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Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

If there's about to be a negotiation what does Putin actually want? 

Scary to think this is the 'cleanest' end to the war. The fact that it's been drawn out so long surely has damaged the Russian military on the plus side.

Nato to stop expanding to its border might help.

Clown take. 

Anybody can voluntarily join a defensive alliance. Especially if your countries sovereignty is directly threatened by an unfriendly neighbour.
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Lukashenko in serious bother it would seem 
They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

If there's about to be a negotiation what does Putin actually want? 

Scary to think this is the 'cleanest' end to the war. The fact that it's been drawn out so long surely has damaged the Russian military on the plus side.

Nato to stop expanding to its border might help.

Clown take. 

Anybody can voluntarily join a defensive alliance. Especially if your countries sovereignty is directly threatened by an unfriendly neighbour.

It isn't my "take". 

The question was asked, "what does Putin actually want?" 

I believe this is what he wants based on what I have read. I even shared an article by an academic that suggests that.

I never said countries shouldn't join NATO or have the right to if they so choose, but please continue to read between the lines and create your own narratives. 
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Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:


It isn't my "take". 

The question was asked, "what does Putin actually want?" 

I believe this is what he wants based on what I have read. I even shared an article by an academic that suggests that.

I never said countries shouldn't join NATO or have the right to if they so choose, but please continue to read between the lines and create your own narratives. 

But some key facts are missing in the article. Including the fact that the pro-Russian government was responsible for the revolution in 2014 over weakening links to the EU. The police then opened fire on protestors, killing 100 of the them. Around that time, then then pro-Russian President fled to start a new independent republic, and when that didn’t happen fled entirely to Russia. So the ‘Western backed coup’ line doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

But neither does the NATO encroachment argument. Especially, when as a counterweight, Russia has been encroaching on adjacent lands for years. Beyond Crimea, Russia had invaded small pockets of Ukraine before 2008, and lands in adjacent countries. Moldova and Georgia both have ‘separatists’ at play, and they are all very much Russian backed and Russian funded, while Russia plays off regions against each other in a divide and conquer approach.

The provocation argument doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Not least because, in a political scientific sense it’s to be noted that it was very predictable who, in the public sphere would argue this point, and it is those who believe that America is bad and responsible for every I’ll that happens in the world.
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Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

Originally posted by irish_major irish_major wrote:

If there's about to be a negotiation what does Putin actually want? 

Scary to think this is the 'cleanest' end to the war. The fact that it's been drawn out so long surely has damaged the Russian military on the plus side.

Nato to stop expanding to its border might help.

Clown take. 

Anybody can voluntarily join a defensive alliance. Especially if your countries sovereignty is directly threatened by an unfriendly neighbour.

It isn't my "take". 

The question was asked, "what does Putin actually want?" 

I believe this is what he wants based on what I have read. I even shared an article by an academic that suggests that.

I never said countries shouldn't join NATO or have the right to if they so choose, but please continue to read between the lines and create your own narratives. 
Who gives a sh*t what the modern day Hitler wants. The only focus in the West should be giving Ukraine as much help as possible. 


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