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Topic: What is our best team
Posted By: Stickittotheman
Subject: What is our best team
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 12:46pm
One of Stephen Kenny's biggest issues in my opinion has been his inability to nail down his best eleven. The switch to 3 at the back was a bit of pragmatism at the time. However it hasn't really worked. What do we think is our best 11 and best formation going into the future. For instance if we do hire a new manager who do you see a) being the stalwarts and b) should be given a chance to nail down a place in the team.

For me the incoming manager should build the team around Bazunu, Egan, Duffy, Cullen, Ogbene and Ferguson. I think those who should get an opportunity include Ebosele, Smallbone, Johnston. Maybe going forward we look something like this:

Bazunu

Ebosele
Egan
Duffy
Doherty

Cullen
Smallbone
Molumby

Ogbene
Ferguson
Johnston

What are others thoughts? Stay with a back 3? Go two up front? We have a better team than we gave been showing. I will probably be slaughtered for the team above but I am just putting out ideas.


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Posted By: SeaSharp
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 12:53pm
I would say Ebosele and Doherty as full backs is asking for trouble. In general we have an issue with full backs/wing backs who are quite poor defensively, which almost forces us into sticking with 3 CBs. If I had to pick an XI it would probably be something along the lines of

Bazunu
O'Shea Egan Scales
Ebosele Cullen ? Doherty
Ogbene Ferguson Moran

Really not sure who I'd stick alongside Cullen. We're desperate for a midfielder who can pull the strings from a bit deeper whilst still offering enough defensively. Not sure if Azaz fits that criteria necessarily.


Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

One of Stephen Kenny's biggest issues in my opinion has been his inability to nail down his best eleven. The switch to 3 at the back was a bit of pragmatism at the time. However it hasn't really worked. What do we think is our best 11 and best formation going into the future. For instance if we do hire a new manager who do you see a) being the stalwarts and b) should be given a chance to nail down a place in the team.

For me the incoming manager should build the team around Bazunu, Egan, Duffy, Cullen, Ogbene and Ferguson. I think those who should get an opportunity include Ebosele, Smallbone, Johnston. Maybe going forward we look something like this:

Bazunu

Ebosele
Egan
Duffy
Doherty

Cullen
Smallbone
Molumby

Ogbene
Ferguson
Johnston

What are others thoughts? Stay with a back 3? Go two up front? We have a better team than we gave been showing. I will probably be slaughtered for the team above but I am just putting out ideas.
Back 4 is so so slow, would be destroyed against pace...Molumby from what I've seen hasn't got a creative bone in his body, perfect example of midfield player who had been brain washed by coaches into being risk averse and who  runs around all day, looking as if he's doing something but actually isn't impacting on the match. Same criticism of Molumby goes for all our midfield players except maybe Browne who at least tries to get forward. 

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Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:08pm
The midfield has had insufficient evolution during the last three years. In short, is it any more effective than the preferred five man midfield that MM played with Whelan holding behind Hourihane, Hendrick, McClean and Robinson (with Browne as an option). It’s an area that a future regime would need to focus heavily on.


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:18pm
I should have clarified that the team I suggested was a 4-2-3-1 so two sitting midfielders who would be Cullen and Molumby with Smallbone slightly ahead 

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Posted By: SC92
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:19pm
Back 3 is probably fine, they can be much more tactically different and successful than recently for us. Doherty is no full back, and neither is Ebosele at this point and suits our mass of CBs and Ebosele's attacking talents are more use to use higher up the pitch. Issue for me is probably LWB back though, Scales should only be a CB for me. So unless we can convince Cirkin to get on board or a youngster like Adaramola/Roughan can develop dramatically we don't anyone convincing in that role. So probably Doherty at LWB lol.

I don't even mind our attacking options right now but weakness is midfield not the players in themselves but too many similar profiles and not enough balance.






Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:24pm
Bazunu
Doherty Collins Egan O'Shea
Ogbene Knight Cullen Ebosele
Moran
Ferguson

The likes of Coleman, Omobamidele, Johnston, Azaz, Molumby, Obafemi etc would all be marginal calls could be inserted in depending on form and opposition.


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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:27pm
Moran the new Smallbone!

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:31pm
Fist thing the coach has to do is decide on what his philosophy is with regards to tactics and approach to the game based on the players at his disposal.   Most managers have a style of play that they are comfortable coaching.  This talk of pragmatism and adjusting your style of play based on the players doesn’t really happen.  Those coaches just become more defensive as they get older.  If we play with a high line, that rules Duffy out in my view and it means we need at least two fast defenders.  Also with a high line we would then need to press from the front.  If we play a deep line then we can’t press high as the gap between midfield and defence will be too big and we will get picked off.   

I would go with a 4 2 3 1  

Bazunu

Ebosele
Collins 
Egan/Omobamidele
O’Shea 


Cullen
Molumby 


Ogbene
Moran
Johnston

Ferguson 


For weaker teams I wold take Molumby out and replace him with Knight and push Ogbene and Johnston on. 






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Posted By: Badgersboys9
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:50pm
Bazunu 
Collins, Omobamidele, O'Shea, Egan
Ogbene, Cullen, Moran, (?)
Ferguson, (?)

Players which I'd like to see the team built around and certainly not around the likes of Duffy. Still not sure on a few positions. Depends on how a new manager sees us setting up. Kenny tried at least 6/7 players in a wingback position that didn't work and clearly showed we are incapable of playing that system. Hopefully a new manager could have us playing attacking football while getting results. Or, just getting results. 


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 2:08pm
Would still have Coleman in our best team



Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Would still have Coleman in our best team


We have friendlies in March and June and the nations league in September and qualifiers in march 2025.  

We need to have a settled team by March 2025 with a few caps under their belt.  Hard to see Coleman still around in march 2025 so we need alternatives to him and Doherty before then that are needed in.  


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Posted By: Jimmy Raggatip
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 3:47pm
We have a deficiency in midfield, I think we should look to overload the midfield to counter the fact that matching teams man for man there we are going to lose out. This is expecting most of the sides we face to play a form of the modern 4-3-3, or 4-2-3-1

So a 3-4-2-1 with wing backs providing the width (or 5-4-1 without the ball)

perm any 2 from the 4 centre mids named

GK (I wouldn't be averse to trying one of the other lads)

Egan
Collins
Scales

Ogbene
Cullen/Browne
Smallbone/Knight
Doherty

Moran
Szmodics Embarrassed

Ferguson




Posted By: Greenie50
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

One of Stephen Kenny's biggest issues in my opinion has been his inability to nail down his best eleven. The switch to 3 at the back was a bit of pragmatism at the time. However it hasn't really worked. What do we think is our best 11 and best formation going into the future. For instance if we do hire a new manager who do you see a) being the stalwarts and b) should be given a chance to nail down a place in the team.

For me the incoming manager should build the team around Bazunu, Egan, Duffy, Cullen, Ogbene and Ferguson. I think those who should get an opportunity include Ebosele, Smallbone, Johnston. Maybe going forward we look something like this:

Bazunu

Ebosele
Egan
Duffy
Doherty

Cullen
Smallbone
Molumby

Ogbene
Ferguson
Johnston

What are others thoughts? Stay with a back 3? Go two up front? We have a better team than we gave been showing. I will probably be slaughtered for the team above but I am just putting out ideas.


Our best XI & best formation depend entirely on the opposition we're playing. We're a mid-tier team & aren't good enough to have one way of playing vs everybody.

Duffy's has been a great servant, at points he was our most important player, but he's clearly in decline & is pretty much finished playing at international level. Still has a role around the squad as an experienced head.

Egan looks to be out injured long term, possibly for the season. But Sheff Utd fans seem to think he's clearly in decline too, so who knows what he looks like when he comes back. Similar to Duffy, he still has a role around the squad, but I think he'll be taking a step back from playing.

