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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Gashley Grimes Gashley Grimes wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

the implication in your post is that hoof ball is pragmatic and gets us wins and passing ends in defeats.  

We lack a finisher whether we play hoof ball or pass it from the back.  We are more likely to create better chances with passing football in my view.  Hoofball is likely to produce half chances that neee a Robbie to finish 

Well you obviously misread it football is a results business...what I suggested is I would have reluctantly sat through the hoofball sh*te hence wink for a victory and not this depressive feeling.

The crux here is McCarthy's complete negativity against Georgia(away) when a victory would have put us in the driving seat.
Shame really the FAI hadn't the balls to introduce Kenny from the start.

As a fellow Tallaght man I salute him...but I just hope we find a striker to go with his style of football and the D4 hacks give him time.




Depressive feeling LOL once again OTT language being used on here to describe being disappointed after a football match.  

Let’s have a bit more respect for words and depressive feelings in relation to fans response to football results do not match.  

We are all disappointed with the way the penalties went.  Not much Kenny could have done about that other than made a sub just before the end to bring on a dedicated peno taker.  Not sure if there was one left on the bench.  Does Jack Byrne ever take penalties. 
Didn't he miss one in a shoot-out recently? I do think that bringing someone to take a penalty is a good idea. It must give the lad great belief in scoring that the manager brings him on for that reason.
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Hummmm very good debates on this thread i must say which comes down to modern football v hoof and hope as some would see . Sean Dyche has very good views on the subject kind of play to your strengths , there is room for more than one type of football and so on . 
If we would have won on Thursday everyone would be happy but not to be . 
It is all about results if you think different then you are a fool , managers will only be given so much time now how long is the length is a good question . 
 Stan wanted 4 years to turn  things around , lets face it if he was given 40 years he still would not have got it right . 
I think Kenny will be given the World Cup Quals to find results now if we find that we have 1 point after 5 games where we were " unlucky " he will be gone and with no money in the back the FAI will hire Roddy , hey he will be cheap Wink 
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Murph anyone who relies on the result of a peno shout out to realise if Kenny is doing the right thing or not is a clown.  

They talk about small margins but deciding your strategy and how you are going to approach the future on the basis of if you win a peno shootout or not is madness.  


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Gashley Grimes Gashley Grimes wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

the implication in your post is that hoof ball is pragmatic and gets us wins and passing ends in defeats.  

We lack a finisher whether we play hoof ball or pass it from the back.  We are more likely to create better chances with passing football in my view.  Hoofball is likely to produce half chances that neee a Robbie to finish 

Well you obviously misread it football is a results business...what I suggested is I would have reluctantly sat through the hoofball sh*te hence wink for a victory and not this depressive feeling.

The crux here is McCarthy's complete negativity against Georgia(away) when a victory would have put us in the driving seat.
Shame really the FAI hadn't the balls to introduce Kenny from the start.

As a fellow Tallaght man I salute him...but I just hope we find a striker to go with his style of football and the D4 hacks give him time.




Depressive feeling LOL once again OTT language being used on here to describe being disappointed after a football match.  

Let’s have a bit more respect for words and depressive feelings in relation to fans response to football results do not match.  

We are all disappointed with the way the penalties went.  Not much Kenny could have done about that other than made a sub just before the end to bring on a dedicated peno taker.  Not sure if there was one left on the bench.  Does Jack Byrne ever take penalties. 

If you knew anything about football you'd know it should never have came down to the lottery that is penalties.

What are you banging on about words? Who are you? Hemingway!! LOL 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Murph anyone who relies on the result of a peno shout out to realise if Kenny is doing the right thing or not is a clown.  

They talk about small margins but deciding your strategy and how you are going to approach the future on the basis of if you win a peno shootout or not is madness.  


No Baldie you are missing the point , one goal in 3 games and we are unlucky 3 goals say in the next 7 games what would you call that ?

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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Murph anyone who relies on the result of a peno shout out to realise if Kenny is doing the right thing or not is a clown.  

They talk about small margins but deciding your strategy and how you are going to approach the future on the basis of if you win a peno shootout or not is madness.  


