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Topic: Journalists/writers - who's good and who's bad
Posted By: sid waddell
Subject: Journalists/writers - who's good and who's bad
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 11:26am
Good:
Naomi O'Leary - Irish Times Europe correspondent - different class
Fintan O'Toole
Like Declan Lynch's columns
Gene Kerrigan too
Internationally: Gary Younge
Peter Beinart
Mark Steel and Marina Hyde are very funny
Yer wan Ellen Coyne formerly of the Murdoch Times, now of the Indo is good
Justine McCarthy is generally very good but threw in a stinker of a column last Sunday week

Bad:
Glenn Greenwald - the worst type of contrarian
Most of the Sindo especiaally Niamh Horan
Pat Leahy in the Times is meh
The IONA column in Saturday's Times should be done away with, not cool to have a dedicated disinformation section in Ireland's paper of record
There's a guy called Mark Paul in the Times who is awful


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Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:02pm
https://twitter.com/f365/status/1354022747035340800?s=12" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/f365/status/1354022747035340800?s=12
Thought this was a very good piece. Against the grain of a Lampard love-in. 


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:10pm
do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 
I tend to disagree a lot with people who have awful opinions

Like, if anybody can come up with a writer or journalist who can make a good case for Trump or Brexit or Putin or the current Tory government, I'm all ears

I've yet to find one

Who are these excellent journalists that you would fundamentally disagree with


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

https://twitter.com/f365/status/1354022747035340800?s=12" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/f365/status/1354022747035340800?s=12
Thought this was a very good piece. Against the grain of a Lampard love-in. 
The whole Lampard thing was an exercise in preening Brexit-style nostalgia

The "people like us" thing was rampant throughout it, be it in Lampard's own management decisions or favouritism towards certain players and dislike for others, Lampard's me me me victimhood and thin skinnedness, the Chelsea supporters' favourable attitude towards him, or the consistently favourable coverage he received in the UK sports press

Nostalgic nepotism in other words


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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:55pm
Did anyone happen to notice a certain Irish sports journo on Twitter have a bit of a breakdown a few weekends ago, some very personal tweets at about 12.30/1 am that were deleted the next morning?




Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Did anyone happen to notice a certain Irish sports journo on Twitter have a bit of a breakdown a few weekends ago, some very personal tweets at about 12.30/1 am that were deleted the next morning?


Himself and his mate Parkinson have gone stone raving mental

They take professional contrarian positions on a load of things to try and make themselves relevant and then make fools of themselves trying to defend these ludicrous professional contrarian positions

The Toby Young and Richard Littlejohn of Irish sports media

It's probably working for them in terms of profile - but at the same time they're pigeon holing themselves into a position where it's hard to see any how reputable organisation will touch them - but they clearly think they can make a living from alternative media purely by generating clicks


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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:12pm
Not sure you're on about the same person here Sid


Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Not sure you're on about the same person here Sid
I presumed you were talking about Qewan

If not, who are you talking about?


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 
I tend to disagree a lot with people who have awful opinions

Like, if anybody can come up with a writer or journalist who can make a good case for Trump or Brexit or Putin or the current Tory government, I'm all ears

I've yet to find one

Who are these excellent journalists that you would fundamentally disagree with

Ken Earley I think Is an excellent writer but I would disagree with a lot of what he says 

Martin Samuel would be another one.  

Eamon dunphy is a brilliant writer but a spoofer in many ways but a very good interviewer too. 

I like Chris John's in the Irish Times but I wouldnt be as market driven as he is.  

Des Cahill is a terrible journalist but he seems like a decent guy and I would privacy agree with him on most things gs but he doesn't have one curious bone in his body.  

Jennifer o connell is someone worth reading but I disagree with a lot of what she says.  


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 
I tend to disagree a lot with people who have awful opinions

Like, if anybody can come up with a writer or journalist who can make a good case for Trump or Brexit or Putin or the current Tory government, I'm all ears

I've yet to find one

Who are these excellent journalists that you would fundamentally disagree with

Ken Earley I think Is an excellent writer but I would disagree with a lot of what he says 

Martin Samuel would be another one.  

Eamon dunphy is a brilliant writer but a spoofer in many ways but a very good interviewer too. 

I like Chris John's in the Irish Times but I wouldnt be as market driven as he is.  

Des Cahill is a terrible journalist but he seems like a decent guy and I would privacy agree with him on most things gs but he doesn't have one curious bone in his body.  

Jennifer o connell is someone worth reading but I disagree with a lot of what she says.  
But any disagreements you'd have with those would be very much within normal parameters, or on fairly trivial matters like football

I like most of Una Mullally's opinions but as a writer and as a journalist I don't think she's very good

Jennifer O'Connell is decent

I think the main fault line in journalism today is good faith/bad faith

What I do think there is a lot of is journalists who are largely good faith bending over backwards to class those who are not good faith as legitimate good faith operators rather than the charlatans they are - and they feed into the notion that people who can actually see the true charlatan nature of bad faith right wing operators are "hysterical" rather than the reality of them being spot on

I've seen some of this lately from Michael Clifford, Michael O'Regan and Conor Gallagher, particularly around the far right anti-mask demonstrations

The Irish media's house US politics "expert" Larry Donnelly (he's an expert in the same way Eamon Dunphy is an expert on Spanish football) is a huge offender in this regard

Dunphy and Joe Brolly are very similar, capable of very good stuff but often come out with pure barstool nonsense 

Stephen Collins of the Times is generally sh*te but capable of the odd decent column

Wouldn't be a fan of Colm McCarthy's ideology but he is a capable writer

Michael Walker I find to be a terrific writer on football, brings social context into his writing a lot, Early too is a brilliant writer, he's the most entertaining commentator on football by a mile

I wouldn't be a big fan of a lot of broadsheet UK sportswriters, the Henry Winter/Patrick Barclay/Paul Hayward types, there's a lot of pompousness there, they're no Hugh McIlvanneys anyway






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Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 

I will be shocked if you don't disagree with everybody one way or the other Baldie .


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:


I wouldn't be a big fan of a lot of broadsheet UK sportswriters, the Henry Winter/Patrick Barclay/Paul Hayward types, there's a lot of pompousness there, they're no Hugh McIlvanneys anyway


Reading back over this line reminded me of this

Must find out who wrote it
 


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 1:59pm
f**king hell

The seeds of Brexit were certainly deep rooted

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/3625581/On-balance-God-probably-is-English.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/3625581/On-balance-God-probably-is-English.html

On balance, God probably is English

Truly there are days when, as the poet Browning says, God is in His Heaven and all is right with the world. Today is such a day: a cloudless June sky, the oxen reposed in the shade of the mighty British oak, the reek rising from a million barbecues, and England beginning its World Cup endeavour.

