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Putin has now signed a decree to conscript 150,000 men between the age of 18 and 30. Evil bastard killing his youth. 
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Wouldnt say its 1 million miles away from the same principle

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/31/1226251649/ukraine-russia-war-conscription-military#:~:text=Since%20the%20start%20of%20Russia's,but%20are%20encouraged%20to%20volunteer.

Since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine has been under martial law, which prohibits men ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country and requires them to register for military service. Men between the ages of 18 and 26 can't be drafted but are encouraged to volunteer.
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Started a decade ago

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I’m almost certain you (or somebody here) has shared this before? I assume this goes to the ‘provocation’ line, but assistance from foreign intelligence agencies is not uncommon, nor is it wrong. It is requested by the host state.
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Started a decade ago
So a decade ago after Russia acted aggressively towards Ukraine the CIA helps Ukraine defend itself? Fair play to them. 

What's next China is justified in invading every south China sea neighbour because they're aligning themselves with the US? Historical brotherly nation of china , Vietnam must be invaded and demilitarised as they draw closer ties with the US? 

This invasion of Ukraine is indefensible.
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Started a decade ago
So a decade ago after Russia acted aggressively towards Ukraine the CIA helps Ukraine defend itself? Fair play to them. 

What's next China is justified in invading every south China sea neighbour because they're aligning themselves with the US? Historical brotherly nation of china , Vietnam must be invaded and demilitarised as they draw closer ties with the US? 

This invasion of Ukraine is indefensible.


LOL ah here LOL
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The Kremlin again repeating the nonsense that this is a NATO v Russia conflict calling it a direct confrontation. They literally do not care about Ukraine or consider their direct responsibility.
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Started a decade ago
So a decade ago after Russia acted aggressively towards Ukraine the CIA helps Ukraine defend itself? Fair play to them. 

What's next China is justified in invading every south China sea neighbour because they're aligning themselves with the US? Historical brotherly nation of china , Vietnam must be invaded and demilitarised as they draw closer ties with the US? 

This invasion of Ukraine is indefensible.

If you read it it says CIA wwere involved from 10 years ago. 2014. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

Started a decade ago

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I’m almost certain you (or somebody here) has shared this before? I assume this goes to the ‘provocation’ line, but assistance from foreign intelligence agencies is not uncommon, nor is it wrong. It is requested by the host state.

MSM American Media article admitting CIA were invloved in Ukraine up to 10 years ago.
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That doesn’t mean they were involved in the Euromaidan. It doesn’t mean they were involved in the ending of the Yanukovych regime, and it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t mean that it had anything to do with the ongoing invasion. All you can say is that Ukraine has collaborated with the CIA, for intelligence purposes after Russia invaded Crimea. Like I said, seeking outside assistance for intelligence purposes is not unusual, nefarious, nor unprecedented.

And this is the key part, the MSM are not unearthing some scandal. But if some people want to believe this is all part of a wider tissue of related activity, there is little that can be done.


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Meanwhile Macron and now Finland signing a 10 year security pact with Ukraine.




Lucky for Ukraine those FAB bombs aren't too accurate otherwise they'd be in huge trouble. Look at the amount of craters (misses) trying to take out that bridge.




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Russia’s own belligerence backfiring terribly on them here.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

That doesn’t mean they were involved in the Euromaidan. It doesn’t mean they were involved in the ending of the Yanukovych regime, and it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t mean that it had anything to do with the ongoing invasion. All you can say is that Ukraine has collaborated with the CIA, for intelligence purposes after Russia invaded Crimea. Like I said, seeking outside assistance for intelligence purposes is not unusual, nefarious, nor unprecedented.

And this is the key part, the MSM are not unearthing some scandal. But if some people want to believe this is all part of a wider tissue of related activity, there is little that can be done.

It doesnt mean anything no, but it does show american fingerprints in Ukraine pre invasion.

Logically speaking this has happened.

CIA in Ukraine for 10 years did not stop the invasion. It begs the question to me anyway if they werent there would the invasion have happened? We will never know. did they infact exacerbate the threat.
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

That doesn’t mean they were involved in the Euromaidan. It doesn’t mean they were involved in the ending of the Yanukovych regime, and it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t mean that it had anything to do with the ongoing invasion. All you can say is that Ukraine has collaborated with the CIA, for intelligence purposes after Russia invaded Crimea. Like I said, seeking outside assistance for intelligence purposes is not unusual, nefarious, nor unprecedented.

And this is the key part, the MSM are not unearthing some scandal. But if some people want to believe this is all part of a wider tissue of related activity, there is little that can be done.

It doesnt mean anything no, but it does show american fingerprints in Ukraine pre invasion.

Logically speaking this has happened.

CIA in Ukraine for 10 years did not stop the invasion. It begs the question to me anyway if they werent there would the invasion have happened? We will never know. did they infact exacerbate the threat.
The invasion began over 10 years ago. The Russian meddling in Ukraine started hundreds of years ago.
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again We are stuck in a double think here lads. Either The CIA were there to help Ukraine protect themselves or they werent. Either way they did not stop an invasion. 
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

That doesn’t mean they were involved in the Euromaidan. It doesn’t mean they were involved in the ending of the Yanukovych regime, and it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t mean that it had anything to do with the ongoing invasion. All you can say is that Ukraine has collaborated with the CIA, for intelligence purposes after Russia invaded Crimea. Like I said, seeking outside assistance for intelligence purposes is not unusual, nefarious, nor unprecedented.

And this is the key part, the MSM are not unearthing some scandal. But if some people want to believe this is all part of a wider tissue of related activity, there is little that can be done.

It doesnt mean anything no, but it does show american fingerprints in Ukraine pre invasion.

Logically speaking this has happened.

CIA in Ukraine for 10 years did not stop the invasion. It begs the question to me anyway if they werent there would the invasion have happened? We will never know. did they infact exacerbate the threat.

The Russian beef is (allegedly) with NATO. Not the CIA. And American involvement in one element of Ukrainian life gives rise to a reasonable assumption it is involved in that. And using 2014 as the benchmark, civil unrest already had begun.
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

again We are stuck in a double think here lads. Either The CIA were there to help Ukraine protect themselves or they werent. Either way they did not stop an invasion. 
You can help without stopping an invasion. They trained them which was vital otherwise their defence might not have worked. 
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[QUOTE=OohAah...]again We are stuck in a double think here lads. Either The CIA were there to help Ukraine protect themselves or they werent. Either way they did not stop an invasion. [/QUOTE

In fairness, it’s not double-speak. It’s common practice in geo-political circles. Hence why the world and its mother knew that an invasion was coming before it happened (notwithstanding how clowns like George Galloway were snidely people to ‘show some bloody humility’ when he was still peddling the line that Russia wasn’t going to invade Ukraine).
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