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Originally posted by Bukowski Bukowski wrote:

Just finished watching the game, and I'm guessing it's all been said on this forum.
So - Parrott off, Ogbene on. Hendricks instead of Browne.

Armenia - we should have most of the ball, but how do we break them down? There won't be the space behind for Obafemi to run into.

Forget who is was, but someone on here kept insisting Molumby would mature into a good player for us back when most of us were saying it looks like he won't be that player, and happily it looks like that poster was right. Him and Cullen are the central mid now and for the future.

He's still not great on the ball imo, but his tenacity is admirable and he is improving! Don't think he's indispensable just yet, but he was excellent tonight and in the reverse fixture, keep it up lad!
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Sadly there are posters on here who just want to go to a major finals and if that doesn’t or can’t happen for
Them it’s the managers fault. Regardless of the talent pool at our disposals.  We have posters on here saying Scotland are sh*te, yet they have players at Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Celtic and Aston Villa,  not to mention One in Serie A and others at Newcastle and Southampton coming off the bench.  We are a team of young championship players who may make the step up like Collins and Bazunu and then older players on the bench who are bench warmers at Premier league clubs.  That’s why Kenny is working with and her is going for youth and youth let’s you down in the short term with poor decision making etc. ironically enough it was a 30 year old and a player in his late 20s who messes up defensively tonight.  
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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

And I'm not aspiring to be on Scotlands level ffs. They are sh*te.

I am. Qualification for the Euros and a World Cup play off 

Hello Roy. Take Triggs for a walk 

Something they've managed despite being completely sh*te. 

Many on here would claim we were rubbish when we got a WC playoff a few years ago under MON, for example.

They manage to get results by being very similar to how we used to be between 2014-2018. A battling, hard working side that has become hard to beat. Yet the same fellas that deride what we were now hold Scotland up as some sort of aspirational target. Completely bizarre.
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Sadly there are posters on here who just want to go to a major finals and if that doesn’t or can’t happen for
Them it’s the managers fault.


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Sadly there are posters on here who just want to go to a major finals and if that doesn’t or can’t happen for
Them it’s the managers fault. Regardless of the talent pool at our disposals.  We have posters on here saying Scotland are sh*te, yet they have players at Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Celtic and Aston Villa,  not to mention One in Serie A and others at Newcastle and Southampton coming off the bench.  We are a team of young championship players who may make the step up like Collins and Bazunu and then older players on the bench who are bench warmers at Premier league clubs.  That’s why Kenny is working with and her is going for youth and youth let’s you down in the short term with poor decision making etc. ironically enough it was a 30 year old and a player in his late 20s who messes up defensively tonight.  

England have players from Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool and have been woeful the past year. Who cares? 

Having players that play with certain clubs doesnt automatically mean you'll be a good team ffs. LOL

Theres not group of fans that obsesses about the amount of PL players a team has as much as the people on here. 
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smallbone yes, Connolly no way - he’s not going to get games in Italy from what we’ve seen so far, Idah unfortunately is completely injury prone but would be a genuine option otherwise, Festy defo an option like Hunt used to be off the bench (speed scares teams). We do need more depth, will Ferguson come through and replace Idah?

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:


I think the very fact you acknowledge we were the better team vs teams of that calibre should give you some comfort. It's a young team on a steep learning curve, we are improving all the time. When we start to look like we are going backwards, that will be the time to worry! For now, we look like a team getting better game by game, enjoy it, life's too short!


I appreciate your positivity but, in all honesty, if we don’t start getting results against decent sides Kenny’s goose will be cooked - and sooner, rather than later. That’s just the reality of it. 


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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Sadly there are posters on here who just want to go to a major finals and if that doesn’t or can’t happen for
Them it’s the managers fault. Regardless of the talent pool at our disposals.  We have posters on here saying Scotland are sh*te, yet they have players at Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Celtic and Aston Villa,  not to mention One in Serie A and others at Newcastle and Southampton coming off the bench.  We are a team of young championship players who may make the step up like Collins and Bazunu and then older players on the bench who are bench warmers at Premier league clubs.  That’s why Kenny is working with and her is going for youth and youth let’s you down in the short term with poor decision making etc. ironically enough it was a 30 year old and a player in his late 20s who messes up defensively tonight.  

England have players from Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool and have been woeful the past year. Who cares? 

Having players that play with certain clubs doesnt automatically mean you'll be a good team ffs. LOL

Theres not group of fans that obsesses about the amount of PL players a team has as much as the people on here. 

