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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

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f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago



No our footballers are worse as we had a golden generation during the 80s.  

France have a better team now than they did in the late 80s early 90s.  So do Portugal and Finland and a few others. 


Nah.  Football worldwide is of a lesser standard that 30 years ago. 

It's clearly just not, Ireland may not have as good a team, by by most other measures the game is miles ahead. Maradona was the superstar footballer in the mid-80's, but as incredible as he was his record doesn't come close to the greatest players of this generation, Messi and Ronaldo.

They are both much more disciplined players that look after themselves better but Maradona was playing in a completely different era. In terms of natural ability, he'd have thrived in today's game like Messi and Ronaldo as he'd have more of an awareness of the media/social media, advised better etc etc 

Not to mention the hatchet men he faced week in/out, the lack of protection from refs and what constituted a yellow back then would be a 3 match ban now. 

hate the comparison tbh as it's fairly imcomparable.
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Cmon lads, the modern players today are athletes of the highest calibre. 

Gone are the days of Paul Merson, Tony Adams right down to George Best who played still drunk from the night before....
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the champions league knockouts for the last 10 years have been as good as sports gets. 
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So, modern attackers are better than previously, despite the rule changes that greatly benefit them, because of the stats, but modern defenders are worse than previously; so the modern game must be better.

Can you see what might be wrong with this theorem?

Anyway, point is, you can't really fairly compare different eras in football.

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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Cmon lads, the modern players today are athletes of the highest calibre. 

Gone are the days of Paul Merson, Tony Adams right down to George Best who played still drunk from the night before....


Athletes maybe but not better.  Tony Adams would be a top defender today. 
Merson was decent but not great.  What about Cantona, Ginola, Rush, Aldridge, Barnes, Gazza, Robson, Irwin, Moran, Lineker, Hughes...

And look at the likes of defenders now. David Luiz.  A joke.  50 million a few years back.  Neymar.  Modern players are better conditioned but worse technically, mentally and physically as in toughness.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Cmon lads, the modern players today are athletes of the highest calibre. 

Gone are the days of Paul Merson, Tony Adams right down to George Best who played still drunk from the night before....


Athletes maybe but not better.  Tony Adams would be a top defender today. 
Merson was decent but not great.  What about Cantona, Ginola, Rush, Aldridge, Barnes, Gazza, Robson, Irwin, Moran, Lineker, Hughes...

And look at the likes of defenders now. David Luiz.  A joke.  50 million a few years back.  Neymar.  Modern players are better conditioned but worse technically, mentally and physically as in toughness.

That's bullsh*t.

David Luiz is far better technically than Adams ever was? Just he's not very good at defending.
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A simple glance at the technical ability of the elite modern keeper Ederson, Allison, Neuer, Ter Stegen etc and how comfort they are with the ball at their feet will highlight how far advanced they are from years gone by.

Clubs nowadays have countless players in their squad who are comfortable with the ball at the feet in the top divisions, this was most definitely not the case in the 80s/90s. 

Long ball was king back then, the fact that possession based football is king in the modern game will tell you why the modern player is far better technically. 
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David Luiz is a joke of a player.   A defender who is bad at defending.  Says it all.  Might as well have a kettle that can't boil water.

Sure he can pass it better than Adams but I know who I'd rather have in my team.  Why don't you pick a player like Maldini to compare him to
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

David Luiz is a joke of a player.   A defender who is bad at defending.  Says it all.  Might as well have a kettle that can't boil water.

Sure he can pass it better than Adams but I know who I'd rather have in my team.  Why don't you pick a player like Maldini to compare him to

But that wasn't the argument, we were talking about their technical ability and it's fairly obvious he's better technically than Adams ever was?

I also highlighted a few posts up, that the calibre of the modern day defender is poor in comparison to yesteryear. 


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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago



No our footballers are worse as we had a golden generation during the 80s.  

France have a better team now than they did in the late 80s early 90s.  So do Portugal and Finland and a few others. 


Nah.  Football worldwide is of a lesser standard that 30 years ago. 

It's clearly just not, Ireland may not have as good a team, by by most other measures the game is miles ahead. Maradona was the superstar footballer in the mid-80's, but as incredible as he was his record doesn't come close to the greatest players of this generation, Messi and Ronaldo.

They are both much more disciplined players that look after themselves better but Maradona was playing in a completely different era. In terms of natural ability, he'd have thrived in today's game like Messi and Ronaldo as he'd have more of an awareness of the media/social media, advised better etc etc 

Not to mention the hatchet men he faced week in/out, the lack of protection from refs and what constituted a yellow back then would be a 3 match ban now. 

hate the comparison tbh as it's fairly imcomparable.

You're right, it isn't comparable. Even when Maradona was playing in Argentina, he didn't get close to averaging a goal a game. By contrast, Ronaldo and Messi averaged more than a goal a game over the course of many years in what was, at the time, the best league in the world. 

From a purists point of view, perhaps football was more exciting and "off the cuff" 30 years ago; but I don't think people realise just how ruthlessly efficient top footballers today are. In an all round sense, they simply wipe the floor with what came before them.


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Harry Maguire for 80 million.

Imagine how much it would cost to land Franz Beckenbauer nowadays?
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Harry Maguire for 80 million.

Imagine how much it would cost to land Franz Beckenbauer nowadays?

Players can't really help how much clubs pay for them, also the whole world knows that the money thrown about in transfer fees/wages is beyond ridiculous and shouldn't be used as the sole barometer when judging them on ability. 
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Going back to an earlier point, modern players are weaker physically and mentally (not talkign about poser 6 packs and gym bods)
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Harry Maguire for 80 million.

Imagine how much it would cost to land Franz Beckenbauer nowadays?

F**k all, considering he’s 75.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Harry Maguire for 80 million.

Imagine how much it would cost to land Franz Beckenbauer nowadays?

F**k all, considering he’s 75.

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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Cmon lads, the modern players today are athletes of the highest calibre. 

Gone are the days of Paul Merson, Tony Adams right down to George Best who played still drunk from the night before....


Athletes maybe but not better.  Tony Adams would be a top defender today. 
Merson was decent but not great.  What about Cantona, Ginola, Rush, Aldridge, Barnes, Gazza, Robson, Irwin, Moran, Lineker, Hughes...

And look at the likes of defenders now. David Luiz.  A joke.  50 million a few years back.  Neymar.  Modern players are better conditioned but worse technically, mentally and physically as in toughness.

If you talk to someone who thinks Neymar is a useless show pony and not in the top 5 players on earth it’s a great indicator to remove anything this person says about football immediately from your mind, even as they say it.
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Neymar is a fool and is the poster boy of the modern footballer.
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Messi, Pique etc offered to change contract entitlements to fund getting Neymar back to Barca but yeah, you’d know better sure.
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