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Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Or maybe the men are sticking by Kenny because they like him and find him a good manager to work for and maybe the girls hated working for Vera and found her methods outdated and not professional 


Or maybe he just takes it too easy on them after the numerous poor performances they’ve put on? Just a thought. 

Either way, will he interest to see how the ladies fare without Pauw. 


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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.

Is she? I dont have much time for her!
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.

Is she? I dont have much time for her!

She is! Arguably far more popular than Stephen Kenny in fact, who tends to divide people.

If Caldwell is giving us a snapshot of what was going on in the squad, they don't come out of it well at all....makes them sound like a bunch of self entitled prima donnas with inflated views of their own worth.
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.

Is she? I dont have much time for her!

She is! Arguably far more popular than Stephen Kenny in fact, who tends to divide people.

If Caldwell is giving us a snapshot of what was going on in the squad, they don't come out of it well at all....makes them sound like a bunch of self entitled prima donnas with inflated views of their own worth.

Or they make Vera look like an old school throwback with zero social skills and the tactical acumen of a grapefruit!
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

I bet you the lads wouldn't be getting the abuse if they were coming out with this.



The situation is obviously different but similar happened after Martin O'Neill was sacked - Matt Doherty, Conor Hourihane and potentially one or two others spoke out about the poor preparation for games, lack of tactics etc

42.ie article about Doherty's comments below, comment section is interesting in the context of the current situation:



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You can tell the women haven't had the same media training that professional men's players in the top divisions in England pretty much all get. They know full well not to say anything bad about Kenny, even if they privately think he's not up to the job. The reason media trained players say nothing of note in these situations is that they know there is nothing to gain from it.

Absolutely mental stuff from Caldwell, it would be controversial if she was still in post, but at least there would be some kind of purpose to it, if they were maybe worried the FAI were thinking of keeping her on.

But to come out and say it after she's gone anyway is just stupid beyond belief. Makes a martyr of Pauw among her supporters, makes Caldwell and the women's players in general come across as nasty and spiteful and sets a very clear target that now has to be met to back up her stated position that Pauw was holding them back.

But she's said it now so the target has been publicly set. If they don't qualify for the Euros and the next World Cup at an absolute minimum they're going to look even worse than they already do now. 

I suppose given her age Caldwell won't be around to prove the point either way. But I doubt too many of her teammates will be thanking her for that outburst. It's one of the headlines on the BBC sport homepage now, so you can't put a much clearer target on your own team's back than this.


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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.
It's still all guesswork re Pauw although sacked from the Dutch role, banned from coaching in the US and now a mutiny against her in her previous role and no contract extension despite the fact she got a team to their first WC.

Now, I'm no detective but it's not exactly difficult to see what the common denominator here is? 

Let's see how hugely popular and respected she is when trying to find a new role. But, maybe everyone who's actually worked with her is wrong and the few fellas on YBIG who have no involvement or knowledge of her are correct? 
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.
It's still all guesswork re Pauw although sacked from the Dutch role, banned from coaching in the US and now a mutiny against her in her previous role and no contract extension despite the fact she got a team to their first WC.

Now, I'm no detective but it's not exactly difficult to see what the common denominator here is? 

Let's see how hugely popular and respected she is when trying to find a new role. But, maybe everyone who's actually worked with her is wrong and the few fellas on YBIG who have no involvement or knowledge of her are correct? 


Your manager could be absolutely sh*t but you shouldn't be disrespectful and or act out of insubordination.

The players are a disgrace.  Just like Roy Keane was in Saipan.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.
It's still all guesswork re Pauw although sacked from the Dutch role, banned from coaching in the US and now a mutiny against her in her previous role and no contract extension despite the fact she got a team to their first WC.

Now, I'm no detective but it's not exactly difficult to see what the common denominator here is? 

Let's see how hugely popular and respected she is when trying to find a new role. But, maybe everyone who's actually worked with her is wrong and the few fellas on YBIG who have no involvement or knowledge of her are correct? 


Your manager could be absolutely sh*t but you shouldn't be disrespectful and or act out of insubordination.

