Print Page | Close Window

Northern Ireland vs Finland - Player Comparisons

Printed From: You Boys in Green
Category: International
Forum Name: Republic Of Ireland
Forum Description: All ROI International Team forums
URL: https://forum.ybig.ie/forum_posts.asp?TID=58937
Printed Date: 26 Feb 2024 at 2:45pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.00 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: Northern Ireland vs Finland - Player Comparisons
Posted By: Tweetering
Subject: Northern Ireland vs Finland - Player Comparisons
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 7:39pm
Which of these players would get into the ROI squad or start?

12 Hazard
Plymouth Argyle - Championship - 11 apps this season

5 Toal
Bolton W - League 1 - 10 apps this season

4 Ballard
Sunderland - Championship - 15 apps this season

17 McNair
Middlesbrough - Championship - 3 apps this season

2 Hume
Sunderland - Championship - 16 apps this season

6 Saville
Millwall - Championship - 14 apps this season

15 Thompson
Stoke City - Championship - 9 apps this season

3 Lewis
Watford - Championship - 11 apps this season

8 McCausland
Rangers - SPL - 5 apps this season

14 Price
Standard Liege - Belgian Pro League - 13 apps this season

10 Charles
Bolton - League One - 15 appearances (9 Goals)

Substitutes
1 McMullan - Fleetwood
7 McMenamin - St. Mirren
9 Washington - Derby
11 Jones - Wigan Athletic
13 Taylor - Wycombe Wanderers on loan from Notts Forest
16 Marshall - West Ham UTD
18 Forbes - West Ham UTD
19 Devlin - Portsmouth
20 Spencer - Motherwell
21 Magennis - Wigan
22 Brown - Oxford UTD
23 Southwood - Cheltenham Town



Replies:
Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 7:46pm
None of them would make the team. McNair would make the squad. Ballard also possibly. Marshall is one I would have liked to get on board for the long term.


Posted By: Tweetering
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 7:54pm
Jamal Lewis is decent too. 


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:03pm
Our under 21s are stronger than their senior team on paper. 

Armstrong and Emakhu up top is championship standard, their team is generally league 1 level. 


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:12pm
If they played us we’d still make hard work of beating  them I’m sure 


Posted By: Tweetering
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:15pm
Shea Charles was suspended, but he would probably get in the ROI squad also


Posted By: PaddyMaddenIsCounty!
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

None of them would make the team. McNair would make the squad. Ballard also possibly. Marshall is one I would have liked to get on board for the long term.
he can’t get ahead of Lenihan at Middlesbrough so doubt he make squad


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:23pm
Why is this in the Ireland thread? 

Hopefully the mods remove it to ROW. 


-------------
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.


Posted By: Tweetering
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:25pm
No, it does belong here, we are comparing our near neighbours squad.

This is relevant, since we can draw from the same player pool.

For example, some of the subs can still switch allegiance to ROI.

EG. Young Forbes who was WHU U18 Captain


Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:30pm
Originally posted by Tweetering Tweetering wrote:

No, it does belong here, we are comparing our near neighbours squad.

This is relevant, since we can draw from the same player pool.

For example, some of the subs can still switch allegiance to ROI.

EG. Young Forbes who was WHU U18 Captain
Wheres the Suomi squad ?

-------------
" BFC always gives me a laugh........ "


Posted By: Tweetering
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:36pm
All players born in the North of Ireland, qualify for the Republic also.

Therefore, we should be keeping tabs on their team. 


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by Tweetering Tweetering wrote:

All players born in the North of Ireland, qualify for the Republic also.

Therefore, we should be keeping tabs on their team. 

Really? That's good to know. LOLWink

Your thread title is misleading so you'll need to word it better seeing as Finland have nothing to do with it. 
 




-------------
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.


Posted By: Tweetering
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:51pm
This is the NI team that faced Finland this evening.

We are comparing this team to the ROI team.

It's not difficult to understand. 


Posted By: Given's zimmerframe
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:59pm
the troubles have started



Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 8:59pm
Originally posted by Tweetering Tweetering wrote:

This is the NI team that faced Finland this evening.

We are comparing this team to the ROI team.

It's not difficult to understand. 


Yes and your thread title gives the impression that you're comparing them with the Finland team rather than our national side
 


-------------
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.


