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Anyone else think that for the Mexico game we could have a completely different squad?


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No, I think a few Championship players will get a run out, especially those who don't make the playoffs (Derby, Preston and Norwich could well all miss out).
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No, I think a few Championship players will get a run out, especially those who don't make the playoffs (Derby, Preston and Norwich could well all miss out).
Derby and Norwich have already written the season off, Preston still seem to be holding onto hope but that is because they have overachieved.
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I`d say Maguire saw Horgan and Boyle getting capped last night and he`ll be thinking inside the next 6-12months that could be him.
I think right now Maguire has more to offer the international set up (youth and predatory instincts) than Kevin Doyle.
It will probably take a stellar showing in Europe this year/a move to the Championship before he gets recognition.
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I`d say Maguire saw Horgan and Boyle getting capped last night and he`ll be thinking inside the next 6-12months that could be him.
I think right now Maguire has more to offer the international set up (youth and predatory instincts) than Kevin Doyle.
It will probably take a stellar showing in Europe this year/a move to the Championship before he gets recognition.


How can you possibly know that? Maguire has had ONE good season in the LOI. Previously he has failed to make a single West Ham squad, and had underwhelming spells at Accrington, Sligo, and Dundalk. He also failed to display any particular quality when playing with our Under-21's. Maybe Maguire will be an option in the future, but at the moment there is nothing whatsoever to suggest he's better than what we already have. He's way down the list and the lovefest over him is as big a sign of desperation as I've seen in a long time.
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How can you possibly know that? Maguire has had ONE good season in the LOI. Previously he has failed to make a single West Ham squad, and had underwhelming spells at Accrington, Sligo, and Dundalk. He also failed to display any particular quality when playing with our Under-21's. Maybe Maguire will be an option in the future, but at the moment there is nothing whatsoever to suggest he's better than what we already have. He's way down the list and the lovefest over him is as big a sign of desperation as I've seen in a long time.

This.Thumbs Up People getting desperate about this lad because we are in dire need of a striker.
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Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

 

How can you possibly know that? Maguire has had ONE good season in the LOI. Previously he has failed to make a single West Ham squad, and had underwhelming spells at Accrington, Sligo, and Dundalk. He also failed to display any particular quality when playing with our Under-21's. Maybe Maguire will be an option in the future, but at the moment there is nothing whatsoever to suggest he's better than what we already have. He's way down the list and the lovefest over him is as big a sign of desperation as I've seen in a long time.

This.Thumbs Up People getting desperate about this lad because we are in dire need of a striker.


exactly we are desperate Doyle is brutal and not getting any better at this stage.
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The situation is beyond desperate, we were desperate a while back! Our first choice strikers are all of over 30 and all have their weaknesses, then we have the likes of Rooney,Stokes, Sammon and Sheridan, who probably aren't good enough but deserve a look due to the desperation factor and, after that, absolutely nothing!
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I am not sugesting he plays versus Austria, this lad has potential, he has scored goals for fun for the past 18 months in the league of ireland, europa league and for the republic of ireland u21's. International football is a big step up but no harm having him around the squad.Doyle didnt make it to euro2016 he will be less efective by 2018 maguire is at least heading in the other direction.
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None for West Ham (no appearances...), 7 in 33 for Accrington. Coupled with 1 in 18 for Sligo, 0 in 6 for Dundalk, and 1 in 10 for the under-21's, it might suggest people are getting a tad carried away. In terms of his scoring exploits last year, it's not entirely dissimilar to what Amond did, the only major difference in Maguires favour being that he is younger.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Did he score in the EL?

El = Europa League 3 goals in six games
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The situation is beyond desperate, we were desperate a while back! Our first choice strikers are all of over 30 and all have their weaknesses, then we have the likes of Rooney,Stokes, Sammon and Sheridan, who probably aren't good enough but deserve a look due to the desperation factor and, after that, absolutely nothing!
You are looking at Cox, Madden,Mooney,  Amond and Reece Grego-Cox! 

This is something MON had 4 years to solve and saw coming or at least should have seen. His priority seems to be the immediate now though and not about the future.






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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

None for West Ham (no appearances...), 7 in 33 for Accrington. Coupled with 1 in 18 for Sligo, 0 in 6 for Dundalk, and 1 in 10 for the under-21's, it might suggest people are getting a tad carried away. In terms of his scoring exploits last year, it's not entirely dissimilar to what Amond did, the only major difference in Maguires favour being that he is younger.
And far, far better, if you ever watched the two of them!  It is funny that you mention Amond as he must be about 7/8 choice for Ireland at the moment. I agree it has taken a while for him to settle in places but Caulfield has put faith in him and got the best out of him, while the lad has developed physically and mentally. He only started one game for Dundalk and needed the arm around the shoulder and I think he has got that.
In an ideal world there shouldn't even be a debate about him playing for Ireland, it is solely out of desperation, but we have to look at all our options. I was hugely frustrated that Rooney wasn't involved last night, even though I doubt he is good enough!At the moment we are a couple of injuries away from recalling the likes of  Cox or Sammon and I don't think either of those would ever put in a performance like Seanie did away to a team who are now in the Europa League quarter-finals.

