It’s not a fair fight obviously, Israel is arguably for its size the best secret service in the world, and equipped just as well if not better compared to Great Britain. Israel is extremely friendly with the likes of the US etc which also helps their side of events of what’s happening in the region. Personally I’ve also felt it had similarities to Northern Ireland, complicated and most don’t really understand it or what Hamas for example are even fighting for.

It will cool off again then start up like it has done for thousands of years .

I fear for the Arab areas within Isreal and Arab towns in the north as every Israeli has a gun and are Army trained .

I believe they warned the residents to evacuate before bombing it? Not sure on this but thought I read it in a report.

Were hamas soldiers using it as a base? 

Clearly it is you that do not understand. 

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in terms of ignorance, because if it's not that, your morals (and sense of human decency) are completely f*cked. 

It’s not about morals. We for some reason want to completely forget the actions of Hamas over decades. Who are terrorists. That’s not a defence of the Israeli state but their is fault on both sides. Keep in mind Hamas aim is the eradication of Jews and liberation of Palestine, which isn’t going to be possible now. It’s become popular to #FreeGaza, no one cared 1000 years ago, or 100 or 200. Israel should of course face international pressure flr their actions in some aspects, but some of their action is self defence of their own people. That can’t be held against them either. There’s a reason their defence system is the most sophisticated on the planet. 

I have always thought of Hamas as Sinn Fein after 1916 until the end of the war of Independence they have a military wing alas the IRA but there military wing is not picking its battles well. Could be wrong as wrong could be but what can the Palestinians do instead the Israeli are bastards backed with this unbelievable military

Let's not forget that these ****s have used fake Irish passports to commit murder

Coincidental this didn’t happen two weeks ago when Netanyahu was trying to form a government but when the main opposition leader was invited all hell breaks loose. He’s had blood on his hands a long time now.

Still it's impossible to deal with Hamas as they want all jews dead, ALL .............

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Socialized with a few of them in Oz too - arrogant miserable ****s they were.

Have to agree.

The ones I’ve met have all been miserable. 

Whether you want to state explicitly or not, you're a supporter of Israel. The "fault on both sides" argument accounts to tacit support for Israel. This is how they want the narrative to go. While people throw there hands up and say "oh what can you do, they're both in it", the Israelis continue to rob - flat out, internationally-recognised, daily theft to the point where Palestine is an nonviable, unlivable shell. This suits nicely - they don't want a 1 state solution or proper 2 state - and perpetual war is the way to ensure this continues. 

Support for Israel is not just morally abhorrent, it's inherently racist - i.e. you believe one group of people has the right to prosper over another, simply because of their birth religion/race.

Palestinians have long surrendered, they sued for peace for years; more moderate parties were in place for the majority of the conflict. It got them nowhere. They are weak and desperate, and at least the rhetoric of Hamas gives them some pathetic sense of empowerment.

You can't tar everyone with the same brush in fairness. Their government is full of ****s and there is a large number of religious extremists, but there are also many ordinary Israelis who are appalled at what's being done in their name as well.

No one cared about what happened in the middle East a thousand years ago.... Something about a crusade????? 

I’m met some very decent Israelis in my time and was happy to spend time with them. Those in bigger groups tend to be younger and loader. Not unlike paddies in say Aus. Post army they seem to be on edge which can be understandable.

Arrogant - not much different to your average wealthy Arab nation citizen, Aussie or Dutch.

Generalisations eh.

Generalization or not. I can only judge the people I have met socially and have worked with.

The narrative to go? Hamas killed a 6 year old this week with anti tank missile. They don’t need to say anything except the facts. Firing missiles into a city is careless, with the sole aim of killing and destruction. They’ve been at war multiple occasions now, recently being 2006. First being as I said earlier 1948. That’s longer than the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland. In 1948 Israel was created to be a Arab/Jewish state at the UN Council, ironically it was the Arabs that invaded non settled Jewish areas to prevent that. Jews flocked to Israel in the 1920s-40s to flee the oppression often of Hitler, would you prefer they all stayed and died! The local Arabs couldn’t accept the Jews calls it was their ancestral home. Hamas also refuse to move on agreeing what a peace treaty could look like, as for them any Jews in the area is one jew too many. 

The day will come when Israel has had enough of watching rockets fly over Tel Aviv and they invade the Gaza Strip. As they’ve done in Lebanon previously. Israel has a democratically elected government, it is recognised by the UN, the capital being Jerusalem is recognised by the USA. Are all their actions perfect, absolutely not. But a few bad apples or actions isn’t the entire nation or army. Similar to the British Army, those individuals who opened fire in Ballymurphy/Derry don’t stand for the entire British army most of which would of been disgusted and outraged at those shootings and the time it’s taken for a verdict of innocent. 

 

I lived in Israel for 10 months saw things from both side now i know you don't get this but i would say most Jews want peace want to raise their children and so on .

 

The devide between rich and poor with Arabs and Jews is massive , now i have sat down and heard stories from Arabs also they have very good points and i do feel for them .

 

This will not end this year or the next century and everyone knows it .