The players are a disgrace.  Just like Roy Keane was in Saipan.
Caldwells comments were unprofessional and pretty stupid. Doesn't take away from my point about Vera Pauw.
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.
It's still all guesswork re Pauw although sacked from the Dutch role, banned from coaching in the US and now a mutiny against her in her previous role and no contract extension despite the fact she got a team to their first WC.

Now, I'm no detective but it's not exactly difficult to see what the common denominator here is? 

Let's see how hugely popular and respected she is when trying to find a new role. But, maybe everyone who's actually worked with her is wrong and the few fellas on YBIG who have no involvement or knowledge of her are correct? 


Exactly everyone is wrong but Vera and the lads on ybig who took and interest in women’s football when we qualified so as a result think Vera is the best thing since slice bread.  The cult of we don’t have the players but we only qualified because of the manager was also peddled by many.  The players are backing themselves and are used to working in more professional setups.  
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

I bet you the lads wouldn't be getting the abuse if they were coming out with this.



Can you imagine, the Kenny Out brigade would be cheering them on ! Wink


some of this stuff came out after O’Neill from one or two players. But I think it’s etiquette in football not to do this. Like unless it’s pure coincidence after years of being sh*te and nowhere near qualification pauw stumbled upon a golden generation which she was inadvertently holding back. They must be a deluded bunch 

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There was always this ''held us back'' stuff about all our successful managers.

Jack Charlton- Didnt play Brady.  Played hoofball.  We would have gone further had he trusted the players...

Mick McCarthy:  Shambolic preparation.  Substandard.  Thats why Roy walked out as it didnt match Man Utd.  Mick was tactically inept. Played Keane sweeper, didn;t realise Spain were down to 10 men....

Trap:  Didn't trust the players.  Played old fashioned 4-4-2.  Didnt have 3 in the middle.  We were overrun. He watched DVDs instead of going to matches.  He didn;t play wes Hoolahan or Andy Reid.  We only played well when the players did their own thing.  The training was too hard beofre the Euros....should have got better results if he trusted the players....

MON:  Didnt do training properly. Didnt pick Hoolahan away from home.  Played pre historic hoofball.  Hadn;t a clue tactically.  Used outdated Brian Clough approach and remedies that had long stopped working.

Mick 2.0 :  Showed a lack of ambition.  Didnt play to win in Georgia. Conceded defeat against the Swiss before kick off.  Was useless. Failed everywhere he went.  Sacked at Blackpool. Found out.


Funny as the cure for these bluffers above were Brian Kerr and Stephen Kenny who failed badly and brought us miles backwards.

Amazing these women players suddenly think they are world beaters who Pauw held back.  They were absolutely useless until a few years ago.  We'll see how they do when the new manager comes in and I bet they fail badly.
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Absolutely disgraceful comments from Caldwell. I don't know who is advising her, but putting the boot into a hugely popular and respected figure like Vera is a seriously bad look.

She's also creating huge pressure for the team going forward with her claim that Pauw had zero input into the squad's success over the last two years.
It's still all guesswork re Pauw although sacked from the Dutch role, banned from coaching in the US and now a mutiny against her in her previous role and no contract extension despite the fact she got a team to their first WC.

Now, I'm no detective but it's not exactly difficult to see what the common denominator here is? 

Let's see how hugely popular and respected she is when trying to find a new role. But, maybe everyone who's actually worked with her is wrong and the few fellas on YBIG who have no involvement or knowledge of her are correct? 

I wouldn't be a Stephen Kenny fan but I'd feel really bad for the guy if one of the men's team came out and dissed him like this at a press conference. I don't care what has been going on behind the scenes, you don't trash your manager like that.....it's totally unprofessional, especially from a mere bit part squad member.
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Bit part player.  She was part of the leadership group
And she has been around for years and has had tonnes of caps.  
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Women(s football) = Drama.

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Bit part player.  She was part of the leadership group
And she has been around for years and has had tonnes of caps.  

In that case, where were all the Euro and WC qualifications during her long career pre-Pauw? Or is she  claiming that this is a talented squad but admitting that she herself is a useless player?
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