They did get to a World Cup semi final
And euros final in the last two major tournaments.  On a bad run of form currently in division A.  Generally the higher standard of team you are playing for is a reflection of your ability as a player.  The more players playing at the highest level is a reflection of the individual abilities of the members of the team.  The manager then turns them into a collective.  It is a far harder to turn lesser players in a really good team than it is with players of greater ability.  The biggest determining factor of whether a team will be successful at international level is the ability of the players.  That is is 90% of the reason why teams win. There are exceptions like Greece and currently Hungary but players ability is the main driver for success. Scotland have better players than us.  Simple as that which is why they are playing at a higher level. 
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I thought YBIG played very well and certainly gave us a bloody awful scare !

Any other time the lad Parrot would have scored that chance.

Molumby is a player I would gladly have in our squad.

Please, please, please can you somehow prevent Gary Breen from commentating on games ? He did my feckin head all throughout the match
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Originally posted by SeanC SeanC wrote:

smallbone yes, Connolly no way - he’s not going to get games in Italy from what we’ve seen so far, Idah unfortunately is completely injury prone but would be a genuine option otherwise, Festy defo an option like Hunt used to be off the bench (speed scares teams). We do need more depth, will Ferguson come through and replace Idah?

Ferguson is 18, so i'm not going to be too harsh, but he was pure sh*te last night despite the goal, he has a long way to go yet despite the hype, time will tell. Connolly is a young lad who earned a 25k a week contract and then lost his way. To dismiss him is pure stupidity! He's a very good footballer if he gets his head right! Idah will hopefully get fit again, super prospect, only 21.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Sadly there are posters on here who just want to go to a major finals and if that doesn’t or can’t happen for
Them it’s the managers fault. Regardless of the talent pool at our disposals.  We have posters on here saying Scotland are sh*te, yet they have players at Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Celtic and Aston Villa,  not to mention One in Serie A and others at Newcastle and Southampton coming off the bench.  We are a team of young championship players who may make the step up like Collins and Bazunu and then older players on the bench who are bench warmers at Premier league clubs.  That’s why Kenny is working with and her is going for youth and youth let’s you down in the short term with poor decision making etc. ironically enough it was a 30 year old and a player in his late 20s who messes up defensively tonight.  

England have players from Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool and have been woeful the past year. Who cares? 

Having players that play with certain clubs doesnt automatically mean you'll be a good team ffs. LOL

Theres not group of fans that obsesses about the amount of PL players a team has as much as the people on here. 

They did get to a World Cup semi final
And euros final in the last two major tournaments.  On a bad run of form currently in division A.  Generally the higher standard of team you are playing for is a reflection of your ability as a player.  The more players playing at the highest level is a reflection of the individual abilities of the members of the team.  The manager then turns them into a collective.  It is a far harder to turn lesser players in a really good team than it is with players of greater ability.  The biggest determining factor of whether a team will be successful at international level is the ability of the players.  That is is 90% of the reason why teams win. There are exceptions like Greece and currently Hungary but players ability is the main driver for success. Scotland have better players than us.  Simple as that which is why they are playing at a higher level. 
Plus the biggest teams don't give 2 f**k about the Nation's League!

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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

There are some utter whoppers on here to be posting pathetic gifs and telling people to f*ck themselves because they've mentioned one of the best Irish managers of the past 20 years potentially managing the national side. 

Some proper losers.


"Proper loser" for posting a gif?

Suggesting Hughton take over is either a joke or flat out trolling. His level in management over the last 20 years is irrelevant. He's a dinosaur, the game has left him far behind.

While you're at it why not argue for Mick again, since he actually got us to a World Cup (in his 3rd time of trying, with a fantastic squad at his disposal)......... OH RIGHT because that was 20 f**king years ago and he's a dinosaur too!

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Still feel we are a couple of players short though.  Doesn't look like we will really have anyone else stepping into the team between now and the next campaign so this is kind of it . 
Obafemi maybe could get a bit better I hope

Smallbone, Idah, Connolly, maybe Festy


Yes we definitely will have more players coming in before the Euros quals start.

We have precious little in midfield for this type of game when Knight & Molumby tire. And no backup for Cullen (suspended for the Armenia game?). And what I'll call a "false-depth" at wingback.

Hopefully Idah can get/stay fit. Hopefully Connolly is righting his ship.

Smallbone wouldn't have suited the physicality of tonight's game (he's one for the 4th & 5th seed teams).
Noss though has the combination of physicality/energy and technical ability for that type of game.

Coventry is the only real no.6 we have coming through that's close to ready (Hodge is a couple of years away at least), I would have him in as Cullens understudy.

