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Topic: Targets for 60 Irish players for 2021-22 Season
Posted By: greenshoots
Subject: Targets for 60 Irish players for 2021-22 Season
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 4:51pm
Put a list of 60 players together (which includes 20 or so younger players) and put a target for them for the upcoming 2021-22 Season. Either looking to cement a regular spot they have at their club, looking to get a loan or permanent move or needing to push hard and nail down a regular spot.

Obviously its my own opinion (and open to criticism) but the very fact that there is a pool of 60 players shows we have a decent pick of players (but without the top top players we might have had in the past!)

Some interesting young players coming through and we'd be in a decent position if some of the players pushing for a starting spot at their clubs could nail it down....

Continue to be regular starter
Seamus Coleman - hopefully can remain a regular starter at Everton under a new boss
Dara O'Shea - relegated with West Brom but will surely look to stay and become a 1st team regular
John Egan - will be 1st choice at Sheff Utd if he stays
Matt Doherty - new manager due in at Spurs so needs to impress and continue to be a regular starter
Enda Stevens - will continue to be a 1st team regular at Sheff Utd if he stays there
Andrew Omobamidele - should look to cement his place as a 1st team starter for Norwich
Ciaran Clark - will presumably continue to be a regular starter with Newcastle.
Cyrus Christie - a regular starter for Notts Forest in the Championship and will be hoping this stays the same next season
Alan Browne - continue to be a regular starter for Preston. Hopefully they can push on and challenge for playoff spots
Josh Cullen - continue to be a regular starter at Anderlecht
Jason Knight - regular starter at Derby, with the possibility of a move higher up the chain
Sammie Szmodics -  regular starter at Peterborough and will be looking to keep his place now that they have moved up to the Championship
Jamie McGrath - will be an obvious starter at St Mirren but talks about potentially a move higher up the chain in Scotland or to a Championship club
Callum O'Dowda - presumably will carry on to be a regualr starter for Bristol City in the Championship
Daryl Horgan - a regular contributor for Wycombe in the Championship and will hope to keep this form going.
David McGoldrick - will prob stay with Sheff Utd and continue to be one of their main strikers
Ronan Curtis - regularly involved with the 1st team match day squad at Portsmouth. Needs to ensure he makes a starting place his own.
Callum Robinson - finished the season well with West Brom, presumbaly will stick with them in the Championship and hope to become a regular scorer

Needs a new permanent move
Robbie Brady - has been let go from Burnley. Some Premier League teams may be interested in him. Was worth £13million a few years ago. Needs to re-find some form.
Harry Arter - left out of the Notts Forest squad for the end of the season, so hard to know what the future holds. Probably needs to move on.
Conor Hourihane - will be back at Aston Villa after a loan at Swnasea. Maybe look to secure a move to Swnasea full time or a move to a Championship club to secure regular football.
James McClean - Not sure whether he will remain at Stoke. Would ideally be starting full time or look for a move.

Needs a loan move
Gavin Bazunu - possibly would require another loan deal having spent last year at Rochdale from Man City. Possibly higher up the league this time.
Caoimhin Kelleher - establish himself as No.2 at Liverpool or potentially join a Championship side on loan
Mark Travers - got some game time on loan at Swindon last season but returned to Bournemouth and sat on the bench. Will have his work cut out replacing Begovic so may need to move on loan again.
Troy Parrott - needs a loan move to a Championship club and for it to go well. Needs to be scoring goals to make an impression.

Needs to push for a starting slot
Darren Randolph - Will stay at West Ham and continue is role as No.2 but needs 1st team games to fend off younger keepers in Ireland panel
Ryan Manning - ended the season as a sub at Swansea and needs to force his way into the starting 11
Kevin Long - didnt feature very much for Burnley last season. With Tarkowski set to leave for West Ham, it may open up a CB slot but not sure Long will be the one to be given the opportunity
Shane Duffy - needs to break back into the Brighton 1st team or look to go out on loan to a Championship club, perhaps even a full time transfer
Jack Byrne - contracted with APOEL in Cyprus. Challenge is to get back from injury and become a regular starter.
James McCarty - suffers from long spells out through injury, only started 10 game last year. Will be hoping to stay injury free and work his way back into Crystal Palace team in the Championship
Jeff Hendrick - Spent the latter part of last season on the bench at Newcastle and needs to get back into starting 11
Jayson Molumby - Brighton loaned him to Preston last year and he ended the season on the bench. Needs to progress forward again.
James Collins - just joined Cardiff so challenge is to become regular starter and scorer for them.
Adam Idah - will be hoping to nail down a regular starting spot for Norwich in the Premier League
Aaron Connolly - needs to get back into first team as a regular starter and looking to hit 10 goals a season
Sean Maguire - finished the season the bench at Preston. Needs to get back into the starting team on a regular basis.
Michael Obafemi - unused sub at Southampton towards the end of the season. Needs to work hard to break into the team or move out on loan somewhere
Chiedozie Ogebene -  Will be looking for 1st team football on a regular basis at Rotherham in League One next season.

