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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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How many modern Olympic Games haven't failed from a legacy point of view though? I would say very, very few.
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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10744 |
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I wouldn't even for a second suggest they have been successful attempts. The legacy of Athens 2004 is a legacy of profligate and needless expenditure to host a historical vanity project. London 2012 was one of the few truly sensible Olympic Games which has maintained a degree of legacy. The rest are either token, or like Greece, and undoubtedly Rio will be legacies of genuine damage.
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Jack Charlton Joined: 11 Nov 2014 Location: Southampton. Status: Offline Points: 7811 |
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An outstanding advertisement
Liam Neeson should swing it in our direction. It' would be magnificent if we can hold a world wide tournament it would be amazing actually, it made me truly proud to be Irish watching that short video. |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Certainly has left a long and lasting legacy at West Ham..........Joking aside, it has seemingly done a lot for the participation of the public in sport, albeit at an entirely unnecessary cost. Maybe Sydney had an impact too, especially culturally thanks to Cathy Freeman, all others have been as disastrous as recent World Cups. Poor old Rio.
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Joe Stalin
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Couple of points, mainly in response to RTID:
1. Comparisons with France and their infrastructure are ludicrous. Infrastructure is not the only factor in the decision. NZ is the comparator and they hosted it in stadia with grass banks and in towns that shut at 9pm. NZ towns make Thurles and Castlebar seem like Vegas. All of the Irish towns proposed can easily cater for the numbers. 2. Terryland, Tallaght etc. is equally ludicrous. The hosts make their money from ticket sales and so the incentive is to maximise the seats. Irish people are event junkies and will pack out Castlebar for Fiji vs. russis just to be part of the world cup experience 3. Bearing point 2 in mind, the organsiers don't care about legacy issues. Most sport orgs don't - if they did we wouldn't have the Olympics or football world cups in South Africa or Brazil. It's about bums on seats. 4. We'll win the bid. France are the only opposition and they had it in 2007. Now they've a very expensive and real terrorist threat to deal with it amongst other things. Ireland offers stability and money and Govt backing. This is in the bag. 5. For clarity sake I should add I can't stand rugby...do hope we win though as I think this bid could kick-start some much needed infrastructural investment in the country.
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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10744 |
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That which was purpose built for 2012 is used on the regular, which has been a very good thing. Facilities in both the area around Stratford and in places like Loughton are constantly used, and have significantly increased the participate in sports which are highly prized Olympic Games. This includes the likes of Wapping Hockey Club, who I understand have grown to something like 20 senior teams, with a waiting list to boot. The venues which would struggle to maintain themselves financially after the games were temporary, and have been taken down. On most weekends the Olympic Park is full of elite amateur, and purely amateur sports people. As such, I believe that from an amateur point of view, it is money very well spent, particularly as with transport infrastructure, it is a facility available to anybody in the London area, albeit with various transport times. It should not have been held in Rio. The locals were simply too poor to support the games in the way that Londoners did, and as such there was no demand for tickets. I would see Qatar 2022 going exactly the same way, as I foresee many supporters simply not making the trip for a number of reasons.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I have heard and read all sorts of statistics and personal views, all of which contradict each other, about the use of facilities since the Olympics, like most things the truth lies somewhere in the middle. This article, which I remember reading at time of publication, seems a fair enough summary. http://www.theguardian.com/cities/davehillblog/2015/jul/23/london-olympic-legacy-three-years-on-2012-games One thing I will say, from a purely personal point of view, Stratford is a far more hideous place now than when I first visited in 2010.
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Ray Houghton Joined: 13 Aug 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 3656 |
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This is Rugby country is finally becoming a reality, maybe we'll have a nice double away header in a far flung destination
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I'm the gaffer whatever I say goes.
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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10744 |
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Stratford is certainly now a two speed location, which would appear to be part of intended re-generation. Whether that comes to fruition or not will only be told by 2028-2032 at the earliest. However, I would be of the view that the London legacy is far greater and more professionally executed than many that have gone before. The article does acknowledge the public usage and availability of the facilities, while whether you agree with the use of the Stadium or not, between football, rugby league and union, athletics (the World Championships will bring out the punters en masse), and music, along with a variety of public events (10k runs etc) this is a far better and more effective use of the venue than simply letting it go to wrack and ruin, or prop up an athletics stadium entirely on public funds, which never gets filled. I personally think the brass tax legacy of London 2012 is highly commendable
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Jack Charlton Bohs number 1 fan Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8529 |
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The use of facilities argument after the fact is moot here - there are no new venues planned and the GAA venues will be as underused as they ever were but with standards brought up a notch.
I just find it quite short termist that the IRFU are (potentially) happy to give the GAA a huge bounce that they seem to have no interest in keeping in house.
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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10744 |
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But if there is no need for new venues, which there really isn't, there is no need to set out to build from scratch a stadium, at undoubtedly a far greater cost, and which is liable to be a white elephant. A competition like this does not really need a long term vision. Particularly as facilities in Irish Rugby are already World Class, and this is at schools level before professional and senior rugby is involved in the discussion.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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As someone who used to go and watch Orient, as well as the FA's decision to ignore their own rules added to my own dislike of West Ham means I was never going to be a fan of football there, otherwise it is hard to disagree from a sporting point of view, I guess the housing issue and any proposed re-generation is part of a much deeper housing problem in London. Stratford used to be a bit of a kip, like other nearby areas, now it is a completely soulless kip.
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Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8373 |
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Effectively this is a GAA bid with the IRFU as a minority partner, and not the other way around.
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10744 |
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I think the sporting value is something that I greatly value, particularly from an amateur level. Its quite incredible the number of people who are amateur sports-players who can claim to have used Olympic facilities, and who really enjoy the prospect of potentially using them. The numbers of people who have used the running track in the stadium, or the adjoining facilities is quite special, and is certainly promoting sport in ways that were not previously possible. Ultimately, I would view it as a soulless area, with a significant emphasis on sport, rather than what it used by like out there. Hence, I find it hard not to support what it has become.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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It had a bit of character but it has gone, same thing could be said of London in general though.
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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10744 |
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The East End still has plenty of character. But I appreciate that since the 1980s there has been significant change between the regeneration of the City, the building up of Canary Wharf, and indeed the Olympic Project.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Taking this way off-topic but I find nearly all of London soulless now, something I once would have only accused small pockets of being. Even Brixton, which was my favourite place, is being overrun with ****s. Try to avoid the place these days, although I am meant to go to Orient on New Year's Eve, if they are still going.
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Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Rome and Munich probably. Barcelona definitely (the most successful example). Sydney (arguably). |
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