Posted By: Greener92
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Given's zimmerframe Given's zimmerframe wrote:

the troubles have started

LOLLOL


Posted By: thebronze14
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 9:52pm
some people would be talking about half that team like that are the second coming of Christ because they made a few appearances in the championship


Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 9:47am
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Tweetering Tweetering wrote:

All players born in the North of Ireland, qualify for the Republic also.

Therefore, we should be keeping tabs on their team. 

Really? That's good to know. LOLWink

Your thread title is misleading so you'll need to word it better seeing as Finland have nothing to do with it. 
 



An unspoken benefit of the GFA.


-------------
Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."


Posted By: Newryrep
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:17am
Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Tweetering Tweetering wrote:

All players born in the North of Ireland, qualify for the Republic also.

Therefore, we should be keeping tabs on their team. 

Really? That's good to know. LOLWink

Your thread title is misleading so you'll need to word it better seeing as Finland have nothing to do with it. 
 



An unspoken benefit of the GFA.

Surely not 


-------------
'Irish' Songs for an Irish team - no SPL EPL generic sh*te
Richard Dunne - 6th Sept 11 - best marshalling of a defence in Moscow since General Zukov Russia V Germany 1941


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

None of them would make the team. McNair would make the squad. Ballard also possibly. Marshall is one I would have liked to get on board for the long term.

Maybe Lewis. Hume/Bradley would be useful players to have in the squad and would potentially take over from Doherty/Coleman in the next 12-18 months.


-------------
We're decent enough..


Posted By: Jimmy Raggatip
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 3:19pm
The kid at Rangers might turn out decent, I think McNair would probably start for us somewhere too, as would the current iteration of Jonny Evans. Ballard might make the bench


Posted By: John Nice
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 8:43pm
Conor Bradley, Callum Marshall, that's it.

-------------
Idah Dream!


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:26pm
I believe that Conor Bradley will prove to be a real missed option in time. 

From what I've seen of him, he's possibly already better than any of our (now-aging) RB options. 

He has the potential to soon be a PL regular for many years, if not a Champions League regular.  

NI made sure to give him his 3 competitive caps while he was still playing academy football.  

I don't know what effort if any was made with him by the FAI scouts, but it didn't seem to be a huge amount. 


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

I believe that Conor Bradley will prove to be a real missed option in time. 

From what I've seen of him, he's possibly already better than any of our (now-aging) RB options. 

He has the potential to soon be a PL regular for many years, if not a Champions League regular.  

NI made sure to give him his 3 competitive caps while he was still playing academy football.  

I don't know what effort if any was made with him by the FAI scouts, but it didn't seem to be a huge amount. 

Any little **** that is happy to sing god save the king for that shower of ****s is not a missed opportunity.


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:38pm
Calm down.  

I don't think he (or Neil Lennon or Michael O'Neill or Martin O'Neill etc. etc) are singing anything.  

It's a mixed community up there - becoming more mixed by the year.

GSTQ is just one of a long list of anachronisms that will change over time.  

It's well-established that the current generation really isn't as put out by that historical angle as the ones before.  

Indeed, I think if we had a United Ireland tomorrow, there would be more Eastern Europeans in it than Unionists... so that's where it's at now. 


Posted By: King_Kenny
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Calm down.  

I don't think he (or Neil Lennon or Michael O'Neill or Martin O'Neill etc. etc) are singing anything.  

It's a mixed community up there - becoming more mixed by the year.

GSTQ is just one of a long list of anachronisms that will change over time.  

It's well-established that the current generation really isn't as put out by that historical angle as the ones before.  

Indeed, I think if we had a United Ireland tomorrow, there would be more Eastern Europeans in it than Unionists... so that's where it's at now. 
He has a fair point. His ma and da were  lapping it up at Windsor. 
He’s from Tyrone. Enough said.


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Calm down.  

I don't think he (or Neil Lennon or Michael O'Neill or Martin O'Neill etc. etc) are singing anything.  

It's a mixed community up there - becoming more mixed by the year.

GSTQ is just one of a long list of anachronisms that will change over time.  

It's well-established that the current generation really isn't as put out by that historical angle as the ones before.  

Indeed, I think if we had a United Ireland tomorrow, there would be more Eastern Europeans in it than Unionists... so that's where it's at now. 

Martin O’Neill f**king loves it. 