Younger Players (under 21)
Lee O'Connor - will return to Celtic after a year on loan at Tranmere. Needs to impress the new manager and nail down a spot in the first team squad even if he isn't a regular starter.
Nathan Collins - likely to move on from Stoke and Burnley are preparing a bid. Would need to become 1st team regular if he joins.
John Joe Patrick Finn Benoa - 6 substiture appearances for Getafe in La Liga back in Jan/Feb. Hopefully he can push on and get some regular action with them next season
Will Smallbone - picked up a knee injury in Jan and will be out for a while. Hopefully can get some 1st team action at Southampton when he refurns to full fitness
Ademipo Odubeko - has been on the 1st team bench regularly. Needs to get some regular experience coming on and potentially make a few starts. Getting on the scoresheet.
Mark McGuinness - was on loan at Ipswich last season and potentially needs another loan move to a Championship club or perhaps stay with Arsenal and push to become a member of 1st team squad.
Oisin McEntee - 20 yr old was given a new contract at Newcastle this summer so hopefully he can get into the first team squad at some stage next season
Festy Ebosele - made the bench last season and needs to break through and be a consistent member of 1st team squad at Derby
Shane Flynn - break through and be a consistent member of 1st team squad at Leicester
Sean Roughan - rumoured to be moving from Lincoln with Chelsea and Southampton interested. If this doesnt happen, continue to get 1st team games at Lincoln
Ansemlo Garcia McNulty - 18 yr old with Wolfsburg in Germany. Needs to push into 1st team squad from their second string.
Conor Coventry - make the jump through to the 1st team squad at West Ham and be a regular match day member
Gavin Kilkenny - 21 yr old lad who consistently makes the bench for Bournemouth. Needs some 1st team game time at this stage. Only got 1 appearance from 19 times on the bench.
Will Ferry - unused sub at Southampton towards the end of the season. Needs to get a few subsstitute appearances under his belt and push on
Conor Noss - 20 years old, regular in 2nd team at Borussia Monchengladbach, needs to impress further and secure first team appearances
Louie Watson - highly regarded by Derby and finished the season with 8 sub appearances in the 1st team. Hopefully can push on and get a starting position
Ryan Johansson- 20 year old, playing with 2nd team in Seville. Will be interesting to see if he can get close to the first team
Luca Connell - went on loan to Queens Park from Celtic last season, ended it with a couple of goals. Needs to impress new Celtic manager and get some game time
Bosun Lawal - 18 yr old highly regarded at Watford, could possibly look to get experience with the 1st team squad
Jonathan Afolabi - 21 yr old, went to Dundee on loan from Celtic last year, mostly used as a sub. Will be looking to impress the new Celtic manager or move on permanently.



Replies:
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 8:33pm
kin ell


Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

kin ell

+1


Posted By: Shedite
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 8:50pm
Slow day at work?

Good work all the same


Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 9:05pm
This is why we have to qualify for something. People are losing their minds out here

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Posted By: Heimatklange
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 9:18pm
James McCarthy has left Palace and will also need to find a new club. McClean still has a year on his contract I believe, I assume he will see it out.

A few names that may be worth adding to the list.

Jake Taylor will be playing Championship football next season and has a chance at making the squad.

Danny Mandroiu was called up recently and if there's one LOI player who might get a decent move abroad, it's him. 

Darragh Lenihan at Blackburn is still only 27 and plays every game.


