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Topic: Realistic expectations for the next window
Posted By: The Huntacha
Subject: Realistic expectations for the next window
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 5:53am
What's everyone's expectations for the next international window from a points perspective?

Realistically, I think we will get 4/9. We haven't a chance against Portugal, so I'm writing that game off. It's a shame that it's the 1st game of the window because it could halt any momentum. 

Beating Azerbaijan and drawing with Serbia is a realistic target. 


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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 9:49am
The problem is playing the 2 games in 4 days or in this case 3 games in 7.

We played well against Serbia and then lost in the second game, we could end up doing the same as the players will be tried and unable to raise their performance in the second game. 

Although I believe Kenny will have learned from this so we could see a lot of changes in the 3 games.

Serbia have 1 less game to play which could also work against us.


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Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 10:10am

Hummmm again if i am honest i would say 3 points at home to Azer and lose the other two .



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Posted By: oldbilly
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 10:24am
Everybody foolishly underestimating Azerbaijan here.
They appear a solid enough outfit, but three points would be a great result.


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Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 10:47am
I'd be a little bit more optimistic that we have a chance of getting the minimum 6 points that are needed to give us any hope of second based on small improvements have seen in certain players and areas. 
Portgual will be too good but Serbia, if you took Tadic out of the team for example, I dont think are absolutely above our level.  If tadic is injured it would probably even things out. But even with Tadic there, with fans back I  Aviva and hopefully players in form then maybe we could squeeze the win.

Azerbaijan will be very tough too. Will be a tight game but again, with fans you would have to believe we could squeeze the win there.

But most likely we get 2 points knowing us!


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 11:06am
I'd be reasonably confident that we'll do enough to beat the Azeri's and get a draw with Serbia but Kenny is going to have to take a risk in resting players for one of those big games. He'd be more likely to get away with it against the Azeri's and still get the 3 points rather than the other two. 

We'll badly struggle having to play 3 competitive games especially if we're missing players so if he plays our strongest teams in the first two games, we can forget about even having a remote chance of beating Serbia. 

This might not be the most popular thing to say but I'd nearly rather Kenny rest our players against Portugal as it's a certain loss no matter who we have available and have our best available players to have any chance of taking 6 points in the other two games. I know a 5-0 hammering by Portugal would put a huge amount of pressure going into the Azerbaijan game but we have to prioritize the Serbia & Azerbaijan games in that September window. 

I predict 4 points and hopefully Luxembourg drop points at home to Azerbaijan and away to Serbia. We should probably start shouting for Serbia to beat Luxembourg as the gap is too much for us to recover from even if we beat them in Dublin.  


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Posted By: Donegalman
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 11:14am
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

I'd be reasonably confident that we'll do enough to beat the Azeri's and get a draw with Serbia but Kenny is going to have to take a risk in resting players for one of those big games. He'd be more likely to get away with it against the Azeri's and still get the 3 points rather than the other two. 

We'll badly struggle having to play 3 competitive games especially if we're missing players so if he plays our strongest teams in the first two games, we can forget about even having a remote chance of beating Serbia. 

This might not be the most popular thing to say but I'd nearly rather Kenny rest our players against Portugal as it's a certain loss no matter who we have available and have our best available players to have any chance of taking 6 points in the other two games. I know a 5-0 hammering by Portugal would put a huge amount of pressure going into the Azerbaijan game but we have to prioritize the Serbia & Azerbaijan games in that September window. 

I predict 4 points and hopefully Luxembourg drop points at home to Azerbaijan and away to Serbia. 
He certainly can’t afford to rest players again Portugal away or it could be an awful result! Hopefully things are starting to turn so to go away to Portugal and try to come away with even a 1-0 loss when we will realistically play for the draw or something like that would be ok such is the quality they have! Get the win against Azerbaijan in the second game and sure at that stage just hope they can grind out something against Serbia then! A 5/6-0 loss away to Portugal would only turn some of the more fickle people against him!


Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 11:35am
If we can 25k-30k into Lansdown for the Serbia game, I'd be confident we'll get a result. Think this team will perform better in front of a home crowd 

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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Donegalman Donegalman wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

I'd be reasonably confident that we'll do enough to beat the Azeri's and get a draw with Serbia but Kenny is going to have to take a risk in resting players for one of those big games. He'd be more likely to get away with it against the Azeri's and still get the 3 points rather than the other two. 