He’ll get an MBE one of these days.

Michael o Neill barely worth commenting on big red alcoholic head on him.


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:45pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Calm down.  

I don't think he (or Neil Lennon or Michael O'Neill or Martin O'Neill etc. etc) are singing anything.  

It's a mixed community up there - becoming more mixed by the year.

GSTQ is just one of a long list of anachronisms that will change over time.  

It's well-established that the current generation really isn't as put out by that historical angle as the ones before.  

Indeed, I think if we had a United Ireland tomorrow, there would be more Eastern Europeans in it than Unionists... so that's where it's at now. 

Martin O’Neill f**king loves it. 

He’ll get an MBE one of these days.

Michael o Neill barely worth commenting on big red alcoholic head on him.

LOL


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:48pm
I imagine you don't spend much time in the North lads.  

Thankfully, for the most part, you're living in the past.  

But don't let me keep you from your bar-stools!


Posted By: TooOldForThis
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Calm down.  

I don't think he (or Neil Lennon or Michael O'Neill or Martin O'Neill etc. etc) are singing anything.  

It's a mixed community up there - becoming more mixed by the year.

GSTQ is just one of a long list of anachronisms that will change over time.  

It's well-established that the current generation really isn't as put out by that historical angle as the ones before.  

Indeed, I think if we had a United Ireland tomorrow, there would be more Eastern Europeans in it than Unionists... so that's where it's at now. 

Martin O’Neill f**king loves it. 

He’ll get an MBE one of these days.

Michael o Neill barely worth commenting on big red alcoholic head on him.
LOL
The O'Neills the epitome of Uncle Tomery!


Posted By: Maccatacca
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

I imagine you don't spend much time in the North lads.  

Thankfully, for the most part, you're living in the past.  

But don't let me keep you from your bar-stools!
 

Martin O’Neill refers to us as ‘They’, ‘Them’ or even worse, ‘The Republic’…

Michael O’Neill would sing whatever song he needs to in order to secure his pay cheque to pay for his next drink. The big red whiskey nose on him is getting bigger with every game them ****s lose. 


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 1:21am
Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

I imagine you don't spend much time in the North lads.  

Thankfully, for the most part, you're living in the past.  

But don't let me keep you from your bar-stools!
 

Martin O’Neill refers to us as ‘They’, ‘Them’ or even worse, ‘The Republic’…

Michael O’Neill would sing whatever song he needs to in order to secure his pay cheque to pay for his next drink. The big red whiskey nose on him is getting bigger with every game them ****s lose. 

Ah here, leave it out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfrNQvN5fU " rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfrNQvN5fU  ;


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 1:35am
Anyway, back to topic.

Bradley definitely a good player, and a loss to us as I said above. 

Jamal Lewis would have a lot of caps for us by now, given his PL seasons and our difficulties at LB. 

Other than that, Hume and Ballard, especially, could end up with good careers, as with Shea Charles (another one capped three times competitively at senior level while still playing academy football). 

Isaac Price is young and doing well.  So they've a fair few who could turn a corner for them. 

I'd like to see more effort going into getting young six-county eligible players involved, a la Sean Moore. 


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 8:27am
Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 


Posted By: John Nice
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 10:43am
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 

Callum Marshall looks very good for West Ham's PL2 team - 13 goals in 8 starts, lads are raving (rightly) about O'Mahony's 8 in 8 for Brighton.


-------------
Idah Dream!


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 2:35pm
Well done to O'Mahony scoring a few in PL2 recently, and Marshall too. But if the last five years tells us anything about underage football it's that banging them in in PL2 is largely meaningless. Until they're doing it in senior football it doesn't mean a lot at all.


Posted By: Jimmy Raggatip
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 9:31pm
they would all start for us on the basis of tonight LOL


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 

For a so-called poor team and maligned manager, they're currently beating Denmark 2-0.... a better result than any achieved by Kenny in five campaigns as a manager. Shocked

As I was saying above, they have some good young players coming through, some of whom we've possibly dropped the ball in missing out on. 


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 

For a so-called poor team and maligned manager, they're currently beating Denmark 2-0.... a better result than any achieved by Kenny in five campaigns as a manager. Shocked

As I was saying above, they have some good young players coming through, some of whom we've possibly dropped the ball in missing out on. 