I certainly would have preferred bringing Festy on instead of Coleman or Brady. Pace on the break in these types of games where we're getting swamped is such a massive attribute to have.

We're still very much in the middle of a rebuild (as much as some would like to deny it), so lets get on with it and get more players through.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

They did get to a World Cup semi final
And euros final in the last two major tournaments.  On a bad run of form currently in division A.  Generally the higher standard of team you are playing for is a reflection of your ability as a player.  The more players playing at the highest level is a reflection of the individual abilities of the members of the team.  The manager then turns them into a collective.  It is a far harder to turn lesser players in a really good team than it is with players of greater ability.  The biggest determining factor of whether a team will be successful at international level is the ability of the players.  That is is 90% of the reason why teams win. There are exceptions like Greece and currently Hungary but players ability is the main driver for success. Scotland have better players than us.  Simple as that which is why they are playing at a higher level. 


And part of that is that the bulk of their squad are in their prime physical years, 23-30.

The bulk of ours are either 30+, or U23s. We only have a small handful of lads in their mid-late 20's.

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by SeanC SeanC wrote:

smallbone yes, Connolly no way - he’s not going to get games in Italy from what we’ve seen so far, Idah unfortunately is completely injury prone but would be a genuine option otherwise, Festy defo an option like Hunt used to be off the bench (speed scares teams). We do need more depth, will Ferguson come through and replace Idah?

Ferguson is 18, so i'm not going to be too harsh, but he was pure sh*te last night despite the goal, he has a long way to go yet despite the hype, time will tell. Connolly is a young lad who earned a 25k a week contract and then lost his way. To dismiss him is pure stupidity! He's a very good footballer if he gets his head right! Idah will hopefully get fit again, super prospect, only 21.


Ferguson is probably 4-5 years away from impacting the senior team IMO. He's got 1 goal & 1 assist in 9 games for the U21s. Parrott at the same age had 4 in 4, & we see how long it's taking him to adapt to senior football.
Ferguson is being overhyped, and that's not a good thing (Connolly, Parrott, Obafemi & Idah all show why, for various reasons), let the lad go to League 1 to develop for a couple of seasons, away from the PL lights/scrutiny/pressure.
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

There are some utter whoppers on here to be posting pathetic gifs and telling people to f*ck themselves because they've mentioned one of the best Irish managers of the past 20 years potentially managing the national side. 

Some proper losers.


"Proper loser" for posting a gif?

Suggesting Hughton take over is either a joke or flat out trolling. His level in management over the last 20 years is irrelevant. He's a dinosaur, the game has left him far behind.

While you're at it why not argue for Mick again, since he actually got us to a World Cup (in his 3rd time of trying, with a fantastic squad at his disposal)......... OH RIGHT because that was 20 f**king years ago and he's a dinosaur too!

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Still feel we are a couple of players short though.  Doesn't look like we will really have anyone else stepping into the team between now and the next campaign so this is kind of it . 
Obafemi maybe could get a bit better I hope

Smallbone, Idah, Connolly, maybe Festy


Yes we definitely will have more players coming in before the Euros quals start.

We have precious little in midfield for this type of game when Knight & Molumby tire. And no backup for Cullen (suspended for the Armenia game?). And what I'll call a "false-depth" at wingback.

Hopefully Idah can get/stay fit. Hopefully Connolly is righting his ship.

Smallbone wouldn't have suited the physicality of tonight's game (he's one for the 4th & 5th seed teams).
Noss though has the combination of physicality/energy and technical ability for that type of game.

Coventry is the only real no.6 we have coming through that's close to ready (Hodge is a couple of years away at least), I would have him in as Cullens understudy.

I certainly would have preferred bringing Festy on instead of Coleman or Brady. Pace on the break in these types of games where we're getting swamped is such a massive attribute to have.

We're still very much in the middle of a rebuild (as much as some would like to deny it), so lets get on with it and get more players through.
I think the physical side to Smallbone's game is under rated because he is a "creative" player, he's a big enough unit and he can put a foot in from what I've seen. Maybe he just needs a little more time to regain the confidence after the illness and the bad injury, but I think he could end up being a really good "8" rather than a "10". He's also quicker than he's given credit for. I'll be amazed if he isn't starting games for us in the Euro qualifiers, injury permitting. He's a proper footballer!
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Originally posted by ErsatzThistle ErsatzThistle wrote:

I thought YBIG played very well and certainly gave us a bloody awful scare !

Any other time the lad Parrot would have scored that chance.

Molumby is a player I would gladly have in our squad.