Posted By: Heimatklange
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Younger Players (under 21)
Lee O'Connor - will return to Celtic after a year on loan at Tranmere. Needs to impress the new manager and nail down a spot in the first team squad even if he isn't a regular starter.
Nathan Collins - likely to move on from Stoke and Burnley are preparing a bid. Would need to become 1st team regular if he joins.
John Joe Patrick Finn Benoa - 6 substiture appearances for Getafe in La Liga back in Jan/Feb. Hopefully he can push on and get some regular action with them next season
Will Smallbone - picked up a knee injury in Jan and will be out for a while. Hopefully can get some 1st team action at Southampton when he refurns to full fitness
Ademipo Odubeko - has been on the 1st team bench regularly. Needs to get some regular experience coming on and potentially make a few starts. Getting on the scoresheet.
Mark McGuinness - was on loan at Ipswich last season and potentially needs another loan move to a Championship club or perhaps stay with Arsenal and push to become a member of 1st team squad.
Oisin McEntee - 20 yr old was given a new contract at Newcastle this summer so hopefully he can get into the first team squad at some stage next season
Festy Ebosele - made the bench last season and needs to break through and be a consistent member of 1st team squad at Derby
Shane Flynn - break through and be a consistent member of 1st team squad at Leicester
Sean Roughan - rumoured to be moving from Lincoln with Chelsea and Southampton interested. If this doesnt happen, continue to get 1st team games at Lincoln
Ansemlo Garcia McNulty - 18 yr old with Wolfsburg in Germany. Needs to push into 1st team squad from their second string.
Conor Coventry - make the jump through to the 1st team squad at West Ham and be a regular match day member
Gavin Kilkenny - 21 yr old lad who consistently makes the bench for Bournemouth. Needs some 1st team game time at this stage. Only got 1 appearance from 19 times on the bench.
Will Ferry - unused sub at Southampton towards the end of the season. Needs to get a few subsstitute appearances under his belt and push on
Conor Noss - 20 years old, regular in 2nd team at Borussia Monchengladbach, needs to impress further and secure first team appearances
Louie Watson - highly regarded by Derby and finished the season with 8 sub appearances in the 1st team. Hopefully can push on and get a starting position
Ryan Johansson- 20 year old, playing with 2nd team in Seville. Will be interesting to see if he can get close to the first team
Luca Connell - went on loan to Queens Park from Celtic last season, ended it with a couple of goals. Needs to impress new Celtic manager and get some game time
Bosun Lawal - 18 yr old highly regarded at Watford, could possibly look to get experience with the 1st team squad
Jonathan Afolabi - 21 yr old, went to Dundee on loan from Celtic last year, mostly used as a sub. Will be looking to impress the new Celtic manager or move on permanently.
Excluding Collins who's already broken through, which of these lads will make the biggest breakthrough next year?

I am going to go with Luca Connell. He wiped the floor when out on loan earlier in the year and he show huge ability in the under 21 games for us, he's also got an unreal left foot and is not afraid to take a shot at goal. He's going back to a Celtic team filled with deadwood and a new manager. I think he puts in a big pre season and the new manager sees his quality, next stop a 35 yard screamer in the old firm derby Clap


Posted By: Bukowski
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 5:45am
Good to have this all on one page. Would be useful to update it every few months.


Posted By: Ecumenical Matter
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 6:27am
Good inventory Greenshoots. 👍


When you look at it you really hope that some of the next crop of younger lads really take off.  If this list had been done a year or two back it would have been way more optimistic about Connolly, Molumby, Parrott etc.  


Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 8:30am
Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

James McCarthy has left Palace and will also need to find a new club. McClean still has a year on his contract I believe, I assume he will see it out.

A few names that may be worth adding to the list.

Jake Taylor will be playing Championship football next season and has a chance at making the squad.

Danny Mandroiu was called up recently and if there's one LOI player who might get a decent move abroad, it's him. 

Darragh Lenihan at Blackburn is still only 27 and plays every game.

Plus Thomas O’ Connor 
On loan at Gillingham the last 2 seasons from Southampton.
Just turned 22 so hopefully he can get a loan move to a championship club or added to Southampton squad. 


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Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 9:04am
Great effort for a first post i must say Thumbs Up

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Posted By: JoxerDaly
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 9:08am
What youngsters will make the breakthrough this year  ? Im hoping the likes of Gilsenan and Josh Ireland or Kilkenny, we really need a good no10 to come through as not looking like Jack Byrne will get much of a look in. 