In our hearts, we know that Sven-Goran Eriksson's team may not be the favourites; but we also know that this is as decent a crack at the trophy as England has had since 1970.

Readers with no interest in football must surely have been caught up, however slightly, in the national mood. The flag of St George flies everywhere - except over certain misguided council buildings. Even readers in Scotland, Wales and Ireland cannot be wholly indifferent. For the profusion of English flags shows that the English have at last understood the nature of our national settlement.

Only rarely these days do we hear the solecism that used to cause so much annoyance in the other component parts of the kingdom, namely the use of "England" to mean "Britain". In 1966, England fans flew the Union flag almost to a man; today, they have finally grasped the difference.

It is true, of course, that many of our Scottish readers will be cheering heartily for Paraguay this afternoon. But it would be wrong to infer too much from what is, after all, a game. Had Tottenham Hotspur played CA River Plate at the height of the Falklands, we suspect that a fair number of Arsenal fans would have been cheering the Porteños; but that wouldn't have meant that they wanted to lose the war.

We can all feel a sense of benign patriotism about one of our most popular inventions. Never mind all that nonsense about the Chinese having started the game. It was the British who codified and exported it, which is why so many foreign clubs have English names: Athletic Club Bilbao, AC Milan (not Milano), Corinthians in S£o Paolo. We can, in short, give ourselves a hearty pat on the back; but not just for this.

Football is only one of the many innovations we have given the world: rubber bands, spinning jennies, steam engines, penicillin, cat's eyes, the internet. We are a bold, spirited, adventurous people. Let's not confine our patriotism to the sports field, as po-faced Eurocrats urge. Let's treat the outpouring of self-celebration as the beginning of something that will last, regardless of what happens on the pitch.



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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 

I will be shocked if you don't disagree with everybody one way or the other Baldie .

Ironic you saying that as you are disagreeing with nearly everybody on the Stephen Kenny thread. 


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Posted By: Claret Murph
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

do you mean you think they are bad journalists or that you disagree with their opinions.  

There are some excellent journalists who I would fundamentally disagree with on most things they say. 

Then there are journalists who I agree with that I don’t rate. 

I will be shocked if you don't disagree with everybody one way or the other Baldie .

Ironic you saying that as you are disagreeing with nearly everybody on the Stephen Kenny thread. 

Baldie , i have stayed off that thread and will try my best to do so everyday until after the Serbia game .


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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 2:21pm
Good 
Ewan McKenna 

Bad
Neil Francis
Gerry Thornley 


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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 2:30pm
Martin Samuel is one of those sportswriters who is revered in England and I can't for the life of me think why! Henry Winter is another one. Ken Early would be similar at home.

I enjoy Marina Hyde, even though I think she is very much a part of the problem, but she is funny.  Polly Toynbee is a decent writer, I have to admit, but I can't read her without getting annoyed. I believe Phil Ochs summed her up in a song once!LOL I only agree with Owen Jones about 90% of the time, but I do enjoy his writing aside of that.  I only agree with O'Toole about half the time, but he is a national treasure. I don't think I have ever disagreed with Monbiot, but he is unquestionably an excellent writer. Gary Younge, John Harris, Naomi O'Leary and Arwa Mahdawi are all writers I would read based on name rather than headlines. Scally, the Irish Times man in Berlin, is excellent too. 
Someone mentioned Chris Johns and he is very enjoyable, for a posh capitalist!
On the other side, the likes of Nick Cohen, Andrew Rawnsley and Jonathan Freedland are barely literate.

I love Eamonn Sweeney and rarely agree with him, or even have much of an interest in the subject. I haven't read much of him in a while though. His book on following Sligo Rovers is a masterpiece. Donald McRae is similar.  

Football wise, Michael Walker's recent eulogy to Colin Bell might change my opinion of him! It was an incredible piece. Harry Pearson is absolutely brilliant, as is David Conn. There are still others out there who are great, but my lack of interest in the game at franchise level means I don't bother any more.





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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Did anyone happen to notice a certain Irish sports journo on Twitter have a bit of a breakdown a few weekends ago, some very personal tweets at about 12.30/1 am that were deleted the next morning?


His missus (now ex) had his log in details and used his on twotter to out him
 The fella in question is a bit of a bogey 


Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Did anyone happen to notice a certain Irish sports journo on Twitter have a bit of a breakdown a few weekends ago, some very personal tweets at about 12.30/1 am that were deleted the next morning?


His missus (now ex) had his log in details and used his on twotter to out him
 The fella in question is a bit of a bogey 
This half-gossiping is bringing out the worst in me.LOL Any sort of a clue or message would be tremendous.


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Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 3:42pm
Conor Gallagher is excellent. Gavan Reilly has been a real addition to the media market. The late Paul Anthony Mcdermott was humorous and insightful. 


Posted By: Shedite
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 3:48pm
Jennifer O'Connell is the worst for me, same article every single week ("10 reasons Food in Dublin is great"). 
Charlie Weston is complete clickbait at this stage too ("You could be paying 1000% too much on your shopping" - click inside - stop buying champagne)

I like Ian O'Riordan, Vincent Hogan, Fintan O'Toole, Dave McWilliams.


Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Jennifer O'Connell is the worst for me, same article every single week ("10 reasons Food in Dublin is great"). 
Charlie Weston is complete clickbait at this stage too ("You could be paying 1000% too much on your shopping" - click inside - stop buying champagne)

I like Ian O'Riordan, Vincent Hogan, Fintan O'Toole, Dave McWilliams.
McWilliams' podcast is brilliant, but his articles in the Times on a Saturday is a bit pointless when you have listened to it.

I enjoy Frank McNally too.


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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Did anyone happen to notice a certain Irish sports journo on Twitter have a bit of a breakdown a few weekends ago, some very personal tweets at about 12.30/1 am that were deleted the next morning?



Who?


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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 4:00pm
Ciaran O’Ragaillagh


Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Conor Gallagher is excellent. Gavan Reilly has been a real addition to the media market. The late Paul Anthony Mcdermott was humorous and insightful. 
Done f**k all for West Bromwich today

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Jennifer O'Connell is the worst for me, same article every single week ("10 reasons Food in Dublin is great"). 
Charlie Weston is complete clickbait at this stage too ("You could be paying 1000% too much on your shopping" - click inside - stop buying champagne)

I like Ian O'Riordan, Vincent Hogan, Fintan O'Toole, Dave McWilliams.