Irish people and Israelis are not generally culturally aligned. They are very forthright and speak their minds. We tend to be more concerned about how our message is received and soften our speech "Ah I'm grand thanks. Yes everything is fine thanks." 

We see this as being polite but other nationalities can be confused by us or even consider us two faced.

I met a heap of Israelis traveling and some of them were great folk. However, there was a higher than normal percentage of absolute w@nkers. I remember one of the sound ones explaining to me that he was going to complain in a restaurant in order to get us a discount. He thought I'd be delighted to save a few bob and was shocked when I had a pop at him. They seem happy enough with minor social conflict as part of their daily lives, its like its viewed as a debate more than a row. I'm not wired to deal with that personally. Life is too short. 

I fear for everyone over there that Israel's right wing strategy towards the Palestinians could cause a cataclysmic collapse of the state some day.

Many think that would never happen.... Well I remember in the noughties thinking Syria would be a cool place to travel to. It was peaceful and safe. I'd go visit the ancient cities and eat at the largest restaurant in the world in Damascus  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7435424.stm" rel="nofollow - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7435424.stm Some hope of that happening now. 

TigerRoll wrote: The narrative to go? Hamas killed a 6 year old this week with anti tank missile. They don’t need to say anything except the facts. Firing missiles into a city is careless, with the sole aim of killing and destruction. They’ve been at war multiple occasions now, recently being 2006. First being as I said earlier 1948. That’s longer than the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland. In 1948 Israel was created to be a Arab/Jewish state at the UN Council, ironically it was the Arabs that invaded non settled Jewish areas to prevent that. Jews flocked to Israel in the 1920s-40s to flee the oppression often of Hitler, would you prefer they all stayed and died! The local Arabs couldn’t accept the Jews calls it was their ancestral home. Hamas also refuse to move on agreeing what a peace treaty could look like, as for them any Jews in the area is one jew too many.  The day will come when Israel has had enough of watching rockets fly over Tel Aviv and they invade the Gaza Strip. As they’ve done in Lebanon previously. Israel has a democratically elected government, it is recognised by the UN, the capital being Jerusalem is recognised by the USA. Are all their actions perfect, absolutely not. But a few bad apples or actions isn’t the entire nation or army. Similar to the British Army, those individuals who opened fire in Ballymurphy/Derry don’t stand for the entire British army most of which would of been disgusted and outraged at those shootings and the time it’s taken for a verdict of innocent.

The Israeli right is so far out of line. There is literally no prospect of a peace deal for a generation. 

Bottom line ..................

There is over 20 Arab states in the world and one Jewish .

Where would you chosse to live is you were Jewish ? 

They had the choice in 1947 for the spilt where the Palestinians were given the best two parts of land but they wanted it all . 

Remeneber the Palestines were given back Gaza as part of the peace deal , now that worked well . 

Sweep sweep nothing to see here! 

Some boyos on here alright! 

Tell me it's not a coincidence all of it kicks off the day after Netanyahu's rival was asked to form a government 

It all started with deliberate acts of provocation by tossing stun grenades in a revered Mosque, during Ramadan! 

I don't think it's a land grab or any of the sort, Benny's at risk of losing power, he needs to do something to earn votes when they inevitably goto the polls yet again and this will probably do it. 

Kicks off every year.

Hamas rocket Israeli land, Israelis bomb the sh*te out of West Bank/anywhere hamas exist.

You're spot on and you're also right that it's not a land grab seeing as the land has already been grabbed 70 odd years ago. 

I hate those IDF bastards more than anyone on this planet. 

Ye could be right

I think we are waiting for the EU to all do it together which will never happen because Czechia will always back Israel no matter what. Sweden has recognised it though. Ireland exports a lot to Israel too. Israel's long term plan is to take all the Palestinian land. The whole of Europe knows this and will do nothing about it. 

As for those far right youth groups burning out their arab citizens homes and businesses they need a good history lesson.   

Would it not be the case that they could be very well aware of the history but in their mind it is completely different? A lot of them literally believe that it is their land, given to them by god and it is morally incumbent on them to drive out non Jews and take back what is "theirs" in order to bring about the coming of the Messiah. You can't argue with religious zealotry like that. 

There is no difference, I'm just saying that pointing this out to them won't make the blindest bit of difference in their thinking as they will fundamentally disagree that it is in any way comparable. They won't learn from history as they just plain don't believe that what they are doing is wrong. Worse, they believe they are doing god's work. Saying that they should read a history book won't in any way change their minds. 

Biden should be told to go and f**k himself now whenever he plans a visit to Mayo/Carlingford for his pint of Guinness and photo op. Just signed off the sale of $700m worth of missiles to Israeli army.

Evil. 

He has until Wednesday to convince just a few MP's that the deal is bad and to vote against it otherwise he's gone.

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Give Tom Friedman a listen. It might enlighten you and others to the complexity of the situation. 

"Gaza will burn" is just the sort of thing a moderate centrist would say. 

He gone! 

Can’t see the coalition lasting however, too much political differences. The only thing they had in common was ousting him

f**k Israel the colonial settler terrorist state.