Cant see an existing thread for him.

Has been clocking up minutes with the senior team in preseason and scored his first goal for them this afternoon against Paderborn having only come seconds earlier as a second half sub.

Hes been involved with the senior team for the guts of 2 years now, being named on the bench a number of times in the both the Bundesliga and Europa League as well as training with them regularly.

Having had a bit of a stop/start season last year due to injuries and the suspension of underage / reserve team football in Germany due to the pandemic, I reckon this will be the season he'll get his chance.

Now of course of Conor starts getting gametime in the 1st team in Germany, he'll have to be looked at a lot more closelty but I doubt he'll make that breakthru just yet.

Seems to be having a good pre season. My own thinking was he would be sold to a Bundesliga 2nd division side this summer and his contract close to up. He could kick on them and find his level.

The sporting director said however that he sees him as one to breakthrough so hopefully he is right and I’m wrong. 

Strikes me more of an attacking midfielder probably playing as a number 8. Will be interesting to see how he gets on this season. Has looked decent when I've seen him, but yet to see anything that we don't already have. 

Yeah I'd agree with you there. More of an Alan Browne type that can play the 10 but more suited to the 8.

I reckon he'll get a run out in the Pokal cup games anyway. Its a pity they missed out on Europe last season, a point more would have seen them qualify for the Conference League where he'd have been very likely to feature.

That would be "Noßßer" 

Pretty sure he was quoted as saying he was happy with Ireland 'for now', a while back.

Wouldnt be suprised to see him switch.

I read this interview...no word on Germany but he mentions it's a big decision, which it is.

No indication he has any plans to try out for Germany and he has to answer these questions and gave a good answer, I think.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/7355808/ireland-underage-midfielder-conor-noss-borussia-monchengladbach/" rel="nofollow - https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/7355808/ireland-underage-midfielder-conor-noss-borussia-monchengladbach/

Look, if he starts getting gametime this season in the Bundesliga and is looking promising (or if he tears it up in our U21 campaign - no indications yet that could happen), then he should be called into our seniors to get acclimatised etc. and we go from there.

Irish underage star Conor Noss weighing up international future as he hopes for a big year with Borussia Monchengladbach

I, for one, am positively shocked by this development!

That looked grim reading tbh basically if I’m good enough I’m playing for Germany. Beauty is of course even if he is playing close to regularly for Gladbach in the next 2/3 years he’d still be a bit off the standard required for Germany.

It is what it is no point worrying about it. 

However if he plays for the u21s when he is 21 does that mean he can't make an international change for 3 years? 

So I guess he needs to identify what side of the fence he wants to make his international career on soon... right? 

Hmm...so the rule uses the term "A" International.

Is that senior only?
Or does ANY official International match count once you are past your 21st birthday (only U21 would really apply then as you obviously cannot be 21 playing in an U19 comp)?

I always read it as senior international matches only...happy to be corrected.

Mother. 

Isn't A international in reference to the competition he plays in? So a WC qualifier at u21 when you're over 21? Rather than a friendly game? 

It might be senior games though.. I dont know.

But if he does get some first team club football this year in the German Bundesliga then he'll be playing at a higher level than all our other midfielders so theoretically would warrant a senior call up...

Any reading of it suggests it's senior caps only but it's not 100% clear.
We will know his position soon enough as, as you said, he turns 21 in a few months and every chance SK will have him in a squad if he looks at all promising.

I didn't think Noss was a flight risk but as stated above, is German-born and raised so he'd be excused if the German FA came calling.  We have to accept that.

Thing is, I don't think SK will be waiting around in these cases and will be calling lads like this up at the first sign they are ready for senior football. 

Lads, will you calm the f**k down.

He was asked about it and he answered honestly.

Its a gutter journalist trying to grab a few headlines for a rag with a soundbite.

He has already turned down interest from the German FA to represent them at underage level, quoted as saying:

He speaks nothing but fondly of Ireland representing and playing for us.

Can we not respect the young man and give him the benefit of the doubt?

Lashing out on social media posts and message forums will hardly help maters if a young players, his family and/or friends come across it.

Lets just wait and see. Hes not doing an Odubeko or Grealish just yet by refusing underage call ups or "needing time to think about".

At the end of the day, he is German born and bred, a dual eligible player who probably does see himself as both German and Irish having been born to a German father and Irish mother.

Hes not some blow in granny ruler like Grealish or Rice with very lose ties to Ireland.

If Germany do come knocking it will be a difficult decision for him.

But the reality of it is, it will take something very special for him to become a regular for them. They've had hundreds of players in recent years who have won a handful of caps in meaningless friendies and never seen again. Then even established players like Kroos, Lahm, Muller, Hummels are finished or considered over the hill by the time they hit 30.

Yeah, I am not worried here.
Has always shown pride in the jersey (I know we've seen that before) and talks well about his Irish experiences. And has an Irish mammy!
As I said at the start, he gave a good answer so let's hope he pushes on this season and does step up to senior level with us.