We'll badly struggle having to play 3 competitive games especially if we're missing players so if he plays our strongest teams in the first two games, we can forget about even having a remote chance of beating Serbia. 

This might not be the most popular thing to say but I'd nearly rather Kenny rest our players against Portugal as it's a certain loss no matter who we have available and have our best available players to have any chance of taking 6 points in the other two games. I know a 5-0 hammering by Portugal would put a huge amount of pressure going into the Azerbaijan game but we have to prioritize the Serbia & Azerbaijan games in that September window. 

I predict 4 points and hopefully Luxembourg drop points at home to Azerbaijan and away to Serbia. 
He certainly can’t afford to rest players again Portugal away or it could be an awful result! Hopefully things are starting to turn so to go away to Portugal and try to come away with even a 1-0 loss when we will realistically play for the draw or something like that would be ok such is the quality they have! Get the win against Azerbaijan in the second game and sure at that stage just hope they can grind out something against Serbia then! A 5/6-0 loss away to Portugal would only turn some of the more fickle people against him!

Those people won't be appeased either way but the heavy loss by Portugal could be mitigated by two positive results in the following games. 

He's simply going to have to take risks as there's going to be a drop off in energy levels at home to Serbia if he plays his strongest possible sides in the first two games. 

Look at the start Turkey had in their group beating both the Dutch at home and Norway away only for them to concede two second half goals and drop points at home to Latvia in the 3rd match. This would have been a guaranteed win if they played them first or in the second match imo. That draw might cost them 1st spot at the bed of the qualifying campaign.

I think Kenny will play his strongest possible side against Portugal and might be a bit more inclined to change it round for the Azeri's with the Serbia game in mind. We'll also need every possible player available for this 3 competitive game window without a doubt.  



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Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 12:07pm
Realistic expectations is 4 points. That’s what I want a draw against Portugal/Serbia and a win against Azerbaijan. Now they are no back number but ideally for me Kenny has one aim now and that’s finish 3rd. 8 points would in my opinion make us quite likely to finish 3rd in the group bar Luxembourg beating Azerbaijan twice. Personally I don’t see that happening though.   

I don’t want to make the mistake of lowering the standard for Kenny too much. We do need to be competitive and need to win a few football matches the rest of this campaign. 


Posted By: sausy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

If we can 25k-30k into Lansdown for the Serbia game, I'd be confident we'll get a result. Think this team will perform better in front of a home crowd 
 
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Posted By: Banjaxed
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 1:16pm
Will be interesting to see who makes the squad in the Autumn.

Barring some Lazurus like turnaround, I don't see Hendrick getting a call up. 

Hourihane is a passenger. 

If there's a lot of players in form, Kenny might have a few tough decisions to make. Nice position to be in. 

Still need some advanced playmaker to show some form, whether that's Byrne in Cyprus or your man at Peterborough. Definitely need something different to spring from the bench.





Posted By: shakeyshamrock
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 1:54pm
I feel like 3 points* is realistic, 4 is very good, 6 is dreamland. 

Portugal away is a free hit, come away with some credit for effort and maybe nick a goal but ultimately fall short. I'd like to see us look solid (as we normally are) but also to carry a bit of a threat on the counter and keep the ball to take the sting out of the game a bit.

Serbia are too tough for us and have more players who can make it count in the decisive moments - we saw that last time they were in Dublin - if they get a chance they'll bury it. A narrow loss or a draw with us pushing hard for an equaliser/winner is about par for a team like that visiting. I'd like to see us try to control this game if we can, or at least have parity in terms of being on the ball. 

The game to win is against Azerbaijan - it's this kind of game that we need to control and win comfortably.. scoring the first, building on it to get 3 or even 3 ahead.. that's what will start to mark this team and this manager out as being different to all that went before.. 

3 points from 1 win and 2 defeats. 3 draws would probably feel worse as the last result would be so disappointing after the first 2. 


Posted By: E2016
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 2:14pm
We have been largely dire under Kenny and while last night was a little bit more positive, pre tournament friendlies are fairly meaningless for the teams involved. We stunk the place out vs Belarus before going on to produce 3 of our best performances in a decade over the following weeks. I wouldnt put much stock in us managing a draw with Hungary, despite it being a positive at least in the context of Kenny's reign.

1 point from 9, coming in a draw v Azerbaijan, and the final nail in the coffin for Kenny I expect.


