Religion In Schools

9fingers wrote: Siralex wrote: 9fingers wrote: Siralex wrote: Let's put it simply: There is nobody on these forums willing to put their hands up and say that they believe that a God created this earth about 4,000 years ago. Yet there are a load of lads on here who were baptised and had a comunion and a confirmation and got married in a church and then when the cycle comes around again they are happy to baptise their kids and have them make their communion and confirmation and so on and so on... Why, is the question. If nobody believes in the essence of the bible, why are you still going through this religious cycle in your everyday lives? It's a very straightforward question. I won't be posting on this thread any further, for fear of insulting people with genuine faith, but I'd be very happy to, and fascinated to, read people's answers to that question...I've asked many a person that question in person, and have never heard a reasonable answer.... That's a complete cop out. Your original point was about religion in the classroom now you're spouting on about religion full stop. Everything I've put to you, you've completely ignored. You've done a Barlow on it Excuse me? I'm sorry if I haven't answered any questions you put to me. Please ask them again and I'll answer em straight away... ...And how is my point a cop out. I'm asking people if they don't believe in the bible, why are they OK with sending their kids to Christian schools, a very obvious question in this thread, surely? But send on your questions, I'll happily answer them. Please. Your original point was Why in 2014 do you have to send your child to a school where religion is a must. Your point has since morphed into an attack on religion with little regard for facts or individuals. You also stated that you don't plan on having kids so are, in essence, playing Devils advocate. You stated that atheist people have a better quality of life. How exactly can justify this comment? You called practising Catholics eejits among other things, I asked who are you to question what makes billions of people world wide happy I put to you that everything is not black and white, you ignored this You questioned my religion, my spirituality and asked why I was so upset. I answered all you're questions SA. You answered none of mine.

Sorry mate, but I went through your posts and I didn't see any questions. The only one I seen was the one where you asked 'How can I say that about people being happier if they are athietst and I answered that from my own experiences in my life, this is the case." Apart from that, you didn't ask me anything. The only other question I seen from me or you on this thread, was me asking if you had faith, but you never answered.

If you'd like to have a debate on the bible, I would certainly be up for having that with you. 100%. But this thread is about religion in schools. I started the thread, and have continued in that vain. You seem to think me saying certain things about religion don't count here, eh...yes they do! I am giving my opinions on religion, because we are having a discussion about religion in schools.

I'd love to ask you some other questions in another thread, so we can have an open discussion about the bible and your faith; you on?

I'll answer any questions you have.

9fingers wrote: Jaysus. You started by saying religion shouldn't be taught in schools now you agree with Hoosay that it should. I've had enough.

You seem to be misunderstanding something very simple.

I, of course, am all on for teaching religion as an open subject in school, maybe part of History lessons as I have already said on here.

But - I can't belive you haven't picked up the difference - teaching kids that the Bible is the word of God or is factual SHOULD NOT be taught in schols.


How the f**k did you not understand my view on that? It's very straight forward...Look at the bloody article I started this thread with. I am talking about having our schools as 98% Christian - that's y point. There should be NO BIAS in schools. Me or you shouldn't have to have our kids enter in to a religion before they are accepted in our schools...

Are you missing the whole point of this argument?


Just incase, you are mssing my points, which I fear you have been...


SHOULD RELIGION BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS?

Of course it should, but in no way even remotely close to the way it is being taught right now in schools. It should be taught from an open-minded point of view and an historic point of view.


SHOULD YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOU COMMUNION OR CONFIRMATION THROUGH SCHOOL?

100% not!!!!! It's an appallingly dated practice.

Are you honestly telling me that you think kids are being taught in school that bible should be taken literally????

I'm 30 years old, when in primary school, the religious aspect would been learning prayers and sharing, caring etc etc. in secondary school, religion class was about learning of other cultures, religions, live choices, spirituality and that sort of thing. Both schools were former Christian bros schools.

You remind a lot of Brendan Gleesons character in The Guard, I like Don Cheadle am struggling to work out if you really f**kin dumb or really f**kin smart.

I really think you are letting your clear hatred for organised religion cloud your judgement on what actually happens in a religion class.

I do agree that a child's religion should not affect positively or negatively on his education but I think you are way off the mark in what actually happens in schools these days

9fingers wrote: Are you honestly telling me that you think kids are being taught in school that bible should be taken literally???? I'm 30 years old, when in primary school, the religious aspect would been learning prayers and sharing, caring etc etc. in secondary school, religion class was about learning of other cultures, religions, live choices, spirituality and that sort of thing. Both schools were former Christian bros schools. You remind a lot of Brendan Gleesons character in The Guard, I like Don Cheadle am struggling to work out if you really f**kin dumb or really f**kin smart. I really think you are letting your clear hatred for organised religion cloud your judgement on what actually happens in a religion class. I do agree that a child's religion should not affect positively or negatively on his education but I think you are way off the mark in what actually happens in schools these days

I could be way off on what they teach in religion, but once again - you are missing the point.