In other news I had a YT stream of the match there and it died a few mins ago 
Anyone got a working link?

How can you start your sentence "Lets not get carried away" ...then go onto to say he was either misquoted or made up by the journalist 

Like the f**king Sun and Andrew Ryan are anymore reliable with their quotes.

John Fallon articles about eligible players need a disclaimer at this point. He's been proven wrong and written things that aren't true about Jack Grealish, Declan Rice and Mipo Odubeko, among several others, countless times to the point where he carries little credibility on the issue. Unless there is proof those words came out of Noss's mouth, I'm skeptical he ever said anything like that. Especially since subsequent articles from more reliable sources prove contradictory.

Irish mammy, definitely staying with us or it’s the wooden spoon for him  

The Kristopher Quesada lad at Arsenal has an Irish mammy and it's recently came out that his father said they are using the FAI with the aim of playing for another country long-term!

Left foot wrote: Who's not calm? Discussion of a football player on a football forum is essentially appropriate. No?

Well played Bandwagon.... well played. 

I'm not sure I can explain away this without digging myself into a bigger hole.

And 99 times out of 100 if they're not good enough for Germany, Spain, England, etc then there's a very good chance they won't be a game changer for us either. Lose-lose for us more often than not. 

The Irish mammy would want to dump that lad so 

Hes playing really well here. Almost scored with an identical goal to his last one vs Metz. His runs and movement off the ball is absolutely fantastic.

You're being a tad disingenuous. Rice and Grealish were ultimately good enough to play for England. Ronan and Crowley flip-flopped back and forth depending on whether they were wanted by England or not; ultimately, they weren't good enough for England. Tom Field, currently playing for the mighty Cavalry FC in Canada, declined call ups because he had an eye on playing for England when he was still at Brentford. Liam Kelly similarly declined a call up for us when he was getting game time in the Championship. Now that his club career has progressed like a fart in an elevator, he is more open-minded about representing us. Armstrong Okoflex started playing for us through gritted teeth when it became apparent the rules would not allow him to deflect to England. Mipo Odubeko has continuously declined call ups and has refused to even personally communicate his intentions with Jim Crawford. Patrick Bamford last played for us at any level over a decade ago but has held out for England honours ever since.

I'm bad at Maths but I think that's more than 2. And that's off the top of my head.

The fact that there hasn't been more defections probably has more to do with lads like Simon Cox, Cyrus Christie, Callum O'Dowda and Richard Keogh being middling Championship standard players than it does any loyalty to the land of their forefathers.

Indeed Cyrus Christie, to his credit, came out and said that he was settling for us because he was realistic about his lack of England prospects.

You could say the same about the hoard of players in the late 80s/early 90s. It is what it is and it really isn’t that deep. Kilbane of course stands out in that his household was Irish and that was it. He’s an exception mind. Rice of course was unique in that he played 3 friendlies and in fairness really shouldn’t have done so/switched once he’d played 3 games at senior level for us. 

Our issue has been we have been using this granny rule as a crutch not a supplement to producing decent homegrown talent here. Big encouragement is the amount of homegrown young players (under 21) we have in PL/Championship squads playing at least semi regularly. (Idah,Kelleher,O’Shea,Knight,Connolly,Omobamidele) etc. 

Was hoping he’d be on the bench and that he’d make his competitive debut tonight off it. Hopefully Gladbach are as expected winning this game with 25-30 minutes to go he will be more then likely to get a proper runout that way. 

Haven't really seen anything to really get excited about Noss. He's decent, but no major upgrade on anything we already have. 

I think a lot of his buzz is optics surrounding him playing for a biggish German side.

Dont agree, he looks a very good technical creative player to me, perhaps he still needs to develop a bit more physically, but he looks like a very good footballer of a type Ireland has trouble producing. He looks a proper 10 in the making.

If only Andy Reid and Hoolahan weren't the same age.

Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote: Also wanted by FC Zurich, who are 1st in the Swiss Super League, but Schalke have an agreement with BM.

18 month loan to Schalke is pretty much done from what I've read. Makes the most sense with Gelsenkirchen being less than an hour away from Monchengladbach. He wont have to uproot and they can keep a very close eye on him.

You Tell Me wrote: Seems like a sensible move for him. I don't know much about the German second tier, would it maybe be somewhere between the English Championship and League 1 in terms of standard? Schalke would be one of the bigger teams in the division obviously.

The quality varies widely because its a small league and the teams are forever changing. 3 teams can get promoted and 3 teams can get relegated in a single season, meaning the following season could have 6 different teams in an 18 team league.

So you do have to be a regular follower of the league to get a good gauge of the quality year on year.

At present there are some traditionally big clubs there like Schalke, Werder Breman and Hamburg. It wasn't that long ago they were winning leagues/cups or finishing 2nd/3rd/4th and competing in Europe.

