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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

The Premier League bubble will burst. I read yesterday that in their latest deal, sky are paying £11M per game. That is crazy money and not sustainable. My interest in the EPL has seriously declined over the past 5 years. I have next to no interest in watching Southampton v Everton, WBA v Swansea and other such dross. I'll watch the big games and most but not all of the Chelsea games. I've more interest in the Spanish league now. I'd watch every Barca game than I can and would watch Real Madrid most weeks as well. Probably the only reason I still have Sky Sports is the Spanish League coverage.
Imo you're confusing the Product (EPL) and the Medium (SKY etc).

Now it may be that SKY are feeling the pinch, but that will primarily be down to BT. Either they'll see them off, like they did Maxwell, or they won't and BT will fill the void and keep the money flowing in.

Next, there's illegal streaming. Again, the subscription channels will either find a way of countering them or they won't. If they don't, then there will certainly be less money going to the EPL, probably much less.

But exactly the same will apply to La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga etc, meaning less money for world football overall, until they all learn to cut their cloth accordingly and settle down to living within their means. (It was the same for FL clubs after ITV Digital* collapsed.)

So that if the current huge amounts of money flowing from the satellite companies diminshes - it will never disappear completely - then the EPL will still have the most attractive "product" (yuck) in the world's biggest sports market. And all the other big Leagues will be be forced to try to compete with them, regardless of how many noughts are on the end of the cheques.

And whether people like it or not, there is still no sign of the EPL being toppled as the "biggest" player out there.

P.S. You say you have no interest eg in Soton v Everton. But the point is that subscribers are effectively getting those games for free - SKY and BT are only really shelling out to get MU, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arse etc, but the EPL demands that they must also televise the other clubs too. And tbh, the broadcasters need something to fill their schedules 24/7, the Big Clubs don't play often enough, and those other games are still preferable to Darts/Greyhounds/Legends Football etc.



* - Btw, ITV Digital is NOT a lesson for SKY/EPL, since their "product" (FL) was never going to be competitive. The ITV maketing guys were idiots.


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Just imagine Sky TV, The English Premier League, and Rangers FC (Sevco) all went bust on the same day.
 
The Rest of the World forum would spontaneously ejaculate itself to death, as we all dream of a world were we can all watch the Bundesliga for free on ITV4, where fans get a season ticket for £27.50, working out at just 69 pence per game.
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

The wages people are paid in Germany/Spain for top leagues are much more reasonable, as are the subscriptions to those channels.
Don't you think that the big German/Spanish clubs would would charge their "customers" (yuck) more for admission/replica kits/ commercial etc if they could get it? And the Satellite guys the same?

The fact is, the English domestic football market is far bigger in financial terms than either Spain or Germany (also more widely divided amongst the clubs). In other words, English people both have the money, and will pay it, in order to get their football "fix", whether that comes in ticket prices, commercial marketing or media subscriptions etc.

And that's only domestically.  Worldwide, for all the attraction of a handful of clubs like RM/Barca/Bayern/Juve, nowhere comes close to the EPL in terms of interest and commercialism.

A decade or two ago, I'd have said the big threat to English football was actually American sport, esp NFL, though they seem to have seen that off. Next up to have a go are the Chinese. But whilst their domestic market is potentially huge, it's hard to see how they could compete globally.

So whatever the prospects for SKY and the TV channels, it would be foolish to write off the power, influence and reach of the EPL.


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Spanish FA pay their teams based the amount of TV appearances so you cant compare.

Huddersfield will earn more than Athletico Madrid will this season. If Sky start bidding for less, then will so the amount teams earn and the leagues you mentioned start catching up
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

The wages people are paid in Germany/Spain for top leagues are much more reasonable, as are the subscriptions to those channels.
Don't you think that the big German/Spanish clubs would would charge their "customers" (yuck) more for admission/replica kits/ commercial etc if they could get it? And the Satellite guys the same?
Course they would. That's my point though, the Germans found their break even point and it's low. The English/Irish subscribers will find it soon. I've a feeling it will go down in the next round of bidding, certainly the UK rights, maybe not worldwide rights.

The title of the thread is a bit misleading as someone else said, Sky won't go bust, but a reduction in the price they pay, possibly with losing the PL rights for a season or two is possible
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Sky's feeder company NowTV hit record high number of buys last season for its Sky £7 a day pass. I think that model is the way to go from now on.