Posted By: Darren
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:06am
thanks mate - really interesting. Looks like it will not be difficult to put a decent team together in the coming years. What we desperately need are a couple of quality players who can turn a game - hopefully some of these can become that



Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:10am
Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

James McCarthy has left Palace and will also need to find a new club. McClean still has a year on his contract I believe, I assume he will see it out.

A few names that may be worth adding to the list.

Jake Taylor will be playing Championship football next season and has a chance at making the squad.

Danny Mandroiu was called up recently and if there's one LOI player who might get a decent move abroad, it's him. 

Darragh Lenihan at Blackburn is still only 27 and plays every game.


Plus Thomas O’ Connor 
On loan at Gillingham the last 2 seasons from Southampton.
Just turned 22 so hopefully he can get a loan move to a championship club or added to Southampton squad. 


Southampton didn't renew his contract so he's a free agent now. Probably why Southampton are now looking at Sean Roughan as the new left back for their B team.


Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:24am
Scully looked a cut above in league 1. Would be good to see how he gets on next season.


Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:45am
Tremendous work Clap




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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:49am
More work put in there to researching Irish players than O Neill and Keane put in during their tenure. 

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Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:54am
Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Scully looked a cut above in league 1. Would be good to see how he gets on next season.

If he looked a cut above why was he on the bench for their biggest game of the season?


Posted By: Devrozex
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 11:29am
Very impressive first post. Clap


Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 11:31am
Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Scully looked a cut above in league 1. Would be good to see how he gets on next season.

If he looked a cut above why was he on the bench for their biggest game of the season?

I believe he has 17 goals and 11 assists for last season and he wasn't always in the team as you pointed out. He's 22 and I suspect has fitness issues which means he doesn't finish 90mins on a regular basis.

Fixing his fitness issues is achievable especially at his age and if he works that out I feel he'll be very good.

But still to deliver what he has last season is remanarkable


Posted By: Mr. Snrub
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 11:55am
Excellent post greenshoots!

The main hope being with the sheer number of young players breaking through at club level, you would hope 4-5 of them will blossom into half decent players and give us a stronger spine for the Euro 2024 campaign. Pinning my hopes on the 2 young keepers, Collins, O'Shea, Connell, Knight, Parrott & Idah.

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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

More work put in there to researching Irish players than O Neill and Keane put in during their tenure. 

True. 
Anyone watch the programme on BBC the other night about Roberto Martinez?
It followed him in his day to day work in the lead up to the euros, some amount of analysis and data he goes through with his team on a daily basis. 
Of course he has the players but its certainly high performance work from him, you'd wonder what ours is like in comparison


Posted By: greenshoots
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:20pm
I think the overall panel for Euro 2024 is looking good.
We have some excellent senior pros and if we can get progress from the two keepers and a decent chunk of the likes of Collins, Parrott, Molumby, Idah, Connolly, Obafemi, O'Connor, Smallbone, Adebuko, McGuinness, Flynn, Roughan, Coventry, Watson, Lawal, we'd be looking at a competitive side....


Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Younger Players (under 21)
Lee O'Connor - will return to Celtic after a year on loan at Tranmere. Needs to impress the new manager and nail down a spot in the first team squad even if he isn't a regular starter.
Nathan Collins - likely to move on from Stoke and Burnley are preparing a bid. Would need to become 1st team regular if he joins.
John Joe Patrick Finn Benoa - 6 substiture appearances for Getafe in La Liga back in Jan/Feb. Hopefully he can push on and get some regular action with them next season
Will Smallbone - picked up a knee injury in Jan and will be out for a while. Hopefully can get some 1st team action at Southampton when he refurns to full fitness
Ademipo Odubeko - has been on the 1st team bench regularly. Needs to get some regular experience coming on and potentially make a few starts. Getting on the scoresheet.
Mark McGuinness - was on loan at Ipswich last season and potentially needs another loan move to a Championship club or perhaps stay with Arsenal and push to become a member of 1st team squad.
Oisin McEntee - 20 yr old was given a new contract at Newcastle this summer so hopefully he can get into the first team squad at some stage next season
Festy Ebosele - made the bench last season and needs to break through and be a consistent member of 1st team squad at Derby
Shane Flynn - break through and be a consistent member of 1st team squad at Leicester
Sean Roughan - rumoured to be moving from Lincoln with Chelsea and Southampton interested. If this doesnt happen, continue to get 1st team games at Lincoln
Ansemlo Garcia McNulty - 18 yr old with Wolfsburg in Germany. Needs to push into 1st team squad from their second string.
Conor Coventry - make the jump through to the 1st team squad at West Ham and be a regular match day member
Gavin Kilkenny - 21 yr old lad who consistently makes the bench for Bournemouth. Needs some 1st team game time at this stage. Only got 1 appearance from 19 times on the bench.
Will Ferry - unused sub at Southampton towards the end of the season. Needs to get a few subsstitute appearances under his belt and push on
Conor Noss - 20 years old, regular in 2nd team at Borussia Monchengladbach, needs to impress further and secure first team appearances
Louie Watson - highly regarded by Derby and finished the season with 8 sub appearances in the 1st team. Hopefully can push on and get a starting position
Ryan Johansson- 20 year old, playing with 2nd team in Seville. Will be interesting to see if he can get close to the first team
Luca Connell - went on loan to Queens Park from Celtic last season, ended it with a couple of goals. Needs to impress new Celtic manager and get some game time
Bosun Lawal - 18 yr old highly regarded at Watford, could possibly look to get experience with the 1st team squad
Jonathan Afolabi - 21 yr old, went to Dundee on loan from Celtic last year, mostly used as a sub. Will be looking to impress the new Celtic manager or move on permanently.
Excluding Collins who's already broken through, which of these lads will make the biggest breakthrough next year?

I am going to go with Luca Connell. He wiped the floor when out on loan earlier in the year and he show huge ability in the under 21 games for us, he's also got an unreal left foot and is not afraid to take a shot at goal. He's going back to a Celtic team filled with deadwood and a new manager. I think he puts in a big pre season and the new manager sees his quality, next stop a 35 yard screamer in the old firm derby Clap
 

There’s plenty lads that could do it. 

Connell would be one yes I would hope he will get into the Celtic picture they are not teeming with depth at midfield. I could see Garcia McNulty getting close to first team action at Wolfsburg too.  

Festy Ebosele I think would be likely to break into the Derby team next season if staying. Will start getting very handy amongst their side. 

Odubeko with a good pre season will hopefully start getting appearances in Cup competitions/Europa League games for West Ham. (presuming he sticks with us) 

If Will Smallbone can come back and get fit he will get a run of first team games for Southampton. Only for injury he’d already be doing this his manager seems to have a very high opinion of him. 

Of the 2003 born lads Callum Kavanagh is one that may well get a first team appearance. Very talented player. 
Also Tayo Adaramola at Crystal Palace is rated really highly there. Another one that may get a first team/cup game look in this season at some stage. 


Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:


True. 
Anyone watch the programme on BBC the other night about Roberto Martinez?
It followed him in his day to day work in the lead up to the euros, some amount of analysis and data he goes through with his team on a daily basis. 
Of course he has the players but its certainly high performance work from him, you'd wonder what ours is like in comparison

Its a crucial part of management, and its a role that has evolved in such a way that managers need to be attuned to it, and if it isn't their strongest suit, they have somebody in the management team that is dedicated to it. The Irish rugby team have had this for a long time (potentially there is somebody in the football management team), but for years, the Irish high performance director has sat alongside Schmidt and now Farrell in the booth, and is almost as visible. The closest I have heard with the FAI was when Noel King had a player identification role, after he left the Under 21 job. But it is a sports science, and when applied, I believe to the list of players that Greenshoots has mentioned, that you could undoubtedly create a team that not only should have been able to get to the Euros, but would still be in the hunt for the World Cup.

In many respects, high performance analytics is something that is way more important that haphazardly giving young players 'minutes' and assuming it will stand to them, or trying to force players to play to a standard that they aren't capable of and assuming it will come good. 


Posted By: sausy
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

kin ell

+1
 
+2
 
It was as long as one of Sid's posts but I actually read this one out of interest.


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Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Excellent post greenshoots!

The main hope being with the sheer number of young players breaking through at club level, you would hope 4-5 of them will blossom into half decent players and give us a stronger spine for the Euro 2024 campaign. Pinning my hopes on the 2 young keepers, Collins, O'Shea, Connell, Knight, Parrott & Idah.
 

March 2023 is the first of these games. That’s the next target. We will have a solid defence by then I think and the two young keepers I have no fear of them. Kelleher particularly but Bazunu should continue to develop too. 

