his legacy
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Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

False. McCarthy was signed on a multi million Euro salary, likely the last one for the foreseeable future, and in relative terms hopefully ever, because Irish football under Delaney was living beyond its means. He was a benefactor of the old FAI.

How can anyone possibly dispute that?

So Mick McCarthy should have refused the deal on the basis it offered him too much? He should have demanded his accountants scrutinise FAI finances to determine if it was living beyond its means and that his salary would make him a "benefactor"? 

A part of the old FAI? What does that mean and imply? 

He got a good deal and he took it! What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you? 

And how do you know who he would have selected last week and again next year? He's being lashed two pages back for a match played in a poster's imagination and now for teams he didn't pick last week but might pick next year. 
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The FAI have been paying managers beyond their means for years, even with the help of tax dodgers! Have a look at what other small football nations pay their managers.
No disrespect to Mick, but he is being massively overplayed.
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Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

I think Mick has to go one way or the other.

Can’t afford his salary without doubt, firstly.

Secondly, I am assuming the playoffs are this time next year, he will have no motivation to blood any new players (good chance we  would see the same team start last week had it gone ahead as will next March fitness permitting), Kenny will have missed out on an ideal warmup (assuming 6 Nations league matches go ahead) for the World Cup qualifiers which he has already been appointed to take control for, and we are playing catch up simply due to sentiment caused by a mad deal struck by none other than the poison of Irish football.

Mick is part of the old FAI - brought in as a short term fix to quieten the anti FAI sentiment and draw us to a Euros to polish JDs ego at any price to the detriment of Irish football in the long term. Time to move on. Mick was blessed to get the gig - if the revelations had come out 6 months earlier; different kettle of fish. Mick’s had his chance 

You were doing the usual ho-hum rubbishing of McCarthy until the last paragraph. You then imply he is "part of the old FAI" and, as such, Delaney's stooge. Cheap, untrue and possibly libellous. Whatever your reservations about McCarthy's managerial abilities, I'm disappointed you choose to drag him into that depth of mud despite your commentary on the Delaney fiasco on other threads being fair and credible. 

I didn't take that from what he said took. When you look at it in reality Mick's contract is a perfect example of how the old  fai operated throwing money at the problem when in reality they couldn't afford it. Just look at the parting gift that's included in the contract for any evidence needed

None of that's a direct attack on Mick McCarthy but it's reality that the situation we find ourselves in with the managerial contracts is testimony to how the old fai operated Delaney didn't want to risk not qualifying for the euros because that was going to be another key part of his legacy

So Delaney considered he eliminated the risk of not qualifying by appointing Mick McCarthy on a big salary? That's a long bow. Even Mick's biggest fans would shy from that. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted

From Dan McDonnell's indo piece today. 

"Nations League double-headers are marked down for September, October and November and calling them off would pose difficulties as the lucrative centralised TV contract which benefits every member nation is based on those fixtures being played." 
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Bit of chatter going round of triple headers in October and November in order to leave the NL as is and tack the semi finals on in October and the finals in November. Not sure how that would work, Slovakia v Ireland Wednesday 7th October and our NL games the following Saturday and Tuesday stay as they are?
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I agree regarding the winter World Cup, but the NL isn’t a priority and won’t be seen as such. Next season, however it runs, is likely to be shorter anyway, but given what is paid for the rights in (some) leagues they will always be put ahead of the NL by broadcasters.
 
The NL in the grand scheme of things isn't a high priority but they have currently have an agreed schedule of dates covering all UEFA members and 200 odd games over 3 periods  that they can flog the TV rights to and even UEFA in the present climate will want the revenue especially as the euros were postponed  .
 
For the playoffs they need to accommodate 16 teams for 12 matches which could all happen on any Thurs/Tues
either the clubs allow they players to be released and the leagues continue
UEFA force the clubs to release their players and the league continues
or the leagues are shelved for that weekend ( compromise maybe during a 'winter break' as not all clubs will be affected nor are there any big names in the playoffs)
 
really hope the NL dates aren't shifted

From Dan McDonnell's indo piece today. 

"Nations League double-headers are marked down for September, October and November and calling them off would pose difficulties as the lucrative centralised TV contract which benefits every member nation is based on those fixtures being played." 
Are UEFA that bothered about the nations? Their main aim is to keep the big five leagues and their top teams happy, not the nations. 
They may well play the NL, of course, but all they are concerned about is the CL and the leagues allowed to win it.
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Financial considerations will dictate what happens and on that basis I'd expect Kenny to take over.
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