Please, please, please can you somehow prevent Gary Breen from commentating on games ? He did my feckin head all throughout the match

I appreciate what you're saying but Parrott would miss that chance nine times out of ten. 
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

They did get to a World Cup semi final
And euros final in the last two major tournaments.  On a bad run of form currently in division A.  Generally the higher standard of team you are playing for is a reflection of your ability as a player.  The more players playing at the highest level is a reflection of the individual abilities of the members of the team.  The manager then turns them into a collective.  It is a far harder to turn lesser players in a really good team than it is with players of greater ability.  The biggest determining factor of whether a team will be successful at international level is the ability of the players.  That is is 90% of the reason why teams win. There are exceptions like Greece and currently Hungary but players ability is the main driver for success. Scotland have better players than us.  Simple as that which is why they are playing at a higher level. 


And part of that is that the bulk of their squad are in their prime physical years, 23-30.

The bulk of ours are either 30+, or U23s. We only have a small handful of lads in their mid-late 20's.

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by SeanC SeanC wrote:

smallbone yes, Connolly no way - he’s not going to get games in Italy from what we’ve seen so far, Idah unfortunately is completely injury prone but would be a genuine option otherwise, Festy defo an option like Hunt used to be off the bench (speed scares teams). We do need more depth, will Ferguson come through and replace Idah?

Ferguson is 18, so i'm not going to be too harsh, but he was pure sh*te last night despite the goal, he has a long way to go yet despite the hype, time will tell. Connolly is a young lad who earned a 25k a week contract and then lost his way. To dismiss him is pure stupidity! He's a very good footballer if he gets his head right! Idah will hopefully get fit again, super prospect, only 21.


Ferguson is probably 4-5 years away from impacting the senior team IMO. He's got 1 goal & 1 assist in 9 games for the U21s. Parrott at the same age had 4 in 4, & we see how long it's taking him to adapt to senior football.
Ferguson is being overhyped, and that's not a good thing (Connolly, Parrott, Obafemi & Idah all show why, for various reasons), let the lad go to League 1 to develop for a couple of seasons, away from the PL lights/scrutiny/pressure.
I agree 100% with this. The hype around these young lads does them no favours and it's kind of sad when lads start getting on the likes of Connolly, Idah or Parrott's case just cause they're not the 2nd coming! They all want to wear the green and win games, it's not easy!
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Originally posted by ErsatzThistle ErsatzThistle wrote:

I thought YBIG played very well and certainly gave us a bloody awful scare !

Any other time the lad Parrot would have scored that chance.

Molumby is a player I would gladly have in our squad.

Please, please, please can you somehow prevent Gary Breen from commentating on games ? He did my feckin head all throughout the match

I appreciate what you're saying but Parrott would miss that chance nine times out of ten. 
That's unfair, but I have to confess, I didn't fancy him at the time. That said, hopefully, he'll learn from it and bury the next one to get us to the Euros.
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

There are some utter whoppers on here to be posting pathetic gifs and telling people to f*ck themselves because they've mentioned one of the best Irish managers of the past 20 years potentially managing the national side. 

Some proper losers.


"Proper loser" for posting a gif?

Suggesting Hughton take over is either a joke or flat out trolling. His level in management over the last 20 years is irrelevant. He's a dinosaur, the game has left him far behind.

While you're at it why not argue for Mick again, since he actually got us to a World Cup (in his 3rd time of trying, with a fantastic squad at his disposal)......... OH RIGHT because that was 20 f**king years ago and he's a dinosaur too!

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Still feel we are a couple of players short though.  Doesn't look like we will really have anyone else stepping into the team between now and the next campaign so this is kind of it . 
Obafemi maybe could get a bit better I hope

Smallbone, Idah, Connolly, maybe Festy


Yes we definitely will have more players coming in before the Euros quals start.

We have precious little in midfield for this type of game when Knight & Molumby tire. And no backup for Cullen (suspended for the Armenia game?). And what I'll call a "false-depth" at wingback.

Hopefully Idah can get/stay fit. Hopefully Connolly is righting his ship.

Smallbone wouldn't have suited the physicality of tonight's game (he's one for the 4th & 5th seed teams).
Noss though has the combination of physicality/energy and technical ability for that type of game.

Coventry is the only real no.6 we have coming through that's close to ready (Hodge is a couple of years away at least), I would have him in as Cullens understudy.

I certainly would have preferred bringing Festy on instead of Coleman or Brady. Pace on the break in these types of games where we're getting swamped is such a massive attribute to have.

We're still very much in the middle of a rebuild (as much as some would like to deny it), so lets get on with it and get more players through.
I don't really rate Coventry btw, but there's a paucity of options there, so maybe he gets promoted by default.
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