Posted By: Deco79
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 2:45pm
Our only hope against Portugal is that the fixture is so early into the new season! They are playing in the Euro's and most of their players have already had a long season this year simply because their players play for the top teams and it'll depend when the players start back with their clubs for preseason and how much game time they'll get before playing us... Wishful thinking I know!!! But we have over the years caught teams out in that fixture date in friendlies and qualifiers.
6 Points should be the minimum target in the two other fixtures, Azerbaijan at Lansdowne has to be a win no excuses regardless of how tricky they'll be to play against or how well they've done so far in developing as country football wise. 
The performance away to Serbia shows we can compete and at home and hopefully no Goalkeeping errors this time we should be aiming to beat them. 


Posted By: grannyrule
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

We have been largely dire under Kenny and while last night was a little bit more positive, pre tournament friendlies are fairly meaningless for the teams involved. We stunk the place out vs Belarus before going on to produce 3 of our best performances in a decade over the following weeks. I wouldnt put much stock in us managing a draw with Hungary, despite it being a positive at least in the context of Kenny's reign.

1 point from 9, coming in a draw v Azerbaijan, and the final nail in the coffin for Kenny I expect.

Completely agree with you. Normally, I'd expect a win over Azerbaijan and fancy getting something out of the Serbia match. However, all I expect under Kenny is a draw with Azerbaijan and nothing from the rest which should mean the end for him. 


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Posted By: greenshoots
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 3:45pm
first time poster so I am gonna come out all positive!! Smile

We'll catch Portugal cold after their exertions in the summer at the Euros and hang on for a nil all draw. We have Azerbaijan up next and we should be expecting ourselves to beat them. That brings a very postive team attitude into the final game of the series at home to Serbia. We showed away from home that we could compete with them. A few goalkeeping errros cost us. I fancy us to go into that game on a huge high and turn them over.

Leaving us with 7 points out of 9, and somehow, miraculously, our chances of getting 2nd place in the group are in our own hands.... I'm not ruling out a World Cup yet!!



Posted By: King_Kenny
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

We have been largely dire under Kenny and while last night was a little bit more positive, pre tournament friendlies are fairly meaningless for the teams involved. We stunk the place out vs Belarus before going on to produce 3 of our best performances in a decade over the following weeks. I wouldnt put much stock in us managing a draw with Hungary, despite it being a positive at least in the context of Kenny's reign.

1 point from 9, coming in a draw v Azerbaijan, and the final nail in the coffin for Kenny I expect.

Completely agree with you. Normally, I'd expect a win over Azerbaijan and fancy getting something out of the Serbia match. However, all I expect under Kenny is a draw with Azerbaijan and nothing from the rest which should mean the end for him. 
You expect or hope?


Posted By: lassassinblanc
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 4:50pm
Being realistic 4 points would be a good haul but if I let my overly optimistic self take over.

If Portugal have any kind of Euros Hangover then why couldn't we at least pick up a draw there

Azerbaijan will be difficult but I still think we should have enough to pick up a win.

Serbia at home I think we could beat them, bar goalkeeping errors in Serbia we could have won or least drew that game.

I definitely think we'll bring the confidence from the Training camp into these fixtures whether it will be enough I'm not sure


Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

first time poster so I am gonna come out all positive!! Smile

We'll catch Portugal cold after their exertions in the summer at the Euros and hang on for a nil all draw. We have Azerbaijan up next and we should be expecting ourselves to beat them. That brings a very postive team attitude into the final game of the series at home to Serbia. We showed away from home that we could compete with them. A few goalkeeping errros cost us. I fancy us to go into that game on a huge high and turn them over.

Leaving us with 7 points out of 9, and somehow, miraculously, our chances of getting 2nd place in the group are in our own hands.... I'm not ruling out a World Cup yet!!


I'll go further. We'll get all 9!


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Posted By: E2016
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

We have been largely dire under Kenny and while last night was a little bit more positive, pre tournament friendlies are fairly meaningless for the teams involved. We stunk the place out vs Belarus before going on to produce 3 of our best performances in a decade over the following weeks. I wouldnt put much stock in us managing a draw with Hungary, despite it being a positive at least in the context of Kenny's reign.

1 point from 9, coming in a draw v Azerbaijan, and the final nail in the coffin for Kenny I expect.

Completely agree with you. Normally, I'd expect a win over Azerbaijan and fancy getting something out of the Serbia match. However, all I expect under Kenny is a draw with Azerbaijan and nothing from the rest which should mean the end for him. 
You expect or hope?