They finished 5th in the perhaps the kindest Euro qualifying group ever. Shea Charles is the only young player they have that we might have got (Bradley committed to them early and never looked back, Hume was belting out GSTK tonight), and he can't get ahead of Smallbone at Southampton who many on here have written off.


-------------
We're decent enough..


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 

For a so-called poor team and maligned manager, they're currently beating Denmark 2-0.... a better result than any achieved by Kenny in five campaigns as a manager. Shocked

As I was saying above, they have some good young players coming through, some of whom we've possibly dropped the ball in missing out on. 

Best of luck to them, but that's on Kenny and is no reflection of the quality of players in the respective starting teams.

I believe that leaves us as the only (not last placed) team in the entire competition to fail to take even a single point from anyone other than the bottom ranked team in our group. The north were the only others before tonight. Says it all really.


Posted By: King_Kenny
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 9:50pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 

For a so-called poor team and maligned manager, they're currently beating Denmark 2-0.... a better result than any achieved by Kenny in five campaigns as a manager. Shocked

As I was saying above, they have some good young players coming through, some of whom we've possibly dropped the ball in missing out on. 

They finished 5th in the perhaps the kindest Euro qualifying group ever. Shea Charles is the only young player they have that we might have got (Bradley committed to them early and never looked back, Hume was belting out GSTK tonight), and he can't get ahead of Smallbone at Southampton who many on here have written off.
Hume plays for Sunderland. 


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Other than in defence and defensive midfield they have nothing at all coming through. We have about a dozen forwards playing in the top two divisions in England (as well as the Eredivisie), they don't seem to have any. Either of our under 21 strikers would likely start for their senior team. Their only Premier League players are a 35 year old and a lad that retired from international duty about four years ago. They look to have some very bleak times ahead of them, even by their own standards. 

For a so-called poor team and maligned manager, they're currently beating Denmark 2-0.... a better result than any achieved by Kenny in five campaigns as a manager. Shocked

As I was saying above, they have some good young players coming through, some of whom we've possibly dropped the ball in missing out on. 

They finished 5th in the perhaps the kindest Euro qualifying group ever. Shea Charles is the only young player they have that we might have got (Bradley committed to them early and never looked back, Hume was belting out GSTK tonight), and he can't get ahead of Smallbone at Southampton who many on here have written off.
Hume plays for Sunderland. 

Yes? And Shea Charles plays for Southampton. Read before you reply.


-------------
We're decent enough..


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:03pm
Football isn’t played on paper

Passion, being well set up and hard to score against comes into it 
We have none of that. Which is why we can only beat minnows 


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Football isn’t played on paper

Passion, being well set up and hard to score against comes into it 
We have none of that. Which is why we can only beat minnows 

Exacty. They rode their luck in the first half but MON can still pull off a result. 

Hope the FAI don't fook about in getting shot of Kenny after the NZ match. 


-------------
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Football isn’t played on paper

Passion, being well set up and hard to score against comes into it 
We have none of that. Which is why we can only beat minnows 

Exacty. They rode their luck in the first half but MON can still pull off a result. 

Hope the FAI don't fook about in getting shot of Kenny after the NZ match. 

NI beating an already qualified, under strength Denmark is "getting a result". I seem to remember whenever we did well in games where we were out of the qualification race, it was written off as being meaningless. NI rode their luck big time tonight - they had two shots on target and both resulted in goals. Ultimately, they still finished 5th in a group where the 2nd seed was weaker than our 4th seed. Michael O'Neill had a very productive first spell with NI, but he tanked at Stoke and now he's tanking in his 2nd bout with NI.


-------------
We're decent enough..


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:24pm
This will cause an existential crisis for some in this parish, tonight. Thinking ahead to Euro 2028, coming fifth out of five hosts could potentially (depending on how host qualifiers work) see us miss out entirely, even with the possibility of a final backstop of some sort of play-off between host nations.


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Football isn’t played on paper

Passion, being well set up and hard to score against comes into it 
We have none of that. Which is why we can only beat minnows 

Exacty. They rode their luck in the first half but MON can still pull off a result. 

Hope the FAI don't fook about in getting shot of Kenny after the NZ match. 

