There has been a few incidents in racing going back over the years, a couple that spring to mind is Martin pipe and Mickey Quinn, obviously loads more but that’s just off the top of head.

If you’ve a couple of mill invested in an animal, you’ll want them receiving the best possible care, this pic questions that. 

I’d say Mullins phone is ringing off the hook today 

What did they do?

Hardly comparable? 

Also whoever he got to write/come up with his statement should be sacked too  “and without thinking I sat down” (on the body of the dead horse) “hearing a shout from my team I gestured to wait until I was finished” 

Reminded me of the classic Wayne Hennessey I waved and shouted at the person taking the picture to get on with it and at the same time put my hand over my mouth to make the sound carry.

Fairly easy for him to plead ignorance to that 

Very like the fai statement releasing them late a night in the hope they wouldn’t make the next days papers. 

Gigginstown are winding down so may do nothing.

Does JP have many with him? Struggling off the top of my head to name many.

He's purposely tried to ensure he doesn't have too many horses with one owner - In a case like this it will probably stand to him as most will probably stay put and not move their horses.

You've lost me there Sid.

No evidence of any animal being mistreated. 

On to the next chapter, as wellness industry influencer-influenced Twitterers say

Sid, you're normally a good man for pulling others up on here when they don't directly answer your points. So, I'll pull you up on this one. 

Instead of pulling me up, would you not force me to ride so hard that I got a heart attack?

Not in a sexual sense, you understand, although let's and see what comes out about Gordon on that score

Thoroughbred horses are bred to run - They are not being mistreated by being made to run.

Think you've been engaging with Qewan too much on twitter and it's rubbing off!

Maybe sometimes it would be better to allow them walk or have a roll about in the hay - a bit like Gordon actually

I think sedating a horse with 100 times the recommended dosage and making it try jump a fence is a lot worse than sitting on a dead horse. 

Weird values. 

O'Leary saving 35 euros a week after moving his horses from Willie Mullins and thats all that matters

It's actually a loss of €7.99 after Elliott's hidden fees for horse luggage, priority stable access and extra hay and polo mints are added on

They fully cooperated with that investigation - the likes of Matt Chapman incorrectly sharing misinformation on this point. 

The issue was that I may set myself up as an agent to lay bets for people but I don't have to tell you who I'm getting the money from 

It will probably depend on whether he is banned from racing for a period of time or not.

The business end of the season is coming up for National Hunt racing so if he is banned I can see owners pulling their horses. 

Who are the main owners in his yard, JP has a few but not too many, the Morans do also. Not sure if the Donnellys have any with him? Dont think so.

As I mentioned above he has purposely tried to have a large group of owners to ensure that if one chose to leave then it wouldn't sink him.

The Moran's sponsor his yard so if they go that would still have a big impact. 

Not according to Charles. 

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I think it is well in the public domain that he isn't correct on this point.

And before anybody asks, I've no connection with Flutter and have no reason to defend them!

You are right that this is the last thing that racing needs - Paints a very negative picture which will colour some public opinion.

But you are wrong on the Cheltenham point from last year. The UK Government did not tell them to cancel and it was the government advice at the point that it could go ahead: The fault lies there. 

Where are you seeing this?

Have a lot of family in racing its been told around elliott banned from training in England now wouldn't guarantee de Bromhead but I would be 95 percent certain 

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It was a rotten enough thing to do the picture shows that I can see your point entirely but this is sort of thing authorities will always come down hard on simple as

Well he has lost his Betfair sponsorship, will more than likely loose the Chevley horses and now looks like he won’t have any runner in Cheltenham. That seems punishment enough for me. 

He’ll have runners at Cheltenham 

Could they extend the ban after the IHRB probe? If the IHRB just issue a fine for example and the BHA are not happy could they ban him from Uk racing anyway for a period of time ?

Good point will be very interesting to see if this looms over him in long term I personally don't feel he will ever be as strong and he shouldn't be but I'm not to sure how he will rebuild from this or can he rebuild from this

No he won't Ihrb will almost certainly give him a ban longer than two weeks

The bigger thing is.... usually a leak starts with a trickle before the full flow, it’s what will come out in the next few days that will do the most damage. 

At the end of the day if it does all go tits up he has no one to blame but himself. For the sport I hope there’s nothing else in his closet cause it’ll ruin him & ruin Cheltenham if there is 

Daniel Kinahan perhaps

No since June 1st 2020 it has been able to run smoothly and safely the point to point scene has been cancelled so tough on all point to point trainers but trade for horses is still good and not many job losses in track yards

She won the Irish Grand National in 2002

Look it up

The male ones might be moved to stud which basically means they are treated like royalty and every so often get to do the business with a few mares. 