Charge a couple of quid for a HD pass to the individual game you actually want to watch would see a lot of illegal streamers come back to line sky or bts pockets.

The no commitment, no crappy streaming ads etc is a nice carrot to dangle

Some income is better than no income

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I honestly cannot wait for the day the EPL goes tits up and the bubble bursts. Will maybe bring football back to a normal level and none of this ridiculous 100m transfers, 300k a week type stuff. It's sickening
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How do you get Now TV?
Heard of it but never really knew how it worked. Can you get it on a sky digi-box with no sky sports package?
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

How do you get Now TV?
Heard of it but never really knew how it worked. Can you get it on a sky digi-box with no sky sports package?

You buy a NowTV set top box for £9.99 or most digital television's have NowTV integrated into it or all next-gen consoles - Xbox 1 and PS4 have working apps.

You basically have the basic catchup channels - iPlayer, Itvplayer, 40d etc etc.

Then you can pay either; 
£7 a day for 24 hours of Sky Sports
£5 a month for Kids TV channels
£5 a month for Sky Movies
or £5 a month for your generic popular TV channels - MTV, Sky 1, Dave, E4 etc.

It's a freeview box with a subscription basically, no contracts or anything. This model is probably the future of English football and British TV if you can't afford Virgin, Sky etc.


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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Spanish FA pay their teams based the amount of TV appearances so you cant compare.

Huddersfield will earn more than Athletico Madrid will this season. If Sky start bidding for less, then will so the amount teams earn and the leagues you mentioned start catching up
Regardless of how you divvy up the pot, if the overall size of the pot diminishes in England due eg to illegal streaming, the exact same will happen in Spain and Germany etc.

And at the end of it all, the English pot is still likely to be bigger than the others.

Arsene Wenger identified it a few years after he came to England, when he said there was no other country in the world where so many people were so interested in football. And with those people both having money (from the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world), and being prepared to spend it on football, it explains why eg Wenger has consistently been one of the highest paid managers in the world, even while Arsenal have been nowhere near the biggest or best club in the world.

If people want to know the basic health of English football, just compare their stadia with those of Spain or Italy (Germany is an exception). For all its iconic status, the Camp Nou is just a huge, tiered concrete bowl with hardly any cover, built in the 70's/80's. And it has minimal commercial/corporate facilities compared  eg with Old Trafford or the Emirates, which is why they are committing €600m over the next four years to re-build the stadium entirely. that is, to catch up on the rest of the Big Boys.

Or pop across town to Espanyol's new stadium. Certainly looks nice enough, but in the end, it's a cheap, soulless, identikit stadium in a retail park, which they can hardly fill - like eg The Macron in Bolton, only a bit bigger.

In a five years time, London alone will have more bigger, modern 21st century stadia than eg the whole of Italy put together.
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I think this argument that the English have the money and will pay it to be misleading, most of the money is foreign tv money for a start! Trying to find a pub with Sky these days is incredibly difficult, I live in a reasonable sized town and can only think of a few  places nearby, two of which are sports clubs. I would imagine that would reflect domestic sales, to an extent.  Add in the fact that around 1 million people who went to EPL games last year were 'football tourists' from abroad, which helps keep the ticket prices up. Anyone who has ever been anywhere like the '12 Pins' on a Saturday afternoon will have seen that.
It is foreign interest that has kept the EPL in the financial luxury it enjoys, much more than local and how it sells itself recognises that. It is really the international streaming market that would effect the EPL clubs more.

Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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Arsene Wenger identified it a few years after he came to England, when he said there was no other country in the world where so many people were so interested in football

I would disagree with that statement, based on my own experiences. The people that are interested in football are involved in it, either playing, coaching or as regular match goers. I find the casual interest to be quite limited, particular those of playing age. They are either players and fans, massive fans or have absolutely no interest at all.
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I honestly cannot wait for the day the EPL goes tits up and the bubble bursts. Will maybe bring football back to a normal level and none of this ridiculous 100m transfers, 300k a week type stuff. It's sickening
Then just watch the (English) Football League instead. Or the SPL. Or the League of Ireland. Or your local parks team.

