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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

That TV show The Toughest showed up the athleticism of GAA players compared to other sports.
Aidan O'Shea went over to do the NFL fitness and athleticism trials and was badly shown up.

Jumping heights, sprinting, reaction times etc..

In fairness, what they test at the combine (which is what he did) mostly tests natural ability and attributes that are different to what the top GAA players would be required to have. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

That TV show The Toughest showed up the athleticism of GAA players compared to other sports.
Aidan O'Shea went over to do the NFL fitness and athleticism trials and was badly shown up.

Jumping heights, sprinting, reaction times etc..
Aiden O'Shea would hardly be the best example 😅 


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

That TV show The Toughest showed up the athleticism of GAA players compared to other sports.
Aidan O'Shea went over to do the NFL fitness and athleticism trials and was badly shown up.

Jumping heights, sprinting, reaction times etc..

In fairness, what they test at the combine (which is what he did) mostly tests natural ability and attributes that are different to what the top GAA players would be required to have. 
They aren't 'natural' they are trained and coached. He was way out of his depth, which in fairness would be expected. It wouldn't be fair to expect him to excel in a professional environment like that.

Also, the idea that if you speak truth to the GAA you somehow hate it is nonsense.  I played Gaelic football for years as underage, go to watch my county in the c'ship every summer .....I've even been to more than a handful of O'Byrne cup games for my sins!!
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Originally posted by nice triangles nice triangles wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by nice triangles nice triangles wrote:

Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Of the list of countries you provided, Ireland has a lower population than them all expect for New Zealand (we are ranked 120th, and New Zealand are 121st for population) and Croatia who are 128th. So your logic makes no sense.

And why bring a bog ball reference into this? GAA is a huge part of Irish sport and culture. The lads playing Inter county football and hurling are serious, almost professional, athletes.

Young lads and girls playing  gaelic fotball, hurling, camogie etc. At times to the detriment of other sports such as soccer. It's a fact of life in this country. For those of us in hurling and football dominated counties, it's a fact of life!
No they are not, in most cases they are miles off it - its one of the weirdest 'sacred cows' of modern Ireland, we must all agree that inter county GAA players are nearly as fit and strong as professional athletes, and they are the most committed athletes in the country. This is not true. Anyone who believes this has never been involved in professional sport.
They all have jobs outside of their commitment to they club / county - they do not have the time to get anywhere near the level of professional athletes - its not possible.
One inter county football manager, of a relatively decent county, was on tv two weeks ago complaining that his panel may have to play 5 weekends in a row - and train 3 times a week. This is the level they are at, this is basic amateur level commitment, nothing over the top - yet this guy thought it was "too much". Sorry, rant over.

They train more often than some professional LOI teams - there's nothing about it that's sacred, it's an observable fact. Simply being paid to do something doesn't mean you're going to be automatically better at it. Roscommon, for example, were training 5+ times a week from November to March this year. Dublin famously trained about 40 days in a row under Ger Gilroy back when he was manager, and that has since become something that's not entirely unusual. There are certain strength and fitness metrics GAA players would blow football players out of the water, and vice versa. That's the nature of high level sports, each is going to have it's areas of focus.

Simply being paid to do something doesn't mean you're going to be automatically better at it. -  Its not about being paid to do it, its your job, its all you need to worry about when you get up in the morning, you are paid to train and rest properly, and all of your coaches are also professional.
 Roscommon, for example, were training 5+ times a week from November to March this year. Anyone involved in any kind of serious rowing squad or athletics training group would be doing this year in, year out, this is not ground breaking - this is decent level amateur commitment.
Dublin famously trained about 40 days in a row under Ger Gilroy back when he was manager, and that has since become something that's not entirely unusual. This is a classic amateur approach to training, like cramming for an exam. It all depends what they were doing in training but any decent measurement and feedback part of that programme would have reported diminishing returns to any fitness or strength metrics from day 15 to around day 20. Just because training 5 days in a row is good, training 40 days in a row is not 8 times as good. 
There are certain strength and fitness metrics GAA players would blow football players out of the water.  If you mean professional football players, there is no dataset that exists to back that up.


Again, something being your job does not mean you are going to do it better - in many cases it leads to complete apathy, which has been and is a massive issue in football. Players being paid exorbitant wages who simply don't care about playing for the team they're at, because either way they're picking up their wage packet. To do something as taxing as inter county GAA without being paid requires you actually want to be there, you can't do it without complete commitment.

Right, so you're acknowledging that GAA is at a minimum on a par with the training for two high level Olympic sports, good man LOL

Training 40 days in a row was a drastic tactic in response to a drastically malfunctioning team, and it worked. Dublin went on to win their first all Ireland in 16 years after it. The 40 days in a row obviously included recovery sessions, the point is that the squad were getting together every day, sometimes more than once a day, for 40 days in a row. That displays a level of commitment (amd ability to train) beyond what is found in most professionalised sports. Again, you try to use the word "amateur" as an insult here, clearly misunderstanding the meaning of the word.

Like many Irish soccer fans, you can't acknowledge the brilliance of the GAA because for whatever reason you think that denigrates the brilliance of soccer, it doesn't, they're completely mutually exclusive. The small mindedness that exists in Irish sports is a sad thing.


You are ignoring the simple fact that resting and recovery is part of being a professional athlete.  It’s a key part.  GAA lads whether they are driving or working in an office or a building site or a student are not resting and recovering.  This is backed up by any GAA inter county players I have spoken to.  They should be admired and cheered on for what they do.  But to compare them to professional athletes is stupid and actually unfair on them in a way.  But the comparison comes mostly from some GAA diehards who do not like football and love to have a pop at the Premier league and rich footballers.  
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

That TV show The Toughest showed up the athleticism of GAA players compared to other sports.
Aidan O'Shea went over to do the NFL fitness and athleticism trials and was badly shown up.

Jumping heights, sprinting, reaction times etc..

Just like most big games then
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If you put a peak Seamus Coleman, Roy Keane, Liam Brady in an NFL combine they'd be "badly shown up", it's a glamour exercise for genetic freaks geared towards entertainment with little application to the NFL itself let alone soccer or Gaelic. I'd hardly be holding Aiden O'Shea up as an example of an extremely fit GAA player either, he's a target man/battering ram. It would be a bit like holding up Alan Lee as an example of soccer players general fitness levels.
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

That TV show The Toughest showed up the athleticism of GAA players compared to other sports.
Aidan O'Shea went over to do the NFL fitness and athleticism trials and was badly shown up.

Jumping heights, sprinting, reaction times etc..
Aiden O'Shea would hardly be the best example 😅 


To be fair he could be known as the Toughest...To year in year out come back after crushing disappointment and know you are going to encounter more crushing disappointment with no chance of success takes a special breedLOL
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A few years back I heard a piece on the radio about many of the top world table tennis players coming from one small area of Britain. Turns out it wasn't generational genetic Darwinism or something in the water, it was facilities and coaching.
If we improved facilities and coaching for kids playing soccer we'd have better adult soccer players, it's not rocket science.
Here's an article on the table tennis - I haven't read it all but the first few paragraphs get to the point.
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Philly McMahon has spoken on podcasts (one being the House of Football with Eric Lawlor and Alan Cawley) about he differences he seen from his time with Dublin to being part of the Bohs set up and acknowledged that both sets of players just excelled at what was needed for their sport. It’s not a case of one being more athletic than the other. The footballers had better balance and bigger calves which enabled more explosive change of direction where as the GAA players had better upper body strength and were more able to sustain longer distance runs.

It’s about whatever is more suited to the demands of the sport a player participates in rather than any specific metric of athleticism.
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