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Jackal wrote: Normal working class people don't follow these clubs anymore. They are for tourists and dopes that like salads at half time. The lower leagues are the place to be.

Correct.  The Premier League is a global league with global players and global managers and owners. Certainly not English Football.

The Championship is ok.

The golden era for most sports was probably in the 1980s-early 1990s.  TV coverage was probably at the right amount on terrestrial tv, money hadn't taken hold and sportspeople were one of the people generally with a modest amount of money, professionalism hadn't kicked in whereby you still had characters in every sport who drank or smoked or were natural in front of cameras not like now with sport psychologists drilling out any sort of emotion that might portray competitive weakness or humility.

We have robots playing sport now for obscene money who are so far removed from the people who watch them it is scary.

It’s already been financed by JP Morgan. Curious to see further details on how it would work and in what format.

Wise up Byrne

It’s an awful idea and would end football 

Aren’t all fans costumers in some capacity? Buying sky/BT to watch games, tickets, training gear/jerseys etc etc We’re very much both. What would fans want? To watch Man Utd v the best weekly or v WBA/Fulham. 

I would argue that there aren't too many Fans at any of the big franchises, hence why they are franchises. Anyone giving money to Sky or BT are also part of the problem.

We can agree on the fact we both want it to happen, Tops! You for rampant libertarian globalisation and me for the hilarity that will ensue.

Not all fans subsist on a diet of Champions League fixtures as a neutral.

I’d rather just keep football as it is tbh, it isn’t perfect but is better than watching 10 or 12 teams from across Europe, some of whom wont finish in their top 6 this season, play each other all season 

It was already destroyed, people are just clinging on to an illusion. This will put it out of its memory.

It's the same old thing on repeat. They push a Super League breakaway and UEFA then bend over backwards to keep them and we get a Champions League that is even more in thrall to the main clubs and franchises and repeat, until the CL is officially a European Super League in all but name. It more or less is now.

Can’t see this one happening either 

And I cant help but feel that the motivations of individual clubs are pretty transparent. I suspect this "Six" that is being mentioned will curiously not include Leicester City.

Well when teams who don’t finish in their top 4 start qualifying for it then I’d agree 

And that is the inevitable next step. There has already been murmurings of 'heritage teams' and the like. I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome of this will be the 12 or 14 richest teams, the only ones that can win the bloody thing in most cases, will qualify automatically and even less entries from teams outside the so-called big 5 leagues.

Its staring Arsenal, Spurs and (to an extent) Liverpool in the face right now. There is almost something comical about Arsenal who have been in decline for over 15 years, and Spurs who have won one cup of substance in the past 20 years being involved.

Why aren’t they fans? I am curious. What makes an individual a fan or customer. Someone living in Stretford who goes to Old Trafford weekly, buys a shirt and has sky isn’t a fan as he takes part in these activities. 

A lot are clowns alright

There will, I suspect, also be pressure from the bigger franchises in the EPL to cut the league to allow for more CL match days. I expect similar pressure to be applied to international football, but FIFA will be a tougher nut to crack on that.

He is also a f**king rarity. What percentage of Manchester United season tickets are anywhere near Manchester? 

Manchester United don't want fans and don't care about them. Every fan from Stretford is replaceable by a customer who is worth more to them financially, even if they never go to Old Trafford. This pandemic has emboldened franchises because it has shown they don't need ticket sales at all. It is bonus money, a few bob on the side.

I could never see the Italian ultras allowing this to happen. They have the power to bankrupt clubs.

This

Will English clubs get another champions league spot? Ideally they want 6 places. 

With 3 European competitions they will be pushing the lower leagues out of the most lucrative competition.

What does it matter f they get 6 spots?  Arsenal won't be in the top 6 regardless.  Maybe Spurs could potentially miss out also?

Basically what it is is these ''big 6'' want a god given right to earn mega bucks by signing up to a cartel that they are guaranteed to be part of.  Arsenal wont make the Champions Laague and these clubs dont want to have any risk involved in missing out.

Its an absolute joke.  Football has been dying and this is going to be the penultimate nail in the coffin.  The final nail will be the mickey mouse world cup they are pushign ahead with.

Man U need this the most IMO. 

They have one of the highest wage bills in word football but have only finished top 4 50% of the time post fergie. 

They need the regular champions league money every season. 

I think the debate will be heritage teams automatically in and then those countries with such teams, which I predict will be the richest leagues with a sop or two to Ajax and Porto and then a number of places still being awarded for league places to the 'big 5'. 

Juventus being in  a precarious position will be a factor in this debate.

The biggest surprise is Qatar  being against it. I wonder what their reason is. Bayern maybe altruistic, but I can't see PSG being so.

If they go don't let them back  in simple .

It’s also laughable that Spurs consider themselves as part of the elite when they haven’t won a proper trophy since 1991 and a league since 1961. 

Based on geographical location and turnover they are. That's all that matters.

It's hard not to like Neville and his rant has gone viral, but he is happy to take money from Sky, who have stole English football's soul, while simultaneously helping to pump money into a hobby club that themselves would fall foul of any proper regulation in English football.

How do you see it impacting Irish football Balders? 

I haven’t a f**kin clue  but my instinct is it probably wouldn’t be good but I am not basing that on anything concrete. 

Shhhh

They have won more European competitions than the Oil tycoons PSG and Man City and they MUST be included.

