Sean Scannell

Green Devil wrote: @ Territorial "Scannell hasn't represented ROI for a decade" Wrong.... He played for our under 21's in 2012

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Reminded me of this

Edited by irishmufc - 19 Feb 2018 at 6:28pm

Territorial wrote: The O'Shea wrote:  To tackle some of those superfluous narratives (albeit in truth I don't really need to) here are a few points: 1. Brady, O'Dowda, and Hayes are all currently out with long-term injuries for us, and McGeady is being tipped for retirement in some quarters. That doesn't leave us with very many options on the wing. It's not outlandish to suggest that Scannell could be of use to us in the coming year (in the same way as Alex Bruce, another player of ours who you recruited, may well have won more call-ups for us when he was starting regularly for Hull in the EPL). Scannell hasn't represented ROI for a decade, including under both your previous and current managers. Therefore it is hardly unreasonable for Michael to assume that he is no longer of interest to your team. Besides which, Scannell could always inform him if that assumption was incorrect. But maybe you think we should wait another decade?  As for your "Bruce may well have won more call-ups for ROI etc" - from GreenScene: "... t<span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Helvetica; font-size: 12.348px;">he twice-capped Republic of Ireland international defender has chosen to play for Northern Ireland, where he sees a better chance of international recognition."</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Helvetica; font-size: 12.348px;">http://greenscene.me/2011/07/alex-bruce-declares-for-northern-ireland/ </span> The O'Shea wrote:  2. Even if you are right, and Scannell is no longer a viable option for us, that doesn't alter the fact that you previously tried to recruit him in 2012, at which point he was still an important part of our Under-21 side! You don't get it, do you?  Scannell is/was neither "yours" or "ours" to start with - he was England's, i.e. as much "fair game" for us to approach as you. Or Jamaica. The O'Shea wrote:  3. Scannell has 25 underage caps for us. To make use of an argument frequently utilised by victimised NI fans; that's 25 caps that could have went towards developing someone else. Using the exact same logic that was thrown at us regarding Messrs Duffy, Gibson, Wilson, and McClean, you're effectively "robbing us" of our investment (not that I actually subscribe to this logic, I'm merely pointing out how it applies in precisely the same way to Scannell as it did to McClean and so on). The FAI gave him those 25 games because they genuinely believed he might make it to senior international status. And considering eg he was Young Player of the Year" at Palace aged 18, that is/was hardly unreasonable. Just the same way as eg we gave 18 caps to Shane Duffy, from U-18 to "B", on the basis that he might make the step up for us. Or do you imagine that SS consciously accepted those places in your under-age teams on the basis that when it suited him, he would then defect to his "first love"? I know for a fact that for some time now, FAI officials have been "tapping up" the parents of young NI kids barely into their teens, with meals out and tickets to The AVIVA etc, despite their bullsh*t denials about making the first approach.  It's but a short step from there to advising them: "Just keep him playing for NI at junior level, then we'll be back again when the time's right." Or maybe you imagine that an organisation run by a figure of such impeccable probity as John Delaney would never stoop to such tactics?  The O'Shea wrote:  In essence then, there is no substantive difference between us taking on the likes of Duffy and McClean, and you taking on the likes of Scannell and Bruce. You can either take the view that they're all equally legitimate, or equally illegitimate; but you can't have it both ways. Your attempted comparison between eg Duffy/Scannell, or McClean/Bruce is facile, for the reasons I've outlined above - Jack 'The Lad' Grealish is a true comparison. And all that's before we get to the fact that Bruce's connection with NI is Co.Down and Scannell's is with Co.Armagh...

A few more points on this utter car crash of a post, how could Scannell not be "ours"?? He's an Irish national who has played multiple times for Ireland, how the f*ck could that make him "Englands", or as much "Jamaicas" as he is "Irelands"?? What a bloody bizarre claim


Secondly; you're deliberately ignoring what I actually said. I do not believe that us giving 25 underage caps to Scannell means he owes us anything, I'm merely pointing out the rank-hypocrisy of NI fans, such as yourself, who use that argument when you lose players to us...

Finally, what exactly are you trying to insinuate by saying "Bruce's connection is to Down, and Scannell's to Armagh"? Are you trying to insinuate that those places are not a part of Ireland? Or more insidiously that people from those places aren't really Irish, and that they and their progeny should therefore not be entitled to represent Ireland? If that is what you're hinting at, and I believe you are, then you should be banned from this forum for discrimination. To question the Irishness of people born in the 6 counties is both disgraceful and unacceptable.

The O'Shea wrote: A few more points on this utter car crash of a post, how could Scannell not be "ours"?? He's an Irish national who has played multiple times for Ireland, how the f*ck could that make him "Englands", or as much "Jamaicas" as he is "Irelands"?? What a bloody bizarre claim

The point I was making is that when ROI (and NI?) originally approached Scannell, he was English - born in England, brought up in England, a product of English/C.Palace football.

Edited by Territorial - 19 Feb 2018 at 8:57pm

The claim that Duffy, McClean, Gibson, and so would never have played for NI is not only irrelevant, but simply ludicrous. If the opportunity to line out for Ireland had never materialised, every one of them would have settled for NI in the same way that other ROI supporters such as Niall McGinn, Paddy McCourt, Daniel Lafferty, Michael McGovern, Conor McLaughlin, Shane Ferguson, etc did.

Saint Tom wrote: Sure it's not the same thing because (I) he's not Irish (II) because he's no use (III) it's them at it and not us.

indeed Tom  selective amnesia at its best

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/huddersfield-town-winger-sean-scannell-14680201

Edited by NewtNewbie - 20 May 2018 at 12:03pm

Stratospheric levels of hypocrisy from the Nordies again. And Keown's familial links are as much with Galway as Fermanagh, so they can hardly definitively claim him as 'one of theirs'.

What a f**king hypocrite Michael O'Neill is 

Good luck to them. Lets see if O'Neill practices what what he preaches and actually plays them after tying them down. Whatever about Scannell, Keown may have jumped the gun on this one.