The 2 of them will be 33-34 for the World Cup cycle, so we definitely shouldn't be looking to build around them now.

Scales, Collins & O'Shea are all on the up & playing at a higher level. Omobamidele will likely get a loan in January, O'Brien will hopefully keep his place in OL, & then McGuinness & McNally are both doing well in the Championship.


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 5:18pm
A lot of interesting teams and good suggestions here in fairness. I think our "best team" needs to be different based on who we are playing, I wouldn't play the same eleven against a Gibraltar/Andorra type as I would against England or France. But breaking it down by position I'd say something like this 

GK: it's Bazunu's jersey until Kelleher gives us a reason for it not to be, which it doesn't look like he'll be doing this season at least. Travers is a great shot stopper but doesn't command his area or look confident enough on the ball to get the number 1 spot.

Centre backs: Unless the next manager wants us to play deep and direct this needs to be the end for Duffy. Great lad but the game has moved on. Collins in a better structured defensive setup should be better than he has been. Egan gets the other spot for now but McGuinness should be pushing hard if given a chance and Omobamidele once he gets back playing will come into contention. O'Shea as well of course, but he also needs to be considered for a full back position against better opposition given our issues at left back.

Full backs: Doherty on the right for now, Festy as a bench option. Coleman will be closing in on 36 by the time the Nations League starts so a bench option at best I'd say, assuming he wants to stay involved.

Left back is probably our biggest problem. I don't think any of our left backs are good enough at the moment. My suggestions in the short term would be to either play O'Shea over there, he's quick for a centre back and better defensively than our other options. Alternatively, the man for all seasons/positions, Jason Knight, I'd say would fill the hole there better than any of our actual left backs can.

Midfield: Cullen/Knight(Molumby)/Browne/Smallbone remains our best option in the short term. (Molumby in there only if Knight gets moved elsewhere). It's not brilliant but it is what it is. Who knows what level any of Moran, Azaz or McAteer might be at a year from now to give us a more technical option going forward. 

Ogbene supporting Ferguson is the obvious attacking setup right now. The Ogbene part of that could change depending on how the likes of Idah, Connolly, Obafemi, Szmodics and countless others get on in the next 12 months. Obviously a fit Ferguson always starts.

So basically, against decent opposition, I'd go 4-2-3-1 and play:

                    Bazunu
Doherty Collins Egan O'Shea
              Cullen Browne 
   Ogbene Smallbone Knight
                  Ferguson 

But, more importantly, I'd set the team up with two of those central midfielders staying deep most of the time to protect the centre backs. If Knight goes forward, Smallbone drops back to help Cullen in case an attack breaks down etc. Ogbene would be dropping a lot deeper at times also, with the view that he can start counter attacks from deep, with Ebosele doing similar coming off the bench. For me that's the kind of pragmatism we've been badly missing for the last three years.


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 5:42pm
And, just to add to that, we need to stop trying to methodically pass the ball through midfield when it's so clearly, blatantly obvious that we don't have midfielders with the technical ability to do that with any degree of success. We do need to move it forward more quickly and directly (without resorting to complete hoofball of course). But realistically, improvement needs to be built around being tight and compact out of possession, restricting space to opponents at the back, and being quicker and more direct in attack, looking for opportunities to get the ball in the box early, getting it to Ferguson and generating crosses and set pieces. Because, realistically, that will continue to be our best route to goal.

That will hit the possession stats of course, but it's long past time to say f**k the possession stats. If we're compact and sensible with our defensive setup and stop throwing so many players forward when we're in possession, we can deal with losing it more often as a result of not being afraid to try an earlier ball into the opposition box.