No Baldie you are missing the point , one goal in 3 games and we are unlucky 3 goals say in the next 7 games what would you call that ?

HOW MUCH TIME WILL YOU GIVE KENNY

Results Results Results 

I have answered that question a couple of times already.   To the end of the WC campaign.   That is obvious.  

How many goals did we have after jacks first 3 games and how many did we have after micks first 3 games. 

We had 3 after Jacks,  we had zero after Micks first 3 games. 3 after Stand and similar for Trap and O.Neill. 


So it’s a meaningless stat and does not show how successful a manager is going to be.  

You have made your mind up here regardless of what happens.   

Kenny will be judged at the end of the WC campaign and if we qualify or make the playoffs it will be a success. Simple at that.  If he comes 4th or 5th it will be a failure.   If he comes 3rd there will be arguments on both sides.   To be judging 3 games in to his reign is madness.  Your judgment is clouded by the fact you are pissed off that you are getting close to giving up the trips and this is another tournament we won’t be at.  As a result all objective analysis has gone out the window and your emotion has taken over. 



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Originally posted by Gashley Grimes Gashley Grimes wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Gashley Grimes Gashley Grimes wrote:

[QUOTE=Baldrick]the implication in your post is that hoof ball is pragmatic and gets us wins and passing ends in defeats.  

We lack a finisher whether we play hoof ball or pass it from the back.  We are more likely to create better chances with passing football in my view.  Hoofball is likely to produce half chances that neee a Robbie to finish 

Well you obviously misread it football is a results business...what I suggested is I would have reluctantly sat through the hoofball sh*te hence wink for a victory and not this depressive feeling.

The crux here is McCarthy's complete negativity against Georgia(away) when a victory would have put us in the driving seat.
Shame really the FAI hadn't the balls to introduce Kenny from the start.

As a fellow Tallaght man I salute him...but I just hope we find a striker to go with his style of football and the D4 hacks give him time.




Depressive feeling LOL once again OTT language being used on here to describe being disappointed after a football match.  

Let’s have a bit more respect for words and depressive feelings in relation to fans response to football results do not match.  

We are all disappointed with the way the penalties went.  Not much Kenny could have done about that other than made a sub just before the end to bring on a dedicated peno taker.  Not sure if there was one left on the bench.  Does Jack Byrne ever take penalties. 

If you knew anything about football you'd know it should never have came down to the lottery that is penalties.

What are you banging on about words? Who are you? Hemingway!! LOL 
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No maybe let’s use the word depression and depressive feeling to actually depression and depressive feelings rather than being pissed off about a football result. 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Gashley Grimes Gashley Grimes wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Gashley Grimes Gashley Grimes wrote:

[QUOTE=Baldrick]the implication in your post is that hoof ball is pragmatic and gets us wins and passing ends in defeats.  

We lack a finisher whether we play hoof ball or pass it from the back.  We are more likely to create better chances with passing football in my view.  Hoofball is likely to produce half chances that neee a Robbie to finish 

Well you obviously misread it football is a results business...what I suggested is I would have reluctantly sat through the hoofball sh*te hence wink for a victory and not this depressive feeling.

The crux here is McCarthy's complete negativity against Georgia(away) when a victory would have put us in the driving seat.
Shame really the FAI hadn't the balls to introduce Kenny from the start.

As a fellow Tallaght man I salute him...but I just hope we find a striker to go with his style of football and the D4 hacks give him time.




Depressive feeling LOL once again OTT language being used on here to describe being disappointed after a football match.  

Let’s have a bit more respect for words and depressive feelings in relation to fans response to football results do not match.  

We are all disappointed with the way the penalties went.  Not much Kenny could have done about that other than made a sub just before the end to bring on a dedicated peno taker.  Not sure if there was one left on the bench.  Does Jack Byrne ever take penalties. 

If you knew anything about football you'd know it should never have came down to the lottery that is penalties.