Nearly all jumps horses are gelded so wouldn't be much use if moved to stud. 

I'm pretty sure this isn't an isolated thing, things like this tend to show us the real person, he's just disgusted that someone took and leaked the photo.

For an average punter, get him to sit out the rest of the season, by Cheltenham 2022 this will be a footnote.

To be fair to him he has held his hands up and accepted he is going to be punished.

As a matter of interest, what do people think is a suitable punishment, should he be barred from racing for life and give up his livelihood and the livelihood of his sixty odd staff for one stupid moment? 

No real precedent here. He won't be banned for life. 

Maybe a 3 month ban and a large fine if the investigation doesn't find any evidence of mistreatment of animals which I doubt it would. 

He didn’t though he came up with a laughable excuse. 

No I don’t think a lifetime ban is in order either, I’m more pissed off with the damage he (and now others) have done to the sport. 

The gelded jumping horses a lot of them go hunting after retirement or used to help young jockeys they continue to be ridden out until they're in there late teens because nearly all horses enjoy it then most just go live in a field all summer and stay in stables in the winter.

Is that what happened the scientist 

I know there are rumors on other things to come out, but surely Gigginstown would have asked him the question before releasing their statement. So you would hope there is nothing else lurking in the background. 

Also, there are a number of rehoming schemes both in the UK and Ireland that find homes for horses after racing.

Had a leg in a horse for a short while and followed him after he was sold to other owners. When he was retired he was rehomed somebody who rides him out for exercise every day on the beach near to where they live. 

 

What i was told this morning " if his treatment of women come out he could end up in real trouble  " now just what i was told by a lad .

The O'Learys have said for some time they would do this so no surprise really.

Is a post going around that would back this up Murph will be interesting to see what else comes out over the next few weeks

Most wouldn't know the half of what does or doesn't go on in yards or anywhere else.

Exactly, i have seen the video of the "shebeen" but all show is GE drinking, no indication of when the video was taken or anything so no proof it was during lock down.

And like I said, the O'Leary's wouldn't have released this statement without ensuring there was no more to come. Time will tell i suppose.

Claims he would slap her ass and pull her nipples while she was trying to do her job at a racecourse on occasion. 

Post I referred to was made by an ex employee of his I don't know ins and outs of it all hence why haven't posted it here anyone that wants to see it can find it online themselves. If what's been said is true the shebeen and even the horse picture is the least of his worries

And if the type of behaviour that's mentioned goes on in yards or anywhere else in the horse world then I'm happy I've nothing to do with the industry

On the other side of what you said re your friend, Elliott has managed to keep hold of a huge number of staff over the last number of years and I know this because I've dealings them on a daily basis. 

It is ironic how when one story breaks numerous other stories tend to then, yet you wouldn't hear many talking about their experiences prior?

If that sort of stuff gains traction he's finished

You must be very naive if you think that a yard in the horse racing industry is any worse than what could go on in an office, school, dressing room etc 

Ffs I don't know many offices that the alleged behaviour would be seen as acceptable. If that makes me naive then so be it but in 2021 didn't think many would see it as acceptable behaviour (again maybe that makes me naive)

Where did I say it was acceptable 

I merely stated that you must be naive if you don't think stuff like what that girl stated (which hasnt been proven true as of yet) doesn't take place in the likes of offices, shops etc.

I would hedge a bet that hundreds of these incidents take place throughout the country on a daily basis in the workplace or elsewhere.

Whether they're seen as playful fun or disgusting or wrong etc that's completely upto the individual. Obviously its wrong in my eyes!

 

There have been some good office stories posted on here over the years.

That's the only way it stops

Was an unfair weight in fairness, barely got round 2m 4 in Navan

 I would be surprised if females are getting arses slapped and nipples twisted in many office settings maybe I just not around the right offices during the week. Will go back to my original point that if these claims prove to be true then he has bigger issues than the horse pic and shebeen video (which btw I believe will be blown out of proportion as bad as they look)

I'd say the arse slap is still extremely common in the workplace.

Oh and I agree 100% if he's found guilty of sexual harassment he's in deep trouble.

 

Maybe part of the same story i was told , but there are times when something breaks other come out to what happened to them .

 

If anyone saw the Max Ciifford thing on Channel 4 last night , it just took one person to tell the police what went on then others came out ..

 

Now RB if the story is right or wrong i think we will soon find out .

I'd strongly doubt that

You think? I don't know now from working in offices and sports shops etc down through the years it was commonplace.

Not saying the whole place would be at every second or anything mind.