In a thread with 'realistic expectations' in the title, considering we have no competitive victory under Stephen Kenny and our only win of his reign of 12 games came in a friendly against a joke outfit who have 6 wins in their history - surely this is the most realistic response. Christ even the Andorra game we tried our best to avoid winning it. 

The other responses are pie in the sky stuff, if we are actually bring realistic.


Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 5:30pm
We will get 2 3 or 4 points with 3 points our most likely haul. 

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Posted By: Lenny82
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 8:35pm
I don't expect us to get anything from Portugal but I didn't expect us to get anything from the Dutch, France, Italy or Germany in the past and we pulled a draw out of the bag.

I do expect us to beat Azerbaijan, most likely a close affair and a 1-0 or 2-1.

Serbia are no world beaters, as we have seen recently. Good results and performances in the 1st 2 games would have us filled with confidence going in to that and we have a better chance of beating them, than they do of us.

Obviously we need to avoid another injury crisis, a bit of luck or ruthlessness in front of goal, and fingers crossed, Ronaldo announces his International retirement after the Euros!


Posted By: Newryrep
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 9:17pm
beg steal or borrow a point in faro would likely be a game changer 

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Posted By: doherty
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 9:40pm
Not getting hammered and cut apart. If we can show some sort of progression against Portigal and create some chances that would be good. A draw would be brilliant but probably unlikely. An early goal for them would be a disaster. If we could get to half time withoutvtjem scoring we might start getting notions.

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Posted By: Jimmy Raggatip
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Portgual will be too good but Serbia, if you took Tadic out of the team for example, I dont think are absolutely above our level.


not this again. They are absolutely a rung above us at the moment.


Posted By: Landsdowne90
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Portgual will be too good but Serbia, if you took Tadic out of the team for example, I dont think are absolutely above our level.


not this again. They are absolutely a rung above us at the moment.

Yeah sadly true, I do fancy us getting something out of the game in Dublin though. More to them than just Tadic, Vlahovic in Serie A was superb if I remember correctly and that’s just one example.


Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 12:01am
Originally posted by Landsdowne90 Landsdowne90 wrote:

Originally posted by Jimmy Raggatip Jimmy Raggatip wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Portgual will be too good but Serbia, if you took Tadic out of the team for example, I dont think are absolutely above our level.


not this again. They are absolutely a rung above us at the moment.

Yeah sadly true, I do fancy us getting something out of the game in Dublin though. More to them than just Tadic, Vlahovic in Serie A was superb if I remember correctly and that’s just one example.


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Posted By: geansaí
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 12:04am
Depends which Serbia turn up, you never know what you are going to get with them. If they turn up playing to their potential we don't have a chance, if they turn in a half arsed performance like they are capable of doing then anything could happen! 

They used to say playing a big country coming off a summer with an international tournament was an opportunity to spring a surprise- don't think that will be a factor against Portugal unfortunatelyLOL 

3 points against Azerbaijan and 2 performances that are competent/good in the other two games would be par for the games. Anything more is a bonus, anything less....well no need to go into that after the decent week we had!



Posted By: Healy52003
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 12:24am
Were not beating Portugal 

The Thought of us playing them is scaring me but id go to the home match in November just to see the quality they have 


Posted By: Stickittotheman
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 9:49pm
Can see us being badly turned over by Portugal. 4-0 maybe if things go against us. Ronaldo, Jota, Fernandes, Cancelo, Bernardo Silva, Dias. They look really formidable. Azerbaijan are no mugs and I would like to think we beat them but it honestly depends on what Ireland shows up. The Luxembourg one and we will beat again. The Serbia or Hungary team and we should have enough. Serbia have know how and are very experienced. If they play well they should beat us. Maybe we will get a point on a good night.

We are a team in transition so I hope to see some green shoots and see some younger players pushing on in the next window. Maybe see a few cement their place in the team.


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Posted By: howieb
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 12:09am
Not a hope of us getting anything away to Portugal. The problem with going away to Portugal next game is we couod get a hiding and confidence would be really low going into the Azerbaijan game. 
I'll go for a win against Azerbaijan and a draw against the Serbs but wouldn't be surprised if we draw with Azerbaijan and lost to Serbia. 


Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 9:05am
There's not many teams in the world that would get any sort of result against Portugal in Portugal.

Ot would be a test for us.



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