Some trick as she lives in Waterford 😀😀😀


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 4:59pm
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Martin Samuel is one of those sportswriters who is revered in England and I can't for the life of me think why! Henry Winter is another one. Ken Early would be similar at home.

I enjoy Marina Hyde, even though I think she is very much a part of the problem, but she is funny.  Polly Toynbee is a decent writer, I have to admit, but I can't read her without getting annoyed. I believe Phil Ochs summed her up in a song once!LOL I only agree with Owen Jones about 90% of the time, but I do enjoy his writing aside of that.  I only agree with O'Toole about half the time, but he is a national treasure. I don't think I have ever disagreed with Monbiot, but he is unquestionably an excellent writer. Gary Younge, John Harris, Naomi O'Leary and Arwa Mahdawi are all writers I would read based on name rather than headlines. Scally, the Irish Times man in Berlin, is excellent too. 
Someone mentioned Chris Johns and he is very enjoyable, for a posh capitalist!
On the other side, the likes of Nick Cohen, Andrew Rawnsley and Jonathan Freedland are barely literate.

I love Eamonn Sweeney and rarely agree with him, or even have much of an interest in the subject. I haven't read much of him in a while though. His book on following Sligo Rovers is a masterpiece. Donald McRae is similar.  

Football wise, Michael Walker's recent eulogy to Colin Bell might change my opinion of him! It was an incredible piece. Harry Pearson is absolutely brilliant, as is David Conn. There are still others out there who are great, but my lack of interest in the game at franchise level means I don't bother any more.




Great call on Eamon Sweeney, a truly great writer.  

I wouldn’t call Colm McCarthy a journalist.  He is an economist does an weekly article that gives his economic analysis.  But he is or certainly was a working economist.  


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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 5:22pm
 Una Mullally likes shes being a slave and oppressed since the day she was born. 

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 5:26pm
mick Clifford is probably the best journalist in Ireland at the moment imo. Katie Hannon too is excellent. Nicola Tallant is very good on crime imo.  Sean Whelan of Rte is very good too esp in his previous posting as economic correspondent. 

David Sneyed is an excellent football journalist. 




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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 5:34pm
I did like Eamon Sweeney's book "The Road to Croker" and the one about Sligo Rovers, even if the latter was a bit derivative from Fever Pitch and especially Not Playing For Celtic by David Bennie (which is very good)

But I mainly find Sweeney's articles fairly turgid, they're like sports writing for beginners, the one about Stephen Rochford a few years back was one of the biggest piles of sh*te I've ever read

Neil Francis can be very good when on form but he is also prone to throw out the odd stinker, especially when he veers into social commentary, he veered into writing about Colin Kaepernick a while back and it was car crash

If he sticks to rugby analysis and humorous whimsical tales from days of yore he's worth reading 

Don't care what people think of Paul Kimmage, he has done enough to be considered a great writer in my view, he has upset all the right people over the course of his career





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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

mick Clifford is probably the best journalist in Ireland at the moment imo. Katie Hannon too is excellent. Nicola Tallant is very good on crime imo.  Sean Whelan of Rte is very good too esp in his previous posting as economic correspondent. 

David Sneyed is an excellent football journalist. 


Be good if he could go more than two minutes without saying f**k any time he's interviewed

He was on Second Captains a couple of weeks back and was talking about Stephen Kenny and Alan Kelly etc., he did a monologue which went on about five or six minutes and said nothing of interest, it was painful, Ken Early was too polite to interupt

Katie Hannon is the thinking man's idea of a ride and a good, versatile journalist

Clifford is a good journalist but blotted his copy book in a big way with the way he reacted to those far rights demonstrations some months back, he made a tool of himself





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Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 6:18pm
I'm not fan of the type of 'progressive' journalism which has somewhat of an "in fairness..." attitude to Sinn Fein. Drawn from the progressive wing, they have made the mistake that the Shinners are anything more than a populist party, which could stand on the centre right as much as the centre left. Sure, its a counterweight to FF/FG in electoral terms, but the Labour Party and the SD's are the real home for the Irish progressives.


Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I'm not fan of the type of 'progressive' journalism which has somewhat of an "in fairness..." attitude to Sinn Fein. Drawn from the progressive wing, they have made the mistake that the Shinners are anything more than a populist party, which could stand on the centre right as much as the centre left. Sure, its a counterweight to FF/FG in electoral terms, but the Labour Party and the SD's are the real home for the Irish progressives.
How is a right of centre party home for progressives? I have some time for the SDs, but Labour are a regressive party.


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Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 6:24pm
Irish Politics thread for discussing politics lads.


Posted By: oldbilly
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

mick Clifford is probably the best journalist in Ireland at the moment imo. Katie Hannon too is excellent. Nicola Tallant is very good on crime imo.  Sean Whelan of Rte is very good too esp in his previous posting as economic correspondent. 

David Sneyed is an excellent football journalist. 


Be good if he could go more than two minutes without saying f**k any time he's interviewed

He was on Second Captains a couple of weeks back and was talking about Stephen Kenny and Alan Kelly etc., he did a monologue which went on about five or six minutes and said nothing of interest, it was painful, Ken Early was too polite to interupt

Katie Hannon is the thinking man's idea of a ride and a good, versatile journalist

Clifford is a good journalist but blotted his copy book in a big way with the way he reacted to those far rights demonstrations some months back, he made a tool of himself




“Thinking mans idea of a ride” 
Clown


Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 7:28pm
Good - Michael Harding, Keith Duggan, Brian Glanville, Miriam Lord, Tobias Jones....Bad - Fintan O Toole, Eamon Sweeney, Paul Williams

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Posted By: The GerK
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Martin Samuel is one of those sportswriters who is revered in England and I can't for the life of me think why! Henry Winter is another one. Ken Early would be similar at home.

I enjoy Marina Hyde, even though I think she is very much a part of the problem, but she is funny.  Polly Toynbee is a decent writer, I have to admit, but I can't read her without getting annoyed. I believe Phil Ochs summed her up in a song once!LOL I only agree with Owen Jones about 90% of the time, but I do enjoy his writing aside of that.  I only agree with O'Toole about half the time, but he is a national treasure. I don't think I have ever disagreed with Monbiot, but he is unquestionably an excellent writer. Gary Younge, John Harris, Naomi O'Leary and Arwa Mahdawi are all writers I would read based on name rather than headlines. Scally, the Irish Times man in Berlin, is excellent too. 
Someone mentioned Chris Johns and he is very enjoyable, for a posh capitalist!
On the other side, the likes of Nick Cohen, Andrew Rawnsley and Jonathan Freedland are barely literate.