Yet they're all sitting mid table at present, mind theres only few points between places a win or two could see them back at the top end.

Its a competitive league on paper but without watching enough games its hard to say judge the over all quality. If I was to guess I'd say its probably is somewhere between Championship and League One. Probably like the Championship with less teams that sit mid table without ever gaining promotion and that avoid relegation every year.

Also describes him as "Irish-born" so not sure how reliable it is

kevincronin2000 wrote: Massive win for Gladbach against Bayern tonight however Conor remained fully rooted to the bench.

Was talk of him going to Schalke on loan this month a few weeks back but gone very quiet now.

Maybe he didn't want to be picked? I remember him or Garcia-MacNulty, or maybe both, saying their intl future wasn't set in stone, implying that their birth countries would be their first choice all things being equal.

Now maybe he didn't want to be picked and if that's the case (it's pure speculation and mud-slinging, and some sticks regardless of the truth) then good luck to him.

Before the weekend he played ONE minute of football. ONE. As an injury time sub that didnt touch the ball.

..and because hes with the senior team week in/out he doesnt get to even play reserve team games or games of any description.

Im not sure how he could warrant a call up.

Call him up! He can do it again in June!

Seriously though, good to see him get a start & a goal. Should be involved with the U21s in a few weeks.

EDIT:

Full game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72keoAq7M3k" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72keoAq7M3k

He played well, didn't look out of place at all. Got the first 45'.

Technical, strong, mobile, energetic.

BM play the same 3421 formation we do and he slots right into that AM position (think Knight/Browne/McGrath) in the front 3.

His goal (25min 54sec in the above video) was well taken, intercepted a stray pass on the edge of the opposition box, shrugged off the challenge of a defender and slammed the ball in the top corner from 12 yards.

 

Almost had an assist too (42mins 50sec), picks up the ball on the halfway line and drives forward past the defender slips a pass through two more for the striker to finish, but the striker was offside.

He's clearly very capable, it'll be criminal if Crawford leaves him out again.

I'm curious to see if the likes of Noss and Festy are in this next squad.

Crawford produces dull football and would rather players who put a shift in in the lower leagues/LoI.

Springett and Kayode play in different positions. Kayode also just got promoted to the Championship with Rotherham, so I'd hardly be hammering the lad that he didn't play every week.

In which case, do we drop Will Ferry from the squad to fit in Tony Springett?

I mean there's not much between them. Ferry's owned by a PL team who haven't been relegated and is coming off a good season with Crawley. So, if anything, he, for example, should remain in the squad ahead of Springett. Also English born so possesses the same flight risk. Ross Tierney is Dublin-born but is getting regular first team ball with Motherwell and has scored a couple of big goals. Do we unceremoniously drop him on this whim?

Seems very reactive.

There are loads of players who've played in the PL once or twice and fallen off the radar; Doran, Toner, Harriman, Grego-Cox.

People should just cool their jets sometimes.

Not just a different type but a different position too. From what I've seen Springett isn't going to be the type of player to lead the line

You plan on playing without a striker? There's no point dropping a striker for another winger. Our senior squad would be 22 CBs and Josh Cullen if we were using that logic.

Kayode has been effective for us this campaign 3/3 wins with him starting. 1/4 without him. Striker mightn't be the strongest position in our team but Kayode has done the best out of all of them this campaign (although I think Odubeko could prove better if he gets more games)

Kayode may well not play for the senior team, but he is a centre forward and Springett is a wide midfielder. They simply aren't competing for the same spot. I'd disagree with saying Kayode has been completely ineffective too, as mentioned the 21's have a better record when plays, and in the most recent game against Sweden he got the knock on for Wright's goal. 

Speaking of Wright, it's probably actually him that Springett is in direct competition with.

None of the strikers look anything special in Crawfords system. Whoever it is up top has generally just been isolated and struggled to get in the games - Kayode, Whelan, Ferguson, Obafemi, Odubeko, Afolabi, it's all been the same under Crawford.

Our top scorers in the campaign are Coventry (2) & Wright (2). Our DEFENSIVE midfielder is our joint top scorer. Let that sink in.

Jaysus I thought Noss scored a last minute winner or something, 15 new posts and only 1 about him

Was he injured today anyway? Strange that he wasn't even on the bench.

Well taken goal it has to be said.

Joe Hodge thread must have about 500 posts by now.

Going to be intriguing to see what the club actually do with him ahead of this season. Surely can't have him warming the bench without much to no gametime again. 

Scored a hat-trick vs BGMs Legends team last weekend.

Might get a few games over the next few weeks if Thuram is given some time off, but hopefully he gets a loan. 22 next month, needs to be somewhere starting every week.

Has apparently been dropped from the first team squad and sent back to train with the Under 23s. Clearly Daniel Farke doesn't rate him.

He's 22 now and looks to have stayed too long at Borussia. Will hopefully move on in the summer but probably not to a high level. It's a shame as he didn't look out of place in our Under 21s.