NI beating an already qualified, under strength Denmark is "getting a result". I seem to remember whenever we did well in games where we were out of the qualification race, it was written off as being meaningless. NI rode their luck big time tonight - they had two shots on target and both resulted in goals. Ultimately, they still finished 5th in a group where the 2nd seed was weaker than our 4th seed. Michael O'Neill had a very productive first spell with NI, but he tanked at Stoke and now he's tanking in his 2nd bout with NI.

You beat who is in front of you. 6 losses from 8 games is an unacceptably poor return, even factoring in our group. The biggest aggregate margin of defeat was 4-1 against Greece. Beyond the narratives about greater building blocks for future campaigns, and the introduction of new players, we have had a worse campaign than the North.


Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

This will cause an existential crisis for some in this parish, tonight. Thinking ahead to Euro 2028, coming fifth out of five hosts could potentially (depending on how host qualifiers work) see us miss out entirely, even with the possibility of a final backstop of some sort of play-off between host nations.


Gonna be some craic if we don't qualify for Euro '28 and NI are the ones playing all their group games in Dublin.


Posted By: Jimmy Raggatip
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:36pm
not in full crisis mode but certainly could do without them remembering how to get jammy wins against tier one and two nations like they used to


Posted By: Tweetering
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:37pm
It might actually be a cool way for people in the South to connect with our Orange brethern. We could take the high road, and support NI, build bridges. 


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Football isn’t played on paper

Passion, being well set up and hard to score against comes into it 
We have none of that. Which is why we can only beat minnows 

Exacty. They rode their luck in the first half but MON can still pull off a result. 

Hope the FAI don't fook about in getting shot of Kenny after the NZ match. 

NI beating an already qualified, under strength Denmark is "getting a result". I seem to remember whenever we did well in games where we were out of the qualification race, it was written off as being meaningless. NI rode their luck big time tonight - they had two shots on target and both resulted in goals. Ultimately, they still finished 5th in a group where the 2nd seed was weaker than our 4th seed. Michael O'Neill had a very productive first spell with NI, but he tanked at Stoke and now he's tanking in his 2nd bout with NI.

Probably because we beat teams like Luxembourg and Azerbaijan. 

MON has got a better scalp (albeit against an already qualified side) than anything Kenny has ever done. 


 




-------------
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

This will cause an existential crisis for some in this parish, tonight. Thinking ahead to Euro 2028, coming fifth out of five hosts could potentially (depending on how host qualifiers work) see us miss out entirely, even with the possibility of a final backstop of some sort of play-off between host nations.


Gonna be some craic if we don't qualify for Euro '28 and NI are the ones playing all their group games in Dublin.

Well considering the NI fans have been singing you can shove Casement Park up yer hole that may not be as far fetched as it sounds 


-------------
Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:54pm
It’s not about getting a result in a dead rubber or Denmark resting main players 

The thread was set up to belittle the north’s squad, which on paper is pretty sh*t. As I said last week on the thread we’d struggle to beat them when people were naming how few of theirs would make our squad 

We’re a farce and have no place to be mocking any other teams to be honest 


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:55pm
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Football isn’t played on paper

Passion, being well set up and hard to score against comes into it 
We have none of that. Which is why we can only beat minnows 

Exacty. They rode their luck in the first half but MON can still pull off a result. 

Hope the FAI don't fook about in getting shot of Kenny after the NZ match. 

NI beating an already qualified, under strength Denmark is "getting a result". I seem to remember whenever we did well in games where we were out of the qualification race, it was written off as being meaningless. NI rode their luck big time tonight - they had two shots on target and both resulted in goals. Ultimately, they still finished 5th in a group where the 2nd seed was weaker than our 4th seed. Michael O'Neill had a very productive first spell with NI, but he tanked at Stoke and now he's tanking in his 2nd bout with NI.

Probably because we beat teams like Luxembourg and Azerbaijan. 

MON has got a better scalp (albeit against an already qualified side) than anything Kenny has ever done. 


 



And those wins were pivotal in retaining support for Kenny. In fact, it probably washed away the massive blot of one point and one goal from the two home games against those teams.


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:57pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

It’s not about getting a result in a dead rubber or Denmark resting main players 

The thread was set up to belittle the north’s squad, which on paper is pretty sh*t. As I said last week on the thread we’d struggle to beat them when people were naming how few of theirs would make our squad 

We’re a farce and have no place to be mocking any other teams to be honest 

And you’re not wrong. We’re becoming more and more like that spoofer who is forever developing the next big app, which never sees the light of day. We’re forced to project into the future to get any joy from the present.