What is key is the young attackers or even the likes of a Szmodics who has declared for us rise on up the ranks and continue to develop. 

I’d love to see Connolly Obafemi Parrott and Idah get loan moves tbh. The first two to the Championship Parrott to League 1 and Idah to either one. Regular gametime is vital and I don’t see Connolly and Parrott in particular getting it at their parent clubs. Drop down a level play regularly find their feet get momentum hopefully start scoring some goals too. People mention Robbie Keane but I’d point Long Walters who spent their early 20s in the Championship or lower even Damien Duff spent two seasons playing Championship football in his young 20s before coming back up with Blackburn. It’s even more competitive for young attackers today in England then it was then I’d argue comfortably so.  

Also young midfielders such as Johansson Smallbone Connell Coventry Molumby Hodge Kilkenny etc find their way and level. Jack Taylor another one at Peterborough will be intriguing to see how he handles the step up. He’s very talented and I’d be hopeful he will impress next season. 

It will be fascinating to see where these lads will be by March 2023. 


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

More work put in there to researching Irish players than O Neill and Keane put in during their tenure. 

True. 
Anyone watch the programme on BBC the other night about Roberto Martinez?
It followed him in his day to day work in the lead up to the euros, some amount of analysis and data he goes through with his team on a daily basis. 
Of course he has the players but its certainly high performance work from him, you'd wonder what ours is like in comparison

I remember going to the Ireland open training session in LR and thinking it's great to be able to see how these elite players train under (O'Neill and Keane)

One group were taking shots on the keeper and then the other group were doing the circle and a player in the middle trying to intercept the ball. 

You'd barely see this at the academy level.


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Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:58pm
Welcome, a solid addition to the forum already. 


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 4:57pm
I think people are probably being overly optimistic when it comes to Connell. He looks too slow to me to make it at a high level. It's a shame because he has a lovely left foot and seems an intelligent footballer, but he really is slow and that's not something that's fixable. It was telling that he didn't even get a run as a sub when Celtic were missing about 15 players after the Lennon piss up in Dubai.

Biggest hopes for me for next season would be an EPL move for Collins, maybe Knight also, Bazunu getting another good loan, Kelleher getting a run of games at some stage and the four younger lads up front getting more game time, probably on loan in most cases.


Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I think people are probably being overly optimistic when it comes to Connell. He looks too slow to me to make it at a high level. It's a shame because he has a lovely left foot and seems an intelligent footballer, but he really is slow and that's not something that's fixable. It was telling that he didn't even get a run as a sub when Celtic were missing about 15 players after the Lennon piss up in Dubai.

Biggest hopes for me for next season would be an EPL move for Collins, maybe Knight also, Bazunu getting another good loan, Kelleher getting a run of games at some stage and the four younger lads up front getting more game time, probably on loan in most cases.

To be fair I never considered Connell to be a slow player. He plays that holding midfield role and am not convinced he's as slow as say hourihane or Glenn Whelan who have made good careers for themselves.

I dont think declan Rice is particularly fast either.

I think he looks a very good player that has been unlucky with injuries more than anything else.


Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 5:44pm
I think the players in desperate need of loan moves would be 

Conor Coventry- still hasn't played men's football and when you consider that Knight is 2 years younger than him and has nearly 100 appearances he really needs to go on loan now. Hes already falling behind.

Gavin Killkenny - similar to Coventry and finding himself on the bench but unlikely to get on the pitch. Needs a loan move to a championship club.

Troy Parrott - really needs to continue the progress he's making with a loan, championship would be ideal but league 1 also good. Would be very easy to lose progress he's made by sitting in the spurs u23.

Jimmy Dunne - not fancied at Burnley but has impressed in games. A permanent move to a championship club where he could get games would be great for his development, possibly one of those players that peaks late on.

Adam idah - he's not going to get goals in the EPL as he's only played a handful of games in men's football. Needs a loan to the championship.

Jayson Molumby - had a decent first season with millwall followed by a bitterly disappointing season with Preston. Needs to be playing football week in week out now. Also needs to settle in the holding midfield role. Hes most definitely not a box to box player. I feel he could be a very good holding midfielder though.

Luca Connell - needs a loan move to a better team the queen's park. Needs to stay injury free and go on loan to a league 1 level club to get back on track but I think he could be a really class player for us.