Posted By: Linzark
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:06pm
Bazunu

Ebosele
Omobamidele
Collins
Manning

Knight
Cullen
McGrath

Ogbene
Ferguson
Johnston


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Posted By: Linzark
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:21pm
This is what I hope our rough squad will look like for the Nations League next September

Gavin Bazunu
Caoimhin Kelleher
Mark Travers

Festy Ebosele
Matt Doherty
Andrew Omobamidele
Nathan Collins
Dara O'Shea
Liam Scales
Jake O'Brien
Ryan Manning

Josh Cullen
Jason Knight
Joe Hodge
Jack Taylor
Jamie McGrath
Andrew Moran
Will Smallbone
Finn Azaz
Kasey McAteer

Sammie Szmodics
Evan Ferguson
Mikey Johnston
Chiedozie Ogbene
Michael Obafemi


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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by Linzark Linzark wrote:

Bazunu

Ebosele
Omobamidele
Collins
Manning

Knight
Cullen
McGrath

Ogbene
Ferguson
Johnston


The midfield 3 is the real killer.   I am hopeful Merann may be the player to plug that hole.   Sick of these sideways and backward pass merchants.


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Posted By: Linzark
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Linzark Linzark wrote:

Bazunu

Ebosele
Omobamidele
Collins
Manning

Knight
Cullen
McGrath

Ogbene
Ferguson
Johnston


The midfield 3 is the real killer.   I am hopeful Merann may be the player to plug that hole.   Sick of these sideways and backward pass merchants.

Agree. I noticed on Saturday they rarely showed for the ball - bit of a killer if you want to play possession football


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Posted By: Badgersboys9
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:33pm
Don't think Hodge, McAteer or Taylor have done anything just yet to merit their inclusion. If McAteer continues with the form he was in before the injury it will be different. Same with O'Brien if he kicks on with Lyon. I'd have McGuinness in before O'Brien at the this current time. Unfortunately, I don't think Hodge is going to progress like we hoped he would.


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:41pm
Thr new manager should go all.out to get Szmodics bqck involved even if he is a plastic. Would be a great addition for us.  This lad scores goals through the middle. 

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Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by Linzark Linzark wrote:

This is what I hope our rough squad will look like for the Nations League next September

Gavin Bazunu
Caoimhin Kelleher
Mark Travers

Festy Ebosele
Matt Doherty
Andrew Omobamidele
Nathan Collins
Dara O'Shea
Liam Scales
Jake O'Brien
Ryan Manning

Josh Cullen
Jason Knight
Joe Hodge
Jack Taylor
Jamie McGrath
Andrew Moran
Will Smallbone
Finn Azaz
Kasey McAteer

Sammie Szmodics
Evan Ferguson
Mikey Johnston
Chiedozie Ogbene
Michael Obafemi

No Parrott, Connolly, Idah, or Armstrong in there shows the depth of our options in attack.


Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 7:30pm
          Bazunu
    Collins Mcguinness O'Shea 
Doherty        Manning
               Cullen  Smallbone
                    Moran
            Ogbene  Ferguson

There's your World Cup winning team right there. 


Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 7:46pm
'd cull Young Doherty.  Been attrocious so he has.


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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 7:50pm
How is Moran in our best 11?

He's played less than 20 senior games.

Omobamidele has done very little too. Manning hasn't been great at all.
Smallbone hasn't set the world alright either.


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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

How is Moran in our best 11?

He's played less than 20 senior games.

Omobamidele has done very little too. Manning hasn't been great at all.
Smallbone hasn't set the world alright either.

The usual getting carried away on here 


Posted By: ShamtheRam
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 10:16am
A bleak state of affairs when Doherty is being included in a best eleven. The fella should be bombed from the squad as quickly as possible. An atrocious attitude.

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Posted By: Trap junior
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 12:31pm
                                     Bazunu/Kelleher

Ebosele           O'Shea         Collins            Egan              Manning
    
                              Merann         Cullen
                                     
                                      Szmodics

Ogbene                                               Ferguson


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Posted By: Luder
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 12:59pm
Why does everyone have keep raving on about Collins? He makes a mistake in almost every game, often leading to goals conceded. Yes he can pass and run with the ball, but that's not his core function. It's like keeping Duffy in the team because he can score the odd goal. It's not worth it.


Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

How is Moran in our best 11?