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Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The situation is beyond desperate, we were desperate a while back! Our first choice strikers are all of over 30 and all have their weaknesses, then we have the likes of Rooney,Stokes, Sammon and Sheridan, who probably aren't good enough but deserve a look due to the desperation factor and, after that, absolutely nothing!
You are looking at Cox, Madden,Mooney,  Amond and Reece Grego-Cox! 

This is something MON had 4 years to solve and saw coming or at least should have seen. His priority seems to be the immediate now though and not about the future.




Agree, he is very much a man for the moment and always has been, he left Celtic in a very poor state considering what he had achieved there.
I am not going to criticise him too much, he has done very well with a fairly average group of players and I do wonder if some of these friendly matches are of any interest to him at all. I just wish that he made more use of them.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

None for West Ham (no appearances...), 7 in 33 for Accrington. Coupled with 1 in 18 for Sligo, 0 in 6 for Dundalk, and 1 in 10 for the under-21's, it might suggest people are getting a tad carried away. In terms of his scoring exploits last year, it's not entirely dissimilar to what Amond did, the only major difference in Maguires favour being that he is younger.

And far, far better, if you ever watched the two of them!  It is funny that you mention Amond as he must be about 7/8 choice for Ireland at the moment. I agree it has taken a while for him to settle in places but Caulfield has put faith in him and got the best out of him, while the lad has developed physically and mentally. He only started one game for Dundalk and needed the arm around the shoulder and I think he has got that.
In an ideal world there shouldn't even be a debate about him playing for Ireland, it is solely out of desperation, but we have to look at all our options. I was hugely frustrated that Rooney wasn't involved last night, even though I doubt he is good enough!At the moment we are a couple of injuries away from recalling the likes of  Cox or Sammon and I don't think either of those would ever put in a performance like Seanie did away to a team who are now in the Europa League quarter-finals.



I can't see Amond as being anywhere close to 7th/8th choice. You have the likes of Long, Walters, Murphy, McGoldrick, Rooney, Doyle, Sheridan, Cox, Madden, O'Brien, Mason and so on all certainly ahead of him, and then guys like Best, Eoin Doyle, and Sammon who are probably even ahead of him too. Our situation ain't great, but it's not bad enough for Amond to be anywhere near our top 10 strikers....
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

None for West Ham (no appearances...), 7 in 33 for Accrington. Coupled with 1 in 18 for Sligo, 0 in 6 for Dundalk, and 1 in 10 for the under-21's, it might suggest people are getting a tad carried away. In terms of his scoring exploits last year, it's not entirely dissimilar to what Amond did, the only major difference in Maguires favour being that he is younger.

And far, far better, if you ever watched the two of them!  It is funny that you mention Amond as he must be about 7/8 choice for Ireland at the moment. I agree it has taken a while for him to settle in places but Caulfield has put faith in him and got the best out of him, while the lad has developed physically and mentally. He only started one game for Dundalk and needed the arm around the shoulder and I think he has got that.
In an ideal world there shouldn't even be a debate about him playing for Ireland, it is solely out of desperation, but we have to look at all our options. I was hugely frustrated that Rooney wasn't involved last night, even though I doubt he is good enough!At the moment we are a couple of injuries away from recalling the likes of  Cox or Sammon and I don't think either of those would ever put in a performance like Seanie did away to a team who are now in the Europa League quarter-finals.



I can't see Amond as being anywhere close to 7th/8th choice. You have the likes of Long, Walters, Murphy, McGoldrick, Rooney, Doyle, Sheridan, Cox, Madden, O'Brien, Mason and so on all certainly ahead of him, and then guys like Best, Eoin Doyle, and Sammon who are probably even ahead of him too. Our situation ain't great, but it's not bad enough for Amond to be anywhere near our top 10 strikers....
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Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:


I`d say Maguire saw Horgan and Boyle getting capped last night and he`ll be thinking inside the next 6-12months that could be him.
I think right now Maguire has more to offer the international set up (youth and predatory instincts) than Kevin Doyle.
It will probably take a stellar showing in Europe this year/a move to the Championship before he gets recognition.


How can you possibly know that? Maguire has had ONE good season in the LOI. Previously he has failed to make a single West Ham squad, and had underwhelming spells at Accrington, Sligo, and Dundalk. He also failed to display any particular quality when playing with our Under-21's. Maybe Maguire will be an option in the future, but at the moment there is nothing whatsoever to suggest he's better than what we already have. He's way down the list and the lovefest over him is as big a sign of desperation as I've seen in a long time.

Why look at his past?

Why not look at right now?

Maguire is in superb form, over last season and into this season he has been scoring all sorts of goals be it with his head, tap ins and goals that are down to individual brilliance in its own right.

What is there to lose by giving him 45 minutes in a friendly? What is to learn out of playing Simox Cox, Kevin Doyle or Daryl Murphy for argument sake? 

The way you've spoken, you would swear we were looking for Maguire to start against Wales the other evening.......
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