Posted By: 50%lesssugar&salt
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

I think the players in desperate need of loan moves would be 

Conor Coventry- still hasn't played men's football and when you consider that Knight is 2 years younger than him and has nearly 100 appearances he really needs to go on loan now. Hes already falling behind.

Gavin Killkenny - similar to Coventry and finding himself on the bench but unlikely to get on the pitch. Needs a loan move to a championship club.

Troy Parrott - really needs to continue the progress he's making with a loan, championship would be ideal but league 1 also good. Would be very easy to lose progress he's made by sitting in the spurs u23.

Jimmy Dunne - not fancied at Burnley but has impressed in games. A permanent move to a championship club where he could get games would be great for his development, possibly one of those players that peaks late on.

Adam idah - he's not going to get goals in the EPL as he's only played a handful of games in men's football. Needs a loan to the championship.

Jayson Molumby - had a decent first season with millwall followed by a bitterly disappointing season with Preston. Needs to be playing football week in week out now. Also needs to settle in the holding midfield role. Hes most definitely not a box to box player. I feel he could be a very good holding midfielder though.

Luca Connell - needs a loan move to a better team the queen's park. Needs to stay injury free and go on loan to a league 1 level club to get back on track but I think he could be a really class player for us.



I would have thought he is the opposite of what you just said. 


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 8:24pm
I think Molumby has potential as both a box to box and a holding midfielder. What we know doesn't work is playing him in a more advanced midfield position tucked in behind the forwards like Preston tried. It didn't suit him at all, his game is about carrying the ball forward from deeper positions.


Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

More work put in there to researching Irish players than O Neill and Keane put in during their tenure. 

True. 
Anyone watch the programme on BBC the other night about Roberto Martinez?
It followed him in his day to day work in the lead up to the euros, some amount of analysis and data he goes through with his team on a daily basis. 
Of course he has the players but its certainly high performance work from him, you'd wonder what ours is like in comparison

I remember going to the Ireland open training session in LR and thinking it's great to be able to see how these elite players train under (O'Neill and Keane)

One group were taking shots on the keeper and then the other group were doing the circle and a player in the middle trying to intercept the ball. 

You'd barely see this at the academy level.


It might have been about 18 months after the Euros, cant remember exactly when but we had started our decline just before the end of the WC2108 qualifying campaign. But I'll never forget seeing either a post or an Instagram story of the players doing rondos at the start of a session.

If it was a team from the LSL, you would have been slating them for how bad it was. Honestly some of the worst attempts at possession I've seem from a team, regardless of them being professionals or not.


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Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I think Molumby has potential as both a box to box and a holding midfielder. What we know doesn't work is playing him in a more advanced midfield position tucked in behind the forwards like Preston tried. It didn't suit him at all, his game is about carrying the ball forward from deeper positions.

Molumby doesn't contribute to assists or goals. Every time I've watched him I found he lacks composure in the final third. He also tends to lack positional sense and leave gaps in the midfield.

Where he looks very good is in the tackle, his energy and carrying the ball forward from deep. His passing forward from the back seems to be good too. He needs to lock down his position now.

The fact that he couldn't lock down a position at an average Preston midfield is a worry. As an attacking midfielder, box to box midfielder or holding midfielder.


Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I think Molumby has potential as both a box to box and a holding midfielder. What we know doesn't work is playing him in a more advanced midfield position tucked in behind the forwards like Preston tried. It didn't suit him at all, his game is about carrying the ball forward from deeper positions.

Molumby doesn't contribute to assists or goals. Every time I've watched him I found he lacks composure in the final third. He also tends to lack positional sense and leave gaps in the midfield.

Where he looks very good is in the tackle, his energy and carrying the ball forward from deep. His passing forward from the back seems to be good too. He needs to lock down his position now.

The fact that he couldn't lock down a position at an average Preston midfield is a worry. As an attacking midfielder, box to box midfielder or holding midfielder.
 

Pretty much it. He played for Millwall in that position and the position but also the club suited him. I generally got disagreed with on here for saying he’d have been better served doing the extra year at Millwall when most were saying he was ready for Brighton. If he did go back to Millwall it might be a different conversation now. 