There is plenty of "normal" football out there for people to watch if only they got off their holes to find it, instead of sitting on the sofa girning about the EPL.
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I honestly cannot wait for the day the EPL goes tits up and the bubble bursts. Will maybe bring football back to a normal level and none of this ridiculous 100m transfers, 300k a week type stuff. It's sickening
And half of it goes straight into the pockets of agents who are already thinking about the next deal they can engineer with 'fake news'. Absolute shysters! Angry
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I think this argument that the English have the money and will pay it to be misleading, most of the money is foreign tv money for a start!
In TV terms, you'll find that the domestic market is still some way bigger than the overseas market, esp when you add in FL, FA Cup and England internationals. Though the overseas market clearly offers greater opportunity for future growth, as eg Asia (esp) gets wealthier.

But it's not just TV rights to be considered. Only Germany comes close to England when it comes to modern stadia capacities, but even if both the Bundesliga and EPL are 95% full each game, English fans are paying double or more to attend. And once they get there, the commercial exploitation by the clubs is on a different plane entirely (bar a handful of foreign clubs).

On top of which, you have foreign billionaires pumping fortunes into buying and developing English clubs, even beyond the EPL, which is now pretty much tied up. These people can't all be idiots like the Venkys - they're billionaires because no matter how much money they already have, they're always on the lookout for the opportunity to earn more. And they came to English football first.

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Trying to find a pub with Sky these days is incredibly difficult, I live in a reasonable sized town and can only think of a few  places nearby, two of which are sports clubs. I would imagine that would reflect domestic sales, to an extent.
Difficult, but still hardly impossible.
Anyhow, SKY made a strategic decision a few years back to "sweat" the pubs as much as they could by hugely inflating the price they charge the pubs. (They actually demand to see the books to make sure they're not underselling themselves).

This was on the basis that if the pubs will/can pay the huge fees, then great. But if they can't, then that will protect/boost home subscriptions. (Think about it, the pubs which pay SKY invariably have to put up their beer prices, so will end up serving those who can afford a few pints while watching the game of a Sunday. Meanwhile, those who can't/won't will just watch at home and have a few tins from the Offie - win/win all round for SKY)

(That said, they might have to re-think this strategy if BT provide stiffer competiution than previous rivals to SKY.)

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Add in the fact that around 1 million people who went to EPL games last year were 'football tourists' from abroad, which helps keep the ticket prices up. Anyone who has ever been anywhere like the '12 Pins' on a Saturday afternoon will have seen that.It is foreign interest that has kept the EPL in the financial luxury it enjoys, much more than local and how it sells itself recognises that. It is really the international streaming market that would effect the EPL clubs more.
The fact that so many foreign tourists come to England to watch the EPL is a strength, not a weakness.

But ultimately, this whole foreign interest, whether tourists, TV subscribers or club owners, all comes on the back of a healthy domestic game, involving full stadia and competitive games etc

In other words, it's easier to hype the sh*t out of eg Leicester vs Everton to gullible overseas subscribers than an equivalent game in Germany, Spain or Italy.

And I personally see little sign of that changing.


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:



[QUOTE=pre Madonna]Trying to find a pub with Sky these days is incredibly difficult, I live in a reasonable sized town and can only think of a few  places nearby, two of which are sports clubs. I would imagine that would reflect domestic sales, to an extent.
Difficult, but still hardly impossible.
Anyhow, SKY made a strategic decision a few years back to "sweat" the pubs as much as they could by hugely inflating the price they charge the pubs. (They actually demand to see the books to make sure they're not underselling themselves).

This was on the basis that if the pubs will/can pay the huge fees, then great. But if they can't, then that will protect/boost home subscriptions. (Think about it, the pubs which pay SKY invariably have to put up their beer prices, so will end up serving those who can afford a few pints while watching the game of a Sunday. Meanwhile, those who can't/won't will just watch at home and have a few tins from the Offie - win/win all round for SKY)



How is this win-win Confused The pub industry is dying a slow death in the UK.

The only person who 'wins' from this is Sky, pubs cant afford Sky subscriptions these days, if they resort to foreign TV channels they get sued by the Premier League posing as Mystery shoppers fining them £20,000 putting them out of business.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Arsene Wenger identified it a few years after he came to England, when he said there was no other country in the world where so many people were so interested in football

I would disagree with that statement, based on my own experiences. The people that are interested in football are involved in it, either playing, coaching or as regular match goers. I find the casual interest to be quite limited, particular those of playing age. They are either players and fans, massive fans or have absolutely no interest at all.
Of course there are far more people in England who aren't interested in football than those who are.

But that's not the point.

For exactly the same applies in every other country, too, often more so.

What counts is those who are interested, and in that respect, English football has more fans, and wealthier ones at that, than just about any comparable football "market" (yuck).
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