I love Eamonn Sweeney and rarely agree with him, or even have much of an interest in the subject. I haven't read much of him in a while though. His book on following Sligo Rovers is a masterpiece. Donald McRae is similar.  

Football wise, Michael Walker's recent eulogy to Colin Bell might change my opinion of him! It was an incredible piece. Harry Pearson is absolutely brilliant, as is David Conn. There are still others out there who are great, but my lack of interest in the game at franchise level means I don't bother any more.




Sweeney one of the most under celebrated writers in Ireland. As you say, agree or not he is very sharp with a pen


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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:56pm
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL


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That's how you fight loneliness,
You laugh at every joke,
Drag your blanket blindly,
Fill your heart with smoke,


Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 10:47am
Mark Tighe and Paul Rowen Thumbs Up


Posted By: Newryrep
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:00am
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Mark Tighe and Paul Rowen Thumbs Up

Indeed - good call 


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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:02am
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL
I used to read his GAA columns though, despite having a strong hatred of the association and no interest at all in the games themselves. As I mentioned, I very rarely agree with him at all, but always enjoy the way it is put across. 


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:18am
yeah I think there a few differences here 

There are very good writers such as Sweeney and whether you agree or disagree you can admire the writing. 

Then there are good journalists who work on a story and investigate it  and are brave in their follow up and analyse it and present it in a fashion that the reader can understand.  Tighe and Rowan fall into that category.  

People who work in an industry and do a piece on a Sunday in relation to their area of expertise are not really journalists in my view.  


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:22am
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL
Many times in recent years there has been a stark contrast between the brilliance of the hurling final and the utter turgidity of Ireland qualifiers

Bizarre "point" about hurling not being popular outside Ireland, as if that has any connection to its worth as a sport - it doesn't - it only demonstrates that Ireland is a tiny country without much historical or contemporary international political, cultural or media influence

Ireland didn't qualify for the 2018 World Cup, if they'd got enough points to qualify, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't 

If they'd won the play-off, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't, and neither will they be qualifying for a World Cup for a long time

Not sure how you make out the Ireland team qualifying for the last 16 at a 24 team Euros is a greater sporting achievement than winning an All-Ireland, but carry on 

Think you'll find that winning an All-Ireland is celebrated as much and more in most counties than Ireland qualifying for a finals in association football

I suppose being from a county which has never won an All-Ireland in your lifetime you wouldn't be in the best position to know that Wink






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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:34am
hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.  

Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. 

Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.  


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:47am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.  

Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. 

Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.  
Depends what you count as an achievement, Ireland haven't had many in history, I'd consider Kilkenny's four in a row well ahead of Ireland reaching the last 16 of a Euros in terms of achievement, not least because they actually won the biggest trophy in their sport, not once but four times, and some of those players won it eight or nine times

For the similar reasons I'd consider Wigan's eight in a row Challenge Cups between 1988 and 1995 as a far bigger sporting achievement than Ireland reaching a Euros


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:49am
Also nobody really cares that much about international football these days, it's gone a bit like the FA Cup

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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:57am
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.  

Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. 

Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.  
Depends what you count as an achievement, Ireland haven't had many in history, I'd consider Kilkenny's four in a row well ahead of Ireland reaching the last 16 of a Euros in terms of achievement, not least because they actually won the biggest trophy in their sport, not once but four times, and some of those players won it eight or nine times

For the similar reasons I'd consider Wigan's eight in a row Challenge Cups between 1988 and 1995 as a far bigger sporting achievement than Ireland reaching a Euros
The thing is though, only a handful of counties have a realistic opportunity of winning the All-Ireland. 
 



Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.  

Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. 

Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.  
Depends what you count as an achievement, Ireland haven't had many in history, I'd consider Kilkenny's four in a row well ahead of Ireland reaching the last 16 of a Euros in terms of achievement, not least because they actually won the biggest trophy in their sport, not once but four times, and some of those players won it eight or nine times

For the similar reasons I'd consider Wigan's eight in a row Challenge Cups between 1988 and 1995 as a far bigger sporting achievement than Ireland reaching a Euros
The thing is though, only a handful of counties have a realistic opportunity of winning the All-Ireland. 
 

You can say that about pretty much any elite competition in team sport

I mean who realistically thought any team outside Liverpool or the Sheikhs could win the Premier League this season

Who realistically thought any team outside about five or six teams could win the 2018 World Cup, and that's a cup competition




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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.  

Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. 

Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.  
Depends what you count as an achievement, Ireland haven't had many in history, I'd consider Kilkenny's four in a row well ahead of Ireland reaching the last 16 of a Euros in terms of achievement, not least because they actually won the biggest trophy in their sport, not once but four times, and some of those players won it eight or nine times

For the similar reasons I'd consider Wigan's eight in a row Challenge Cups between 1988 and 1995 as a far bigger sporting achievement than Ireland reaching a Euros
The thing is though, only a handful of counties have a realistic opportunity of winning the All-Ireland. 
 

You can say that about pretty much any elite competition in team sport

I mean who realistically thought any team outside Liverpool or the Sheikhs could win the Premier League this season

Who realistically thought any team outside about five or six teams could win the 2018 World Cup, and that's a cup competition



But probably around 30 teams could realistically think they'd have a chance of making the last 16 at the Euros. 


Posted By: Shedite
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 12:16pm
Apples and Oranges lads


Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

hurling is a niche sport in Ireland never mind the rest of the world.  

Achievements at an elite world level in football far surpass achievements in hurling due to pure size of population playing the sport and the competition just to become an elite professional in the first place. 

Hurling is a great sport and entertainment levels have been off the Richter scale in comparison to Irish World Cup qualifiers of the last 20 or so year.  
Depends what you count as an achievement, Ireland haven't had many in history, I'd consider Kilkenny's four in a row well ahead of Ireland reaching the last 16 of a Euros in terms of achievement, not least because they actually won the biggest trophy in their sport, not once but four times, and some of those players won it eight or nine times

For the similar reasons I'd consider Wigan's eight in a row Challenge Cups between 1988 and 1995 as a far bigger sporting achievement than Ireland reaching a Euros
The thing is though, only a handful of counties have a realistic opportunity of winning the All-Ireland. 
 