He would play regularly for plenty Championship clubs next season id have no doubt I wouldn’t knock him too much for Preston bit of a basket case in the 2nd half of last season were Preston they got a good young winger from Everton on loan with Molumby who similarly didn’t get much of a look in. 

Who’s to say he won’t get a run at Brighton especially if they sell Bissouma. 


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 10:57pm
Really interesting post. Agree with the majority of it. I would like to see the midfielders find their level and get games under their belt in particular. Molumby has potential but is a bit headless. Needs more discipline which regular football would give him. Knight looks like he could be a stalwart and goal threat in a few years. Cullen I like and he seems to be someone who has good ability on the ball. Wing back wise Doherty needs to do more but McClean's recent performance could keep Steven's out of the team. Idah needs a loan move. Connolly needs to get his head straight and he will be a top player. Keepers look good- prefer Kelleher over Banzu but Randolph should retain his spot for now. O'Shea and Egan will hopefully form the solid basis of a back 3 with one other. Great first post though fair play.

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Posted By: aviva8
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 8:27am
Excellent post and thread.  I agree with a lot of what people are saying about different players. For me the other big think is I hope we get better luck with injuries next season. Last season was a really unlucky one (injury wise) for a lot of our players.


Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 12:32pm
Main target for every player for this season should just be regular first team football, regardless of the level. I'll be the first to criticize Hourihane for his performances but at least he went out and got first team football at a lower level instead of sitting on the bench.

It was very evident from our international windows that the players weren't fit enough. It's not much good saying you're a PL footballer when you barely feature. We'll see much better performances if all our players are getting regular game time, even at Championship level.


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Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Main target for every player for this season should just be regular first team football, regardless of the level. 

100%. We cant have a repeat of last season which started brightly only for a number of key players to fall out of first teams, and match day squads. The moves for Duffy, Doherty, Hendrick and Arter not working out was exceptionally disappointing, as those were moves that should have progressed these players. The loan deals for Parrott, Long and Molumby were, for the most part, poor. Travers' loan deal getting cut was unhelpful. Enda Stevens' being at one of the poorest PL teams since 1992 was regrettable. Kelleher's injury probably has stunted his growth a little.

Then there are lads like McCarthy and Brady who now need other clubs to take them on. I expect there will be suitors, but they would be better off in the Championship or SPL playing weekly, than bench warming in the PL. Hourihane probably needs a move too, as I suspect Villa will have moved on from him. And if he is one of Kenny's preferred players that becomes all the more pressing. Ditto Horgan, who seems to have the bit between his teeth in the Green. I'd rather him do it from the Championship than League 1. Collins has got a move to Cardiff, but ostensibly he will either be working in co-ordination or competition with Moore. If in competition, that means Collins is likely to start the season off the bench.

Next season could also be defining for Coleman. With luck, whoever takes over at Everton will see him as integral. Of course, it could go another way if a new manager comes in with evolution on his mind, at which point Coleman might be seen as more of a leader off the pitch, which won't help our cause.

Then there are the clutch of young players like Omobamidele, Collins, O'Shea who had decent and promising seasons last term (even with Collins having an injury). They need to build on that, and hopefully they will. Obviously with Norwich promoted, and Burnley circling, the first two may well be PL bound which will be welcome.

I also think depending on how the season starts, in addition to the 60 the GS has discussed, the likes of Scott Hogan, Glenn Rea, Aiden McGeady ought to be looked at. Looking at the Euros, age and lack of favour at club level isn't hurting players, so that shouldn't be too much of a bar either.


Posted By: smart man
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2021 at 2:36pm
Interesting. Lee O Connor has to make the breakthrough at Parkhead. He seems to have been around forever.

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Posted By: greenshoots
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 4:53pm
Great to see Gavin Bazunu get a loan move to Portsmouth. Should be of huge benefit to him.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ireland-goalkeeper-gavin-bazunu-joins-portsmouth-on-loan-1.4607886" rel="nofollow - https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ireland-goalkeeper-gavin-bazunu-joins-portsmouth-on-loan-1.4607886

If he is playing regular 1st team football in August / early Sept, it might be enough to keep him in the Irish team ahead of Randolph and Kellher.


Posted By: greenshoots
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 4:10pm
Jayson Molumby and Aaron Connolly have been tipped to leave Brighton on loan for the coming season. Brighton U18 coach Mark Beard said that he expected the pair to seek first team football elsewhere if none is available at Brighton



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