He's played less than 20 senior games.

Omobamidele has done very little too. Manning hasn't been great at all.
Smallbone hasn't set the world alright either.


For me Moran is in there because we need a midfielder like him. Someone that's gonna play forward passes and able to link up with Ferguson.

Can't have three workhorses in midfield and then wonder why Ferguson is underperforming when we've no one that can provide him with service. New manager


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 1:22pm
Wasn't that Smallbones role?

Not doubting Moran's potential, it's just that the expectations on his shoulders is probably unrealistic, just like when Smallbone wasn't in the team. 


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Posted By: TooOldForThis
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 1:28pm
Wonder did Doherty get the captaincy because of this public shows of affection for SK? Can't think of any other reason, not really captain material is he.


Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Wasn't that Smallbones role?

Not doubting Moran's potential, it's just that the expectations on his shoulders is probably unrealistic, just like when Smallbone wasn't in the team. 



Folk probably hoped that Smallbone would be that link between midfield and forwards but I don't rate him much as a no.10.

His best game in an Ireland shirt was playing as a box to box midfielder for the U21s. Looking at his assists for Szmodics and there's no one on our team that can pick out a pass like Moran did in their last game.

That's an issue we've seen with the young lads coming through with too much expectations being put on them. But it's one of those things lads will have to just get on with.

We've a young team and no older players worth talking about who'll put their hand up and lead by example. Ogbene is probably the only one I'd say whereas someone like Scotland have a handful of lads around the age of 28 who fit this mold.


Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Wonder did Doherty get the captaincy because of this public shows of affection for SK? Can't think of any other reason, not really captain material is he.


Only reason he got it is because he's the oldest player in the squad that was playing. Would be one of the last players I'd make captain.


Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Luder Luder wrote:

Why does everyone have keep raving on about Collins? He makes a mistake in almost every game, often leading to goals conceded. Yes he can pass and run with the ball, but that's not his core function. It's like keeping Duffy in the team because he can score the odd goal. It's not worth it.

He is performing well in the Premier League in the Brentford system the past month. One of their better performers. He has been a bit rash into some of his decision making but he still young. He is technically the best defender we have.


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 3:11pm
He'll also likely be our captain by the time he's 25.


Posted By: ShamtheRam
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by Luder Luder wrote:

Why does everyone have keep raving on about Collins? He makes a mistake in almost every game, often leading to goals conceded. Yes he can pass and run with the ball, but that's not his core function. It's like keeping Duffy in the team because he can score the odd goal. It's not worth it.
Collins for me was amongst our most consistent under performers in this campaign. Was beyond brutal at times. 


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Posted By: 50%lesssugar&salt
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by ShamtheRam ShamtheRam wrote:

Originally posted by Luder Luder wrote:

Why does everyone have keep raving on about Collins? He makes a mistake in almost every game, often leading to goals conceded. Yes he can pass and run with the ball, but that's not his core function. It's like keeping Duffy in the team because he can score the odd goal. It's not worth it.
Collins for me was amongst our most consistent under performers in this campaign. Was beyond brutal at times. 

Would agree. I think since the goal against Ukraine he has been given too much freedom and as others have said, would do better in a structured defence. There is a fine player there if he could cut out the errors.


Posted By: engpad
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2023 at 3:11pm
Bazunu 

O'Shea Collins Egan Cirkin 

Cullen Smallbone 

Ogbene McAteer Johnstone 

Ferguson 


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2023 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by engpad engpad wrote:

Bazunu 

O'Shea Collins Egan Cirkin 

Cullen Smallbone 

Ogbene McAteer Johnstone 

Ferguson 

Wacko


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2023 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by engpad engpad wrote:

Bazunu 

O'Shea Collins Egan Cirkin 

Cullen Smallbone 

Ogbene McAteer Johnstone 

Ferguson 

Replace McAteer with Moran, Smallbone with Browne maybe and Cirkin with O Shea and O Shea with Omabamidele. 
 

Wacko


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