You can say that about pretty much any elite competition in team sport

I mean who realistically thought any team outside Liverpool or the Sheikhs could win the Premier League this season

Who realistically thought any team outside about five or six teams could win the 2018 World Cup, and that's a cup competition



But probably around 30 teams could realistically think they'd have a chance of making the last 16 at the Euros. 
And over 50% of them did


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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 10:39pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL
Many times in recent years there has been a stark contrast between the brilliance of the hurling final and the utter turgidity of Ireland qualifiers

Bizarre "point" about hurling not being popular outside Ireland, as if that has any connection to its worth as a sport - it doesn't - it only demonstrates that Ireland is a tiny country without much historical or contemporary international political, cultural or media influence

Ireland didn't qualify for the 2018 World Cup, if they'd got enough points to qualify, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't 

If they'd won the play-off, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't, and neither will they be qualifying for a World Cup for a long time

Not sure how you make out the Ireland team qualifying for the last 16 at a 24 team Euros is a greater sporting achievement than winning an All-Ireland, but carry on 

Think you'll find that winning an All-Ireland is celebrated as much and more in most counties than Ireland qualifying for a finals in association football

I suppose being from a county which has never won an All-Ireland in your lifetime you wouldn't be in the best position to know that Wink





Believe me Sid, it means more to you than it does to me if Mayo win an All-Ireland. I would swap Mayo never winning it for Conor Ray Charles Hourihane burying his 5 yard chance in Slovakia. 

It's 'we' and 'us' when it's Liverpool and 'they' when it comes to Ireland but I suspect that might be fishing more than anything so congrats hook,line and sinker on that one LOL

The bigger achievement is how our country does on the international stage. As someone that follows Mayo in the gah and enjoys watching hurling matches, any achievement in the gah sport has nowhere near the impact around the world in sporting terms the way a last minute Robbie Keane equaliser against Germany would. 

In terms of a spectator sport hurling is probably more exciting to watch than football and I can understand Sweeney saying the hurling final was more enjoyable than the Ireland qualifier. Objectively speaking it was but his description of hurling being an art in comparison to the football was pretentious 'proper mans game' gah bollocks. 


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That's how you fight loneliness,
You laugh at every joke,
Drag your blanket blindly,
Fill your heart with smoke,


Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 10:52pm
The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 




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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:12pm
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL
Many times in recent years there has been a stark contrast between the brilliance of the hurling final and the utter turgidity of Ireland qualifiers

Bizarre "point" about hurling not being popular outside Ireland, as if that has any connection to its worth as a sport - it doesn't - it only demonstrates that Ireland is a tiny country without much historical or contemporary international political, cultural or media influence

Ireland didn't qualify for the 2018 World Cup, if they'd got enough points to qualify, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't 

If they'd won the play-off, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't, and neither will they be qualifying for a World Cup for a long time

Not sure how you make out the Ireland team qualifying for the last 16 at a 24 team Euros is a greater sporting achievement than winning an All-Ireland, but carry on 

Think you'll find that winning an All-Ireland is celebrated as much and more in most counties than Ireland qualifying for a finals in association football

I suppose being from a county which has never won an All-Ireland in your lifetime you wouldn't be in the best position to know that Wink





Believe me Sid, it means more to you than it does to me if Mayo win an All-Ireland. I would swap Mayo never winning it for Conor Ray Charles Hourihane burying his 5 yard chance in Slovakia. 

It's 'we' and 'us' when it's Liverpool and 'they' when it comes to Ireland but I suspect that might be fishing more than anything so congrats hook,line and sinker on that one LOL

The bigger achievement is how our country does on the international stage. As someone that follows Mayo in the gah and enjoys watching hurling matches, any achievement in the gah sport has nowhere near the impact around the world in sporting terms the way a last minute Robbie Keane equaliser against Germany would. 

In terms of a spectator sport hurling is probably more exciting to watch than football and I can understand Sweeney saying the hurling final was more enjoyable than the Ireland qualifier. Objectively speaking it was but his description of hurling being an art in comparison to the football was pretentious 'proper mans game' gah bollocks. 
"The bigger achievement" is how our country does on the international stage"

This sentence doesn't even make any sense

Association football is more popular around the world, duh

The fact is Ireland have never achieved anything much of note at international level

Our best "achievement" at a finals tournament involved winning 0 of 5 matches and scoring two goals, both from mistakes

Of course I say "us" about Liverpool, why , wouldn't I, they're the team I follow most, sorry, we





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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:21pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 
Make up your mind about which is more onerous, elite footballer or elite footballer

K is a thousand, that's basic maths

All-Ireland hurling finals get 82k attending, more people attend hurling in Ireland each year than association football, the Irish team rarely sells out Lansdowne Road

Followed the Irish team closely, attending most matches for well over two decades, late 80s to early 2010s

I can take or leave the team now, like most people, it'd be nice to see them do well but I can get over them not doing well pretty quickly, it doesn't matter like it used to

Yes, certainly I would be much more interested in Liverpool over the last decade or so

The reality now is that most younger people aren't that bothered at all about how the team does and I think most people have accepted we'll never see anything like the Charlton years or even the McCarthy years ever again in our lifetimes





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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:22pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL
Many times in recent years there has been a stark contrast between the brilliance of the hurling final and the utter turgidity of Ireland qualifiers

Bizarre "point" about hurling not being popular outside Ireland, as if that has any connection to its worth as a sport - it doesn't - it only demonstrates that Ireland is a tiny country without much historical or contemporary international political, cultural or media influence

Ireland didn't qualify for the 2018 World Cup, if they'd got enough points to qualify, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't 

If they'd won the play-off, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't, and neither will they be qualifying for a World Cup for a long time

Not sure how you make out the Ireland team qualifying for the last 16 at a 24 team Euros is a greater sporting achievement than winning an All-Ireland, but carry on 

Think you'll find that winning an All-Ireland is celebrated as much and more in most counties than Ireland qualifying for a finals in association football

I suppose being from a county which has never won an All-Ireland in your lifetime you wouldn't be in the best position to know that Wink





Believe me Sid, it means more to you than it does to me if Mayo win an All-Ireland. I would swap Mayo never winning it for Conor Ray Charles Hourihane burying his 5 yard chance in Slovakia. 

It's 'we' and 'us' when it's Liverpool and 'they' when it comes to Ireland but I suspect that might be fishing more than anything so congrats hook,line and sinker on that one LOL

The bigger achievement is how our country does on the international stage. As someone that follows Mayo in the gah and enjoys watching hurling matches, any achievement in the gah sport has nowhere near the impact around the world in sporting terms the way a last minute Robbie Keane equaliser against Germany would. 