The point I am trying to make is that people shouldn't have to have their kids baptised in order to apply for a school. That 7-years-olds shouldn't have to make their communion through school. That 12-years-olds shouldn't have to make their confirmation through school.

How can you not understand that?

Education should not be religion-biased, surely?









Edited by Siralex - 27 Jan 2014 at 6:46pm

9fingers wrote: Siralex wrote: 9fingers wrote: Are you honestly telling me that you think kids are being taught in school that bible should be taken literally???? I'm 30 years old, when in primary school, the religious aspect would been learning prayers and sharing, caring etc etc. in secondary school, religion class was about learning of other cultures, religions, live choices, spirituality and that sort of thing. Both schools were former Christian bros schools. You remind a lot of Brendan Gleesons character in The Guard, I like Don Cheadle am struggling to work out if you really f**kin dumb or really f**kin smart. I really think you are letting your clear hatred for organised religion cloud your judgement on what actually happens in a religion class. I do agree that a child's religion should not affect positively or negatively on his education but I think you are way off the mark in what actually happens in schools these days I could be way off on what they teach in religion, but once again - you are missing the point. The point I am trying to make is that people shouldn't have to have their kids baptised in order to apply for a school. That 7-years-olds shouldn't have to make their communion through school. That 12-years-olds shouldn't have to make their confirmation through school. How can you not understand that? (i)Education should not be religion-biased, surely? I just said this. Your opening post called for religion to be removed from schools. You've since edited this out as you now agree with Hoosay that it should be taught but not the way it is being taught even though you don't know what that is. I do agree re communion and confirmation and that there should be more choice of schools. As I've said all along I agree with a lot you are saying, but I couldn't agree when you called religious folk insane, idiots, stupid, that they've a lower quality of life etc etc Throw away remarks with no factual basis will not improve any argument SA

Exactly!


Dude, I don;t know how you could have picked me up wrong. My point has clearly about removing the christianity from schools so that you don't have to have any faith to attend a school in the country. Surely that's obvious, that goes without saying!

That's what the article I posted up was all about. As for my views on people with faith, I am entitled to my opinion. I ain't holding back. I think people who believe in teh story of the bible should be asked why they believe in it....They assume they know the answer to life's questions. my point is that I do not have the answer, nobody has. So it is quite idiotic, in my opinion, to assume you know what happens when you die, because nobody does.

SA you sort of remind me of Ross Gellar in Friends. What is with the desperation for everyone to agree with you? It comes across as obnoxious to some people but to me you just seem needy as f**k!
For someone who thinks the notion of God and organized religion is so laughable and irrelevant in this day and age, you spend a lot of time talking about it and researching it as you've said earlier. It's like you're trying to reassure yourself you're right or something! If you're not gonna have kids, why do you give a f**k?

And just so you know, I'm not the slightest bit religious but I genuinely couldn't care less what other people believe in. The only time I've been in a church in the last few years has been for funerals.

Read a very interesting book last month called 'a return to love' a reflection on a course in miracles' marianne williamson.

It's a great read. A jew explaining christianity and her world vision. I really liked this book and recommend reading it.

I was deeply upset with the church over how they handled sexual abuse. I am disappointed at how they manage issues like contraception, gay people and celibacy for priests. Its 2014 for goodness sake.

Pope Francis is a good guy. His heart is in the right place and he has criminalised paedophilia in the vatican. Yes imagine before this it was' nt a crime. That in itself is such a disgrace.
He also said that if gay people wanted to worship it was' nt his place to judge him.
He supposedly leaves the vatican every night to feed the poor.

Is it a pr stunt. Is this a high profile big budget attempt by thd biggest religion in the world to rebuild their good name. Sadly it probably is and like all multibillion businesses the church has to look after business.

I did'nt christan my kids. I nearly was bullied into it by my mam but stood my ground and we are happy with that decision.
I searched everywhere recently to find a book of religious stories from all religions and could not find one. I have not signed our son up for religious classes in school. Here in Poland its an option. A popular one but not compulsary.
However i had a catholic education and in general it was a fantastic education. The time effort and dedication of the nuns in both schools made its mark on me. Everything from music to sport. I would not change it.

The problems that the church has suffered most from were not just because of education. They were different times on all levels.

I rem how naive I thought the nuns were, but you know I still rem some of the stuff they said so well. There are alot of aspects to life and sometimes its nice to be Naive. I would like to see religion being thought by people who are passionate about it.
I am deist agnostic. I have no clue really if there is a god. My general mantra would be 'do onto others as you would have done onto yourself' I'm going to try and teach my kids that. Religion is intereresting and i will be telling them about all religions. Considering that most teachers these days are lay people. Probably married I think the religion classes are probably quite tame.

Good to see things going on anyway.

Considering ur not having kids SA. Surprised your feelings are so strong about this. Maybe your minds not made up after all???

They were actually just talking about just this on TV3 there!

Apparently, yes, you do have to be baptised to be accepted into a number of schools.

Think the argument is being lost here. Religion in your own home - whatever floats your both, religion in themajority of state funded schools - no thanks. It is allegedly a secular republic after all.