What are you banging on about words? Who are you? Hemingway!! LOL 
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No maybe let’s use the word depression and depressive feeling to actually depression and depressive feelings rather than being pissed off about a football result. 
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Mick would have taken your hand off for a penalty shootout in Bratislava!
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I am a fan of Kenny.  But if he loses these 2 games coming up there will be a lot of pressure on him

Who will we replace him with? Hello is Mick there? Stick with him and we will come good. Im sure of it.

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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

The comments on here are something to behold. 

We are more likely to win games playing football! This is why teams with players playing at lower levels than ours are leaving us behind.

Playing against every team we play with 40 yard long balls is as predictable as much as anything and teams have figured out how to play against us with ease.

We need to hold on to the ball and create chances not hope a defender fails to read a long ball after 100 attempts.

Our players play better for their club teams than for ireland and I include Coleman, Doherty and Stevens in that. We need to catch up and play modern football.



That isn't true necessarily.

If we go toe to toe with stronger players than us then we will get destroyed. 

I'd rather adopt a pragmatic approach and eliminate mistakes than try to play a styles that won't work unless we are playing inferior opposition.
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Hamsik ability to hit corners with either peg very impressive. 

Shouldn't most professionals be able to take a corner with both feet?

This should be the norm.

Naturally most players will be stronger on one side than the other but they should be able to strike a dead ball effectively with both feet.
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Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

there are encouraging signs with Kenny but we need to be able to build pressure on opponents. We didn’t on Thursday. All the games chances were at least 10 mins apart. Ireland could go 15-20 mins without a good chance. In football the teams that score regularly are the ones that produce chance flurries where the pressure overcomes the opposition. We should have won but we need to shoot more.

Ireland didn't create a shot on target for 70 minutes on Thursday.

This is a gruesome stat for a team that is being lauded for playing "progressive" football against mediocre opposition.
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Originally posted by orourkeda orourkeda wrote:

Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

there are encouraging signs with Kenny but we need to be able to build pressure on opponents. We didn’t on Thursday. All the games chances were at least 10 mins apart. Ireland could go 15-20 mins without a good chance. In football the teams that score regularly are the ones that produce chance flurries where the pressure overcomes the opposition. We should have won but we need to shoot more.

Ireland didn't create a shot on target for 70 minutes on Thursday.

This is a gruesome stat for a team that is being lauded for playing "progressive" football against mediocre opposition.

It’s not good. I can’t remember a shot off target in the first 30 mins. Maybe there was one I’m forgetting. There was a good chance in the first half with a shot across goal that a Slovakian cut out that would have been a goal if it wasn’t. 
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Interesting debate over "Winning Football" vs "Attractive Football".

I've not seen nearly enough of Kenny's games to tell whether he's on the right track or not, and even if I did, it's not my team, so not my business.

But as regards my own team, whilst I would obviously like at least one of the options on offer and ideally both, tbh I don't demand either.

That is because all I really want from my team is that all eleven players show the same commitment and enthusiasm as the supporters in the stands, whilst playing for a manager who is organised, knows what he wants and can motivate the players to go for it.

A team to be proud of, if you like.

Anything else, whether it be entertaining football and/or victory, is a bonus.


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Interesting perspective as always territorial. 

I'm not sure it is a case of winning vs attractive football. I think we can still win ugly and play with the ball on the floor. 

For me the last decade has seen ireland play some very predictable football to the point that the opposition know exactly what we are going to do in a game before a ball is kicked.

Couple that with the lack of any sort of plan B whatsoever... id be very interested if someone could correct me on that.

Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have limited resources as Republic of Ireland do and are leaving us behind in terms of progress.

For me, watching ireland play under Trap, O'Neil and Mccarthy has been painful to watch with very limited success. 

The Slovakia game as a result hurts a lot but I feel this could be the potential to something better in the long term.
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Nobody talking about the fact that Connolly and Idah didn't sit in their allocated seats for the flight? Wouldn't have been close to the positive test if they had. Absolute farce.  
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Nobody talking about the fact that Connolly and Idah didn't sit in their allocated seats for the flight? Wouldn't have been close to the positive test if they had. Absolute farce.  


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