In terms of a spectator sport hurling is probably more exciting to watch than football and I can understand Sweeney saying the hurling final was more enjoyable than the Ireland qualifier. Objectively speaking it was but his description of hurling being an art in comparison to the football was pretentious 'proper mans game' gah bollocks. 
"The bigger achievement" is how our country does on the international stage"

This sentence doesn't even make any sense

Association football is more popular around the world, duh

The fact is Ireland have never achieved anything much of note at international level

Our best "achievement" at a finals tournament involved winning 0 of 5 matches and scoring two goals, both from mistakes

Of course I say "us" about Liverpool, why , wouldn't I, they're the team I follow most, sorry, we




I don't understand how that doesn't make sense. It's a bigger achievement any Irish team does on the world stage than within Ireland on one of the gah sports. 

Anyway you follow Liverpool more than Ireland. Fair enough. 


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That's how you fight loneliness,
You laugh at every joke,
Drag your blanket blindly,
Fill your heart with smoke,


Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-have-you-ever-seen-a-starker-contrast-between-sports-than-the-hurling-final-and-irelands-qualifiers-36116885.html

"So it’s unfair to compare soccer with hurling. The first is a game, the second an art. And like all great art, it ennobles not just the creator but the connoisseur"

Dead

Good writer or not, Sweeney (who was probably dancing in the streets like the rest of us during Italia 90) can get fooked. 

Hurling is an "art" that no country gives a fook about outside of Ireland. Any achievements in either of the two main gah sports will always pale in comparison to our national football team qualifying for a world cup or any major tournament. 

If we had beaten Serbia (the game Sweeney was alluding to) that night at home, it would've seen us qualify as group winners with only  a point needed in Wales. 

An entertaining hurling final doesn't compare to qualification for a major tournament on the international stage. The qualification/months of build up and the whole country being behind the Irish team is something the sport which Sweeney calls an art, will never ever surpass. 

Rant over anyway LOL
Many times in recent years there has been a stark contrast between the brilliance of the hurling final and the utter turgidity of Ireland qualifiers

Bizarre "point" about hurling not being popular outside Ireland, as if that has any connection to its worth as a sport - it doesn't - it only demonstrates that Ireland is a tiny country without much historical or contemporary international political, cultural or media influence

Ireland didn't qualify for the 2018 World Cup, if they'd got enough points to qualify, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't 

If they'd won the play-off, they'd have qualified, but they didn't, so they didn't, and neither will they be qualifying for a World Cup for a long time

Not sure how you make out the Ireland team qualifying for the last 16 at a 24 team Euros is a greater sporting achievement than winning an All-Ireland, but carry on 

Think you'll find that winning an All-Ireland is celebrated as much and more in most counties than Ireland qualifying for a finals in association football

I suppose being from a county which has never won an All-Ireland in your lifetime you wouldn't be in the best position to know that Wink





Believe me Sid, it means more to you than it does to me if Mayo win an All-Ireland. I would swap Mayo never winning it for Conor Ray Charles Hourihane burying his 5 yard chance in Slovakia. 

It's 'we' and 'us' when it's Liverpool and 'they' when it comes to Ireland but I suspect that might be fishing more than anything so congrats hook,line and sinker on that one LOL

The bigger achievement is how our country does on the international stage. As someone that follows Mayo in the gah and enjoys watching hurling matches, any achievement in the gah sport has nowhere near the impact around the world in sporting terms the way a last minute Robbie Keane equaliser against Germany would. 

In terms of a spectator sport hurling is probably more exciting to watch than football and I can understand Sweeney saying the hurling final was more enjoyable than the Ireland qualifier. Objectively speaking it was but his description of hurling being an art in comparison to the football was pretentious 'proper mans game' gah bollocks. 
"The bigger achievement" is how our country does on the international stage"

This sentence doesn't even make any sense

Association football is more popular around the world, duh

The fact is Ireland have never achieved anything much of note at international level

Our best "achievement" at a finals tournament involved winning 0 of 5 matches and scoring two goals, both from mistakes

Of course I say "us" about Liverpool, why , wouldn't I, they're the team I follow most, sorry, we




I don't understand how that doesn't make sense. It's a bigger achievement any Irish team does on the world stage than within Ireland on one of the gah sports. 

Anyway you follow Liverpool more than Ireland. Fair enough. 
How so

The achievement is by players to make it as professionals

The biggest Irish football achievements were personal ones by Ronnie Whelan and Roy Keane to become the main men in the best teams in Europe

Ireland reaching a World Cup quarter-final playing sh*te football,  with a load of players from the top UK teams, is not that big an achievement as a team

You're confusing achievement with excitement

By your rationale England reaching a football World Cup quarter-final is a bigger achievement than England reaching a rugby or cricket World Cup

But it isn't

The basic fact is our international team has achieved sod all of note

I would argue their biggest "achievements" were beating England and Italy at finals, but they followed it up with nothing

And it's not that big an achievement to win a game of football

Like, I'm sure people in Norway were excited they beat Brazil in 1998 but it doesn't exactly go down as a great achievement in the pantheon of football, or probably even in Norwegian sport

If we'd actually won something like Denmark or Uruguay or reached a final or even a semi-final like Croatia, then you'd be talking

Maybe Ray Charles might have stuck the ball in the net from two yards in Slovakia if Stevie Wonder wasn't managing him

I'm surprised that somebody who has "mufc" in their user name gets all annoyed at somebody calling Liverpool "we"

That's probably why I do it actually

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:39pm
to be a an elite hurler.  

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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:41pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 
Make up your mind about which is more onerous, elite footballer or elite footballer

K is a thousand, that's basic maths

All-Ireland hurling finals get 82k attending, more people attend hurling in Ireland each year than association football, the Irish team rarely sells out Lansdowne Road

Followed the Irish team closely, attending most matches for well over two decades, late 80s to early 2010s

I can take or leave the team now, like most people, it'd be nice to see them do well but I can get over them not doing well pretty quickly, it doesn't matter like it used to

Yes, certainly I would be much more interested in Liverpool over the last decade or so

The reality now is that most younger people aren't that bothered at all about how the team does and I think most people have accepted we'll never see anything like the Charlton years or even the McCarthy years ever again in our lifetimes




If you have no interest in the team what are you doing on the site then other than just boring others on here and clogging up threads.   There have been plenty of WUM like you that have come and gone and I am sure you will to when you are less bored. 

The mods know what they should do with WUM like you. 


