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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote armahibee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 10:57am
You really need to stop using rugby as a metric, i love both sports but football is global and known and understood by everyone, rugby isn't, even in the 8 nations that do it well. Imo the grass routes work WON'T be done Ever, we may get drips and drabs of investment but not what we really need. Time has come to come to terms with our place in the world and do what we can with the resources possible. Back to tight defense, counter attacking with quick wings to Ferguson and obafemi up front. Sorry 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Only 8-9 countries really compete in rugby in football it’s close on 100.   

That does not excuse the Delaney mid management and the Kenny mid management but it’s a far more competitive environment to get to the top of football.  Our usual training ground of the English Division is now too high a standard for many of our players so they drop down divisions which is no preparation for international football.  Throw in a manager who has shown he is out of his depth. Voila you get what we have. 

That doesn't really matter though because the targets are different. In rugby we're trying to be the best in the world and win the world cup. In football we're trying to be in the top 16 or 24 in Europe and qualify for tournaments. So the issue with fewer teams competing in rugby is more than offset by the different expectation levels, it's no more than a handy go-to excuse for failure to be honest.
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Can guarantee if we were at an equivalent standard in Rugby,  i.e. failing to qualify for World Cups etc. (If that's even possible) Ireland would be playing in the RDS in front of 4 figure crowds
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in not sure why of this is any surprise. Football  has never been run well in this country. Even our brightest days for the international team were large orchestrated by people and players that weren't brought up in an Irish system. There has been baby steps behind the scenes tbf but unless we sort out the disorganisation, properly fund coaching and facilities for grass roots and domestic football then we're pissing against the wind. Look at other teams in the European club qualifiers stadiums and compare them to our attempts to build stadiums and facilities. People have no interest. Ballybofey a great example. Stadium started in about 2005, no further on in 2023. Big plans to build state of the art facilities to benefit sports of all kinds in ballybofey. Sounded class. Nimbyism has shelved the plans. Utterly depressing

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Whether or not a stadium gets built in Ballybofey has absolutely nothing to do with the success or otherwise of our senior team. Domestically all we need are sufficient facilities to develop players up to their 18th birthdays. Everything after that will be handled overseas, as is the case in the vast majority of countries of Ireland's size.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Whether or not a stadium gets built in Ballybofey has absolutely nothing to do with the success or otherwise of our senior team. Domestically all we need are sufficient facilities to develop players up to their 18th birthdays. Everything after that will be handled overseas, as is the case in the vast majority of countries of Ireland's size.
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The sad fact is that we cannot compete at this level. It took 68 years to qualify for a Euros and 70 years to qualify for a WC. We had a stroke of luck in Jack Charlton which brought us our best years. Remember the team was 90% granny-rule players. The FAI was always a running joke and we don't even have our own decent stadium. 
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Only 2 of the starting 11 vs England in Euro 88 were through the granny rule. 

While we did use the rule to its fullest, 90% is just nonsense. 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Only 8-9 countries really compete in rugby in football it’s close on 100.   

That does not excuse the Delaney mid management and the Kenny mid management but it’s a far more competitive environment to get to the top of football.  Our usual training ground of the English Division is now too high a standard for many of our players so they drop down divisions which is no preparation for international football.  Throw in a manager who has shown he is out of his depth. Voila you get what we have. 

That doesn't really matter though because the targets are different. In rugby we're trying to be the best in the world and win the world cup. In football we're trying to be in the top 16 or 24 in Europe and qualify for tournaments. So the issue with fewer teams competing in rugby is more than offset by the different expectation levels, it's no more than a handy go-to excuse for failure to be honest.

Sorry you missed the key point in my post which is that for years the English top division was where the vast majority of our players earned their trade.  

That is not the case anymore because football is so competitive across the globe and the best players from nearly 100 countries are competing to play in the premier league.  This has blocked the route for our players.  As a result they are playing in the more direct and physical championship which is no preparation for international football.  Throw in total mismanagement by Delaney and by Kenny and you have where we are.  Brexit will also mean our players stay in Ireland or do not go to the Uk until they are older or go to other countries in the EU.  How that will play out we will see.  But to dismiss the global nature of football and how competitive it is to get near the top is madness.  Even in the 8-9 countries that play rugby well it’s not the major sport such as Australia, England, Scotland Italy and Argentina.  
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Should we give up Rugby?
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Just all forms of competitive international sport at this point I think.

Even when we do well in Olympic sports they get taken out of the Olympics...
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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Should we give up Rugby?
should we give up in general, in life, in anything? Confused

some very stupid suggestions
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If moral victories were a sport, we're out of sight. 
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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Should we give up Rugby?

Yes, because Andy Farrell,  Johnny Sexton, BOD, Keith Wood, and Simon Geoghegan will go running down the touchline when we score a try against Gibraltar next week.
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Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Should we give up Rugby?
should we give up in general, in life, in anything? Confused

some very stupid suggestions

You do know you are posting on a thread called 'should we give up football'?
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We're only good at the 'special Olympics' on the International stage if we're honest
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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Whether or not a stadium gets built in Ballybofey has absolutely nothing to do with the success or otherwise of our senior team. Domestically all we need are sufficient facilities to develop players up to their 18th birthdays. Everything after that will be handled overseas, as is the case in the vast majority of countries of Ireland's size.
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