Posted By: Badgersboys9
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:01pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

It’s not about getting a result in a dead rubber or Denmark resting main players 

The thread was set up to belittle the north’s squad, which on paper is pretty sh*t. As I said last week on the thread we’d struggle to beat them when people were naming how few of theirs would make our squad 

We’re a farce and have no place to be mocking any other teams to be honest 
100%. Lads on here mocking Scotland a few weeks back.


Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:02pm
I see people on here are praising an LOI manager. I thought they couldn't cut it at international level 

-------------
"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"


Posted By: Badgersboys9
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

I see people on here are praising an LOI manager. I thought they couldn't cut it at international level 
I'd say its more a comparison to Kenny than praise.


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

I see people on here are praising an LOI manager. I thought they couldn't cut it at international level 

Michael O’Neill has something of a pedigree at international level. It just isn’t working out the same way this time.


Posted By: Shermanator1
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

I see people on here are praising an LOI manager. I thought they couldn't cut it at international level 

Michael O’Neill has something of a pedigree at international level. It just isn’t working out the same way this time.

Michael O'Neill did a phenomenal job the first time around with a very limited squad by taking a pragmatic and disciplined approach in maximizing his team's strengths.  I would not bet against him having similar success in the future.


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:31pm
Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

I see people on here are praising an LOI manager. I thought they couldn't cut it at international level 

Michael O’Neill has something of a pedigree at international level. It just isn’t working out the same way this time.

Michael O'Neill did a phenomenal job the first time around with a very limited squad by taking a pragmatic and disciplined approach in maximizing his team's strengths.  I would not bet against him having similar success in the future.

It’s why I think he’d be a good fit in the immediate term for us.


Posted By: TooOldForThis
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:37pm
They have been utterly abysmal, a flukey win against an already qualified, second string side is meaningless. Except to say that even their dismal showing surpasses our own.


Posted By: Shermanator1
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

I see people on here are praising an LOI manager. I thought they couldn't cut it at international level 

Michael O’Neill has something of a pedigree at international level. It just isn’t working out the same way this time.

Michael O'Neill did a phenomenal job the first time around with a very limited squad by taking a pragmatic and disciplined approach in maximizing his team's strengths.  I would not bet against him having similar success in the future.

It’s why I think he’d be a good fit in the immediate term for us.

I agree. I called for him to be brought in to replace the floundering Kenny long before the North brought him back for a second go round.  He has a proven track record of success by bringing the North to the final 16 in Euro 2016, as well as coming within a highly questionable penalty call against the Swiss of qualifying for the World Cup in 2018. 


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 11:48pm
Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

They have been utterly abysmal, a flukey win against an already qualified, second string side is meaningless. Except to say that even their dismal showing surpasses our own.

I’d say the VAR decision that ruled out Marshall’s goal in Copenhagen was the tightest VAR decision I have seen. They’ve been dreadful this campaign, and this result doesn’t change that, but there is no point in looking at this through the prism of their 4-0 defeat to Finland.


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 12:23am
Bottom line is our still and hopefully soon to be redundant manager is not as good as the North's manager.

I thought they'd do better in this campaign but a good few mistakes done them more rather than MON being tactically clueless. 


-------------
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.


Posted By: Usa94
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 1:04am
Most important position of manager would be a win for O’Neill over us, never mind player comparisons.
We have finished 5th out of 5 host nations for euro 28 now and end of this campaign. Not sure if will have any bearing on the 3 automatic host qualification spots. 


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 8:43am
No matter what way you look at it, NI still won against a very good Denmark said, that win will instill some hope, belief and confidence in the team going forward.

We are absolutely rock bottom and no position to be mocking our neighbours. 


-------------
It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to


Posted By: 50%lesssugar&salt
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 8:46am
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

No matter what way you look at it, NI still won against a very good Denmark said, that win will instill some hope, belief and confidence in the team going forward.

We are absolutely rock bottom and no position to be mocking our neighbours. 

Exactly


Posted By: TooOldForThis
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 8:54am
MON will get the boot after the next qualifying campaign, or possibly during it. Every dog has its day, and NI have had theirs. We have better players than they have, with worse results, we know why.



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd. - https://www.webwiz.net