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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.
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Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

If you were in a dressing room in Ireland you would be called chocolate.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The O'Shea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2023 at 6:04am
Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

I can just imagine this being one of those paid for summer camps with an official sounding name LOL
We're decent enough..
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Does it have to be one or the other? 

No.

And this is the problem. Both are mutually exclusive to most of our support.

Even Pep enjoys a long ball. 
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Scrappy, ugly, pragmatic winning for an u13 team LOL

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As for the question, I don't think it's black and white. I want a team that wins, obviously. But I also want a team who actually wants the ball to some extent! Like it or not crowds for the last few campaigns have been good because Ireland have been more entertaining to watch. I find that far more casual football fans are watching games. That's important too. The good news is, I think, eventually, we can have both! 
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Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

I can just imagine this being one of those paid for summer camps with an official sounding name LOL

The US Olympic Development Program chooses the top players from various regions and states across the United States to compete in regional and national tournaments.  The top players from these events are then chosen to compete at various age levels for the national team.  But sure, let's have a go at the father who volunteers his time to coaching youth soccer.  What a miserable lot of small minded people some of you sadly are.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The O'Shea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2023 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

I can just imagine this being one of those paid for summer camps with an official sounding name LOL

The US Olympic Development Program chooses the top players from various regions and states across the United States to compete in regional and national tournaments.  The top players from these events are then chosen to compete at various age levels for the national team.  But sure, let's have a go at the father who volunteers his time to coaching youth soccer.  What a miserable lot of small minded people some of you sadly are.


Cheers Brad Bobley, I'm sure your brand of anti-football goes down great with the 13 year olds parents.
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EIRE need to go ultra MON esque except more extreme.

11 man camped on the 6 yard box making it almost impossible to break down.  LEt the opposition wear themselves out shooting into a human wall for 90 mins.  We would draw every game and get 10 points.


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

EIRE need to go ultra MON esque except more extreme.

11 man camped on the 6 yard box making it almost impossible to break down.  LEt the opposition wear themselves out shooting into a human wall for 90 mins.  We would draw every game and get 10 points.


That was Trap's modus operadi was it not? He took one look at our players and thought f**k me, they're dog sh*t! 
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

EIRE need to go ultra MON esque except more extreme.

11 man camped on the 6 yard box making it almost impossible to break down.  LEt the opposition wear themselves out shooting into a human wall for 90 mins.  We would draw every game and get 10 points.


That was Trap's modus operadi was it not? He took one look at our players and thought f**k me, they're dog sh*t! 

Think he had trust in Duff, McGeady, Doyle and Keane. It wasn’t completely bypass midfield under trap, we did get the wingers involved. But we completely gave up the centre 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baldrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2023 at 6:41pm
Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

I can just imagine this being one of those paid for summer camps with an official sounding name LOL

The US Olympic Development Program chooses the top players from various regions and states across the United States to compete in regional and national tournaments.  The top players from these events are then chosen to compete at various age levels for the national team.  But sure, let's have a go at the father who volunteers his time to coaching youth soccer.  What a miserable lot of small minded people some of you sadly are.


There are lots of poster on here who coach underage kids and any coach who puts results ahead of the kids enjoy the game and improving their skill set would be rightly ridiculed, especially when if they had the same lack of self awareness that you appear to have.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shermanator1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2023 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

I can just imagine this being one of those paid for summer camps with an official sounding name LOL

The US Olympic Development Program chooses the top players from various regions and states across the United States to compete in regional and national tournaments.  The top players from these events are then chosen to compete at various age levels for the national team.  But sure, let's have a go at the father who volunteers his time to coaching youth soccer.  What a miserable lot of small minded people some of you sadly are.


There are lots of poster on here who coach underage kids and any coach who puts results ahead of the kids enjoy the game and improving their skill set would be rightly ridiculed, especially when if they had the same lack of self awareness that you appear to have.  

Amusingly enough, this thread began when I questioned a poster who was critical of how our team played in their memorable 2-1 victory over Germany. Baldie clearly prefers style points over actual points. I don't.
In terms of youth soccer in the US, fundamentals and technical skills are very much stressed, yet speed and athleticism often rule the day, typically leading to a more direct style and approach. And apologies if this offends your idealistic nature, but results do matter, even in high level youth soccer. If your team is not successful, the top players and parents will quickly seek out a winning alternative. Right or wrong, that's the way it is.

That will be my last comment on the matter. Enjoy the day.
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Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

How do your coaching sessions go.  Right lads I want you to watch Ireland play Germany from 2015 and give up 70% of the ball and about 10 guilt edge chances and rely on bad finishing and a bit of lucky and last ditch tackles and wait for that moment for a long punt up the field and see you fast wasteful guy I want you to run on to it and finish like you have never finished before.   

Session over lads. 

So very clever you are.  I base my philosophy, tactics, and style of play, on the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of my players. I am very much a pragmatist, and realize at the end of the day, results matter.  My teams are very sound defensively, and are blessed to have a few talented and creative players up front who more often than not, are the difference in tight games. You'd find at virtually every level, that players, parents, fans, etc., are far happier with a scrappy win than an "attractive" defeat.  Human nature.

Please tell me you are not coaching kids.  

I've coached my twin boys who are now 16, and currently playing in the US Olympic Development Program.  Have you a problem with that?  What a strange little man you must be.

I can just imagine this being one of those paid for summer camps with an official sounding name LOL

The US Olympic Development Program chooses the top players from various regions and states across the United States to compete in regional and national tournaments.  The top players from these events are then chosen to compete at various age levels for the national team.  But sure, let's have a go at the father who volunteers his time to coaching youth soccer.  What a miserable lot of small minded people some of you sadly are.


There are lots of poster on here who coach underage kids and any coach who puts results ahead of the kids enjoy the game and improving their skill set would be rightly ridiculed, especially when if they had the same lack of self awareness that you appear to have.  

Amusingly enough, this thread began when I questioned a poster who was critical of how our team played in their memorable 2-1 victory over Germany. Baldie clearly prefers style points over actual points. I don't.
In terms of youth soccer in the US, fundamentals and technical skills are very much stressed, yet speed and athleticism often rule the day, typically leading to a more direct style and approach. And apologies if this offends your idealistic nature, but results do matter, even in high level youth soccer. If your team is not successful, the top players and parents will quickly seek out a winning alternative. Right or wrong, that's the way it is.

That will be my last comment on the matter. Enjoy the day.

When was this 2-1 win over Germany?
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When was this 2-1 win over Germany?
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