Shane Long

Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: Beggars can't be choosers.  We don't have another finisher like Robbie Keane, and probably never will. Very few small nations have.   Long's finishing isn't alway outstanding, but he does makes lots of chances for himself and wins penos, his all-round play is very good, and he steps up in the big games.   I think that is only half-true, aside from his goals against Germany and Poland, what other big games has he stepped up in? I like Long, he is a decent player who has worked hard to play above his natural level, but there is no point exaggerating claims about him either. longs record v top two seeds in qualifying campaigns is not much worse than robbies. Defenders are terrified of longs pace . His presence cancause teams to play 5 -10 yards deeper. The amount of set pieces he wins huge. Must say I was disappointed by his displays in the euros. Even his general play was not great tbh. A thing that frustrates me with him as well is that he never kicks on after having a good game. Long has scored three goals versus the top two seeds in seventy-one games, Robbie had done that by his nineteenth cap. I don't think it is far on either to make that comparison. Other than that, I agree. He has good physical attributes, annoys defenders and has the occasional excellent game. He is incredibly inconsistent though. He is a 'streaky' striker, prone to bouts of form and not permanent class. Which is why he never 'kicks-on'. hmm,  goals from play v top two seeds in group qualifying Long - germany , poland , russia Robbie - italy, sweden, holland, Yugoslavia ? am i missing any, i must be surely Turkey, France, Russia(same game as Long). Off the top of my head. sorry im talking about group stages, not play offs, don't think robbie scored from play v russia, did he?

pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: Beggars can't be choosers.  We don't have another finisher like Robbie Keane, and probably never will. Very few small nations have.   Long's finishing isn't alway outstanding, but he does makes lots of chances for himself and wins penos, his all-round play is very good, and he steps up in the big games.   I think that is only half-true, aside from his goals against Germany and Poland, what other big games has he stepped up in? I like Long, he is a decent player who has worked hard to play above his natural level, but there is no point exaggerating claims about him either. longs record v top two seeds in qualifying campaigns is not much worse than robbies. Defenders are terrified of longs pace . His presence cancause teams to play 5 -10 yards deeper. The amount of set pieces he wins huge. Must say I was disappointed by his displays in the euros. Even his general play was not great tbh. A thing that frustrates me with him as well is that he never kicks on after having a good game. Long has scored three goals versus the top two seeds in seventy-one games, Robbie had done that by his nineteenth cap. I don't think it is far on either to make that comparison. Other than that, I agree. He has good physical attributes, annoys defenders and has the occasional excellent game. He is incredibly inconsistent though. He is a 'streaky' striker, prone to bouts of form and not permanent class. Which is why he never 'kicks-on'. hmm,  goals from play v top two seeds in group qualifying Long - germany , poland , russia Robbie - italy, sweden, holland, Yugoslavia ? am i missing any, i must be surely also didnt realise, long has 71 caps v top 2 seeds, god must have about 600 caps I don't think all of 'God's' first 19 caps were against top two seeds either, that was the comparison. I would imagine, given the history of our fixtures, that both would have faced a similar range of opposition in their appearances. i would be shocked if that was the case, i don't think long has more than 20 competitive starts If he was better, he would have more starts.

haha, so a minute to goal ratio is not favourable to your argument then? but a cap to goal one is? 

Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: Beggars can't be choosers.  We don't have another finisher like Robbie Keane, and probably never will. Very few small nations have.   Long's finishing isn't alway outstanding, but he does makes lots of chances for himself and wins penos, his all-round play is very good, and he steps up in the big games.   I think that is only half-true, aside from his goals against Germany and Poland, what other big games has he stepped up in? I like Long, he is a decent player who has worked hard to play above his natural level, but there is no point exaggerating claims about him either. longs record v top two seeds in qualifying campaigns is not much worse than robbies. Defenders are terrified of longs pace . His presence cancause teams to play 5 -10 yards deeper. The amount of set pieces he wins huge. Must say I was disappointed by his displays in the euros. Even his general play was not great tbh. A thing that frustrates me with him as well is that he never kicks on after having a good game. Long has scored three goals versus the top two seeds in seventy-one games, Robbie had done that by his nineteenth cap. I don't think it is far on either to make that comparison. Other than that, I agree. He has good physical attributes, annoys defenders and has the occasional excellent game. He is incredibly inconsistent though. He is a 'streaky' striker, prone to bouts of form and not permanent class. Which is why he never 'kicks-on'. hmm,  goals from play v top two seeds in group qualifying Long - germany , poland , russia Robbie - italy, sweden, holland, Yugoslavia ? am i missing any, i must be surely also didnt realise, long has 71 caps v top 2 seeds, god must have about 600 caps I don't think all of 'God's' first 19 caps were against top two seeds either, that was the comparison. I would imagine, given the history of our fixtures, that both would have faced a similar range of opposition in their appearances. i would be shocked if that was the case, i don't think long has more than 20 competitive starts If he was better, he would have more starts. haha, so a minute to goal ratio is not favourable to your argument then? but a cap to goal one is?

pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Citizen wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: Beggars can't be choosers.  We don't have another finisher like Robbie Keane, and probably never will. Very few small nations have.   Long's finishing isn't alway outstanding, but he does makes lots of chances for himself and wins penos, his all-round play is very good, and he steps up in the big games.   I think that is only half-true, aside from his goals against Germany and Poland, what other big games has he stepped up in? I like Long, he is a decent player who has worked hard to play above his natural level, but there is no point exaggerating claims about him either. longs record v top two seeds in qualifying campaigns is not much worse than robbies. Defenders are terrified of longs pace . His presence cancause teams to play 5 -10 yards deeper. The amount of set pieces he wins huge. Must say I was disappointed by his displays in the euros. Even his general play was not great tbh. A thing that frustrates me with him as well is that he never kicks on after having a good game. Long has scored three goals versus the top two seeds in seventy-one games, Robbie had done that by his nineteenth cap. I don't think it is far on either to make that comparison. Other than that, I agree. He has good physical attributes, annoys defenders and has the occasional excellent game. He is incredibly inconsistent though. He is a 'streaky' striker, prone to bouts of form and not permanent class. Which is why he never 'kicks-on'. hmm,  goals from play v top two seeds in group qualifying Long - germany , poland , russia Robbie - italy, sweden, holland, Yugoslavia ? am i missing any, i must be surely also didnt realise, long has 71 caps v top 2 seeds, god must have about 600 caps I don't think all of 'God's' first 19 caps were against top two seeds either, that was the comparison. I would imagine, given the history of our fixtures, that both would have faced a similar range of opposition in their appearances. i would be shocked if that was the case, i don't think long has more than 20 competitive starts If he was better, he would have more starts. haha, so a minute to goal ratio is not favourable to your argument then? but a cap to goal one is?  I never said that, you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said to suit your argument. There is a reason many of Long's appearances are off the bench, for club and country. He is a limited striker best suited to using his physical attributes against tired defences. If he was a better player he wouldn't be seen as a substitute.  I think comparing Shane Long to Robbie is absolutely pointless and would only be done by someone with an agenda against Robbie. There may be some truth in your implied belief that Robbie's career has been overrated, even if I would disagree, but there is no comparison between him and any other Irish striker. I would be curious to see a minutes-to-goals  ratio of both though.

Burnley signing of Chris Wood probable ends the speculation of any move there but desperately needs to get one before the end of the window

Burnley decide to sign a player who refuses to play for his club when something doesn't go their way. Good to see Burnley got someone who will stick by the team when the chips are down! ;) ;) ;)

Edited by Cathalthesmart - 22 Aug 2017 at 9:00am

Needs a run of games, if not at saints then even a championship club

Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: t_rAndy wrote: Needs a run of games, if not at saints then even a championship club I said this last last season and was told to f*** off I'd much prefer he was playing and scoring regularly at championship level than sitting on the bench / rarely scoring in the EPL.

Championship my Bollix. Will have no bother getting a prem team.

Had a good game when he came on Saturday will prob start the next game

doherty wrote: Citizen wrote: Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: t_rAndy wrote: Needs a run of games, if not at saints then even a championship club I said this last last season and was told to f*** off I'd much prefer he was playing and scoring regularly at championship level than sitting on the bench / rarely scoring in the EPL. Championship my Bollix. Will have no bother getting a prem team. Had a good game when he came on Saturday will prob start the next game what clubs will spend the money on him. Just does not score enough.

If a club is willing to spend 15mil on Chris wood Southampton could certainly get 10 mil for long. Be a good signing for Everton even as a squad player, they desperately need a bit of pace up front. Brighton, West Ham, Newcastle, Huddersfield. Personally would rather players play few games at a higher level than playing 40 games in the championship tbh. Think he can win a place in that Southampton team tbh, front 5 piss poor so far, gabbiadini, redmond, Austin,bouffal,tadic.