The metric is purely based on annual revenues. 

Forest won’t be getting an invite. 

Galway Utd have said they will have no part of this.

Taking a stand.

The Championship is f**ked as well. It is only a matter of time before you end up with about 16 or so teams who swap between the two divisions. The unpredictable nature of the division has been coming more and more untrue as time passes. Many of the owners are as dodgy and worrisome as the league above, most clubs are run at massive debt chasing the dream of getting to the promise land. About half the league are owned by owners with no interest, love or connection to the places the teams are based and that is only going to get worse, unless this ESL actually were to take off and that would lead to a return to a more natural level of competition in the English leagues.

And have all been in talks over the years and probably would leave their own domestic leagues if a more lucrative alternative was possible

Irish fans complaining about the potential damage done to the English league by this proposal 

The Super League is aimed at barstoolers, you should be delighted. 

Do find it funny people giving out about it who wouldn't step foot in their local ground.

Game at the top level is long gone, hopefully more people realise that and do start coming to the league on their doorstep. 

The Premier League bosses were too busy stuffing cash into their pockets to care about who they were letting run their big clubs/ products. Now it turns out that the oligarchs/ hedge funds/ petro states don’t have the best interests of English football at heart 

I think it's hard to like the cxxt tbh. 

Every football fan agrees with his point on the super league but he has to give a hollywood performance in comparison to Keane who summed it up in a few words (i.e. the greed) and left it at that. It was a safe subject to have a rant about when you know you'll have overwhelming support. 

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I think Keane was cringing in his seat while Gary's you tube clip  was playing out in real time. 

He's an absolute cuck when he's appearing with Keane whether it was their appearance on off the ball a couple of years back or during United games on sky. He's too conciliatory when Keane was rubbishing Ferguson or if Keane is challenging his opinion when they're on the sky panel. He clearly disagrees with Keane at times but he just goes back into his shell. 

I find him an absolute bore of a pundit but one thing I will say for Jamie Redknapp, he might have a bit of bias towards Spurs (and Keane's overall point is correct about them) but at least he takes Keane on a bit more when he disagrees with him.   

Anyway back on topic. Boooouuuuurrnnns to the Super League proposal.  

I'm not overly bothered what he says on there though. Punditry died in football years ago anyway!

What a weird take.

You on the sauce? Are we actually complementing Jamie Redknapp on his punditry, is this where this forum has gone to!? 

Did you actually read my post? 

I called him a bore of a pundit.

At least he seems to stand up for himself a bit when he disagrees with Keane unlike Neville. 

And the way that it was a "leak" rather than a press release, makes me think teams will distance themselves from it eventually.

That said, it's the route it'll go eventually, these americans that bought these clubs are used to no relegation with their US teams and want the same setup.

This explains why they're happy to have their pundits slate this idea.

Do the breakaway clubs want it sanctioned under UEFA or run by their owners? 

Yes they do.

What does strike me is that there is at least some degree of coordination about it. I have yet to read a single team whose name has been mentioned do a cut and run, and flatly deny that there is any substance in this. If at 9:30 there is some sort of unified response, I feel that will suggest that clubs are undoubtedly discussing this, and that while it may be used as leverage now, it may become a reality down the line if finances deteriorate, or competition jeopardises the cartel that has sprung up in European football. also, if UEFA factor it in, in finalising the new CL plans, this will embolden these teams to try this again in the future.

They've definitely seen the backlash in the media and online and reconsidered (if they were ever serious about doing this at all)

UEFA will inevitably fold to many of their demands off the back of this

They're watching Line of Duty, its a cracker tonight

Absolute bottle merchants

😂😂heard neville bang that out. I was quite surprised when I stuck it into Google! Hope that’s not what he meant!

Football is such a joke at this level. Every club mentioned is in serious financial bother. By no means can they be classed as the most elite in Europe. Some, yes. All, no. It's honestly going to be the most boring competition 

The money bags league where no poor teams are allowed enter.  What a snobby sh*t load of crap.

Maybe it will be a euthenasia of all the superclubs and bring football back to the people to some degree

UEFA needs the top 15 teams in Europe. Or they’ll have a hard time selling their TV licensing at the same price they currently get. 

MayoMark wrote: They've actually created a European cup that they can never fail to qualify for. What a farce

Everyone's a winner!  No relegation.

f**k them all out of domestic football and it will actually be more enjoyable to watch where its a much more level playing field.  Anyone could win it like the old days.

They haven’t turned it down, yet. They’ve probably sat on the fence for another few weeks, before ultimately joining. 

It's based on revenue though?

Ireland are the big winners therefore

We lose Matt Doherty just 

Their chief executive is on the uefa board so would explain why they not part of it YET

Not the right time for them to rock the boat with the world cup in Qatar next year, they're probably worried it would be taken off them.

No, no, they have. I fly the PSG team jet for away games and have heard this from the big wigs. 

‘Could be’ that’s not going to happen. FIFA would lose a few billion in sponsors. There’s a lot more to this behind the scenes than football. There’s billions in advertising to name just one aspect. No one wants to lose out. And the 15 largest clubs in Europe have a huge say.

He wont be around at Spurs to be banned

Once Tottenham get their share of the 3.5 billion or whatever I don't think we'll need to worry too much about losing Doherty to this super league.

Probably just as well that Troy Parrott turned out to be sh*te in the end.