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 11:58pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 
Make up your mind about which is more onerous, elite footballer or elite footballer

K is a thousand, that's basic maths

All-Ireland hurling finals get 82k attending, more people attend hurling in Ireland each year than association football, the Irish team rarely sells out Lansdowne Road

Followed the Irish team closely, attending most matches for well over two decades, late 80s to early 2010s

I can take or leave the team now, like most people, it'd be nice to see them do well but I can get over them not doing well pretty quickly, it doesn't matter like it used to

Yes, certainly I would be much more interested in Liverpool over the last decade or so

The reality now is that most younger people aren't that bothered at all about how the team does and I think most people have accepted we'll never see anything like the Charlton years or even the McCarthy years ever again in our lifetimes




If you have no interest in the team what are you doing on the site then other than just being boring others on here and clogging up threads.   Therefore have been plenty of WUM like you that have come and gone and I am sure you will to. 

The mods know what they should do with WUM like you. 
Only one person who's wumming here m8

And even that's a really poor effort as it goes


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 12:15am
that’s a bit unfair on muf 😀

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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 7:40am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 
Make up your mind about which is more onerous, elite footballer or elite footballer

K is a thousand, that's basic maths

All-Ireland hurling finals get 82k attending, more people attend hurling in Ireland each year than association football, the Irish team rarely sells out Lansdowne Road

Followed the Irish team closely, attending most matches for well over two decades, late 80s to early 2010s

I can take or leave the team now, like most people, it'd be nice to see them do well but I can get over them not doing well pretty quickly, it doesn't matter like it used to

Yes, certainly I would be much more interested in Liverpool over the last decade or so

The reality now is that most younger people aren't that bothered at all about how the team does and I think most people have accepted we'll never see anything like the Charlton years or even the McCarthy years ever again in our lifetimes




If you have no interest in the team what are you doing on the site then other than just boring others on here and clogging up threads.   Therefore have been plenty of WUM like you that have come and gone and I am sure you will to. 

The mods know what they should do with WUM like you. 
If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.



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Posted By: Newryrep
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 8:18am
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.


If Ireland were playing in Cambridge there would be a whip round for your train fare Smile


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 8:54am
I see what you are saying PM.  But I have no inclination to hop on to the Celtic forum and start posting about anything but Celtic and when I do post about Celtic to say I have no interest in them etc.  The same for any forum really on topics or teams that I do not care for.  It’s bizarre behaviour really.  The thing that made this forum was a sense of community that we all supported the Irish football team no matter what.  Now that’s not a call for no criticism of the team far from it as criticism is at least caring about the team.  However openly running down even the idea of the irish football team on a Irish football forum is the work of A WUM in my opinion.  

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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:23am
You need to get out of that echo chamber, Baldrick

An echo chamber of one




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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:29am
for the next Ybig quiz it will be Sid Bingo. Shout Bingo when he uses the following 

gaslighting/gas lighter  
Echo chamber 
Right wing conspiracy 
Bad faith actors 
Russian conspiracy

Winner gets a free Liverpool/Kilkenny half and half jersey.  




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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:38am
Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.


If Ireland were playing in Cambridge there would be a whip round for your train fare Smile
I would be insulted if there wasn't. The attraction of this place is most of the posters are the sort of people you would go out of your way to avoid and I hope that is mutual. Anyway, it is 20 quid, so that should put you off.LOL

Baldy, I haven't much interest in Celtic since the Dubai debacle, it was the moment I realised I might as well be supporting Coca-Cola. I still follow what's going on, like with Ireland, if not the matches. Ireland won't even be playing in a tournament I might have an interest in for few 


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:43am
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.


If Ireland were playing in Cambridge there would be a whip round for your train fare Smile
I would be insulted if there wasn't. The attraction of this place is most of the posters are the sort of people you would go out of your way to avoid and I hope that is mutual. Anyway, it is 20 quid, so that should put you off.LOL

Baldy, I haven't much interest in Celtic since the Dubai debacle, it was the moment I realised I might as well be supporting Coca-Cola. I still follow what's going on, like with Ireland, if not the matches. Ireland won't even be playing in a tournament I might have an interest in for few 

Celtic was just an example. I could have picked Liverpool or Tipp hurling or the Tory party.  Either way I have no inclination to go on to their forums and talk about any topic but the principle topic the forum was set up to cover. It’s bizarre behaviour and I think boredom is probably the reason.  Either way it’s the work of a WUM imo and it does the site so service when those who are genuinely interested are leaving the site or not posting and those that have no interest are posting loads. 


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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:49am
You are correct, I guess. It is a mixture of mild interest and amusement, especially at some of the things you get on here. I imagine that could be considered wumming.

I do have an interest in the posts about the teams, players and characters from the past though. Like anybody using anything on the Internet, it is entirely for my own satisfaction though. I don't come on here worrying about anybody else, nor is it a disservice; just don't read it. You would also question how much interest they really had  in the first place? 

Anyway, this was a genuinely interesting thread until the quidditch debate popped up.


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:50am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

for the next Ybig quiz it will be Sid Bingo. Shout Bingo when he uses the following 

gaslighting/gas lighter  
Echo chamber 
Right wing conspiracy 
Bad faith actors 
Russian conspiracy

Winner gets a free Liverpool/Kilkenny half and half jersey.  


Only one poster gaslighting here Baldy and it's yerself

Zero substance to yer contributions, but shure what's new

Basically what's happened is I correctly said Ireland played sh*te football in 1990 and correctly placed the Ireland international team's "achievements" in context, ie. that they weren't that great at all as achievements

Now you're all offended because of that 





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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.


If Ireland were playing in Cambridge there would be a whip round for your train fare Smile
I would be insulted if there wasn't. The attraction of this place is most of the posters are the sort of people you would go out of your way to avoid and I hope that is mutual. Anyway, it is 20 quid, so that should put you off.LOL

Baldy, I haven't much interest in Celtic since the Dubai debacle, it was the moment I realised I might as well be supporting Coca-Cola. I still follow what's going on, like with Ireland, if not the matches. Ireland won't even be playing in a tournament I might have an interest in for few 

Celtic was just an example. I could have picked Liverpool or Tipp hurling or the Tory party.  Either way I have no inclination to go on to their forums and talk about any topic but the principle topic the forum was set up to cover. It’s bizarre behaviour and I think boredom is probably the reason.  Either way it’s the work of a WUM imo and it does the site so service when those who are genuinely interested are leaving the site or not posting and those that have no interest are posting loads. 
Who made you the thought police?

The pompousness of you LOL


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:00am
Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team and much preferred harlequins or 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  


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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:03am
What are you flagging? Another sh*te thread? 




Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team much and much preferred harlequins and 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  
Your whole point over the last page or so is to set yourself up as the thought police

You literally can't even comprehend that anybody who doesn't have the exact same opinions as you isn't wumming

You're even calling for me to be banned just because you don't like my opinions LOL

Read back over your posts here, embarrassing stuff

As I said, there's only one person gaslighting and wumming here and that's yerself - and even at that it's piss poor gaslighting and wumming, it's actually pompous arseholery

"Agree with my opinions or you should be banned"




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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:06am
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 
Make up your mind about which is more onerous, elite footballer or elite footballer

K is a thousand, that's basic maths

All-Ireland hurling finals get 82k attending, more people attend hurling in Ireland each year than association football, the Irish team rarely sells out Lansdowne Road

Followed the Irish team closely, attending most matches for well over two decades, late 80s to early 2010s

I can take or leave the team now, like most people, it'd be nice to see them do well but I can get over them not doing well pretty quickly, it doesn't matter like it used to

Yes, certainly I would be much more interested in Liverpool over the last decade or so

The reality now is that most younger people aren't that bothered at all about how the team does and I think most people have accepted we'll never see anything like the Charlton years or even the McCarthy years ever again in our lifetimes




If you have no interest in the team what are you doing on the site then other than just boring others on here and clogging up threads.   Therefore have been plenty of WUM like you that have come and gone and I am sure you will to. 

The mods know what they should do with WUM like you. 
If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.


You must take some sh*tes in a day


Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:17am
Not sure if he counts a journalist, a glorified blogger really, but I don't think there is a bigger prick with a platform at the moment than Colm Parkinson. 

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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:18am
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The competition to be an elite footballer is far more onerous than to be an elite footballer.  A k knowledge of basic maths and logic would.tell you that.  



Good spot muf on the calling liverpool we 😀😀😀

You would wonder why sid even appears on this site when hurling, premier league football and the Russians and trump are far bigger interests of his than irish football. 
Make up your mind about which is more onerous, elite footballer or elite footballer

K is a thousand, that's basic maths

All-Ireland hurling finals get 82k attending, more people attend hurling in Ireland each year than association football, the Irish team rarely sells out Lansdowne Road

Followed the Irish team closely, attending most matches for well over two decades, late 80s to early 2010s

I can take or leave the team now, like most people, it'd be nice to see them do well but I can get over them not doing well pretty quickly, it doesn't matter like it used to

Yes, certainly I would be much more interested in Liverpool over the last decade or so

The reality now is that most younger people aren't that bothered at all about how the team does and I think most people have accepted we'll never see anything like the Charlton years or even the McCarthy years ever again in our lifetimes




If you have no interest in the team what are you doing on the site then other than just boring others on here and clogging up threads.   Therefore have been plenty of WUM like you that have come and gone and I am sure you will to. 

The mods know what they should do with WUM like you. 
If Ireland were playing in Cambridge I would go to London for the day now, but I have a bad habit of reading here, especially when having a sh*te.


You must take some sh*tes in a day
In work this week, so as many as I can get away with.LOL


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:21am
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team much and much preferred harlequins and 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  
Your whole point over the last page or so is to set yourself up as the thought police

You literally can't even comprehend that anybody who doesn't have the exact same opinions as you isn't wumming

You're even calling for me to be banned just because you don't like my opinions LOL

Read back over your posts here, embarrassing stuff

As I said, there's only one person gaslighting and wumming here and that's yerself - and even at that it's piss poor gaslighting and wumming, it's actually pompous arseholery

"Agree with my opinions or you should be banned"



To be fair you have done a good enough job on getting yourself banned previously when you lost control.  


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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:22am
Damian Day - He was a proper investigative journalist 



Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:25am
Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

What are you flagging? Another sh*te thread? 



Yeah another humourless sh*te thread from Sid where he talks about his go to
cliches and as a result has sucked any last bit of humour that used to exist on this section.  This from someone who has little interest or care about the Irish football team. It’s this level of cynicism that usually leads to a forum going downhill.  When Sid was on his holiday a while back the place was a much better place. 


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Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:54am
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Damian Day - He was a proper investigative journalist 

Not a patch on Roger Mellie

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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Damian Day - He was a proper investigative journalist 

Not a patch on Roger Mellie

Hello, good evening and bollocks. 


Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 11:31am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team much and much preferred harlequins and 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  
Your whole point over the last page or so is to set yourself up as the thought police

You literally can't even comprehend that anybody who doesn't have the exact same opinions as you isn't wumming

You're even calling for me to be banned just because you don't like my opinions LOL

Read back over your posts here, embarrassing stuff

As I said, there's only one person gaslighting and wumming here and that's yerself - and even at that it's piss poor gaslighting and wumming, it's actually pompous arseholery

"Agree with my opinions or you should be banned"



To be fair you have done a good enough job on getting yourself banned previously when you lost control.  
Look who's gaslighting again

Look who's still seething because my brother said something mean to him

Get over yerself ye pompous big girl's blouse


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

What are you flagging? Another sh*te thread? 



Yeah another humourless sh*te thread from Sid where he talks about his go to
cliches and as a result has sucked any last bit of humour that used to exist on this section.  This from someone who has little interest or care about the Irish football team. It’s this level of cynicism that usually leads to a forum going downhill.  When Sid was on his holiday a while back the place was a much better place. 
If there's anybody who has led to this forum going downhill it's yerself

Constant passive aggressive gaslighting, zero humour (you're not funny, deal with it), and sod all insight into anything

And indeed cynicism and constant projection, see above

You of all posters seem utterly intent on dragging threads into pointless personal battles

Sorry, but a few home truths need to be spelled out to you 

It's been entirely clear for at least a couple of months now that you're desperate to get me banned here, ask yerself why that is

I couldn't give a toss whether you like my posts or not, but you are not the thought police you have appointed yerself as










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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 11:52am
Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Not sure if he counts a journalist, a glorified blogger really, but I don't think there is a bigger prick with a platform at the moment than Colm Parkinson. 
A prime example of an attention seeker in an attention economy

Takes idiotic positions on things purely for reaction, for profile, well at least you'd hope so, the alternative is he genuinely believes the sh*te he talks 

Himself and Qewan are well matched

Pity because Qewan actually used to have some ability as a journalist, now he's decided he wants to be Toby Young


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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 11:55am
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team much and much preferred harlequins and 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  
Your whole point over the last page or so is to set yourself up as the thought police

You literally can't even comprehend that anybody who doesn't have the exact same opinions as you isn't wumming

You're even calling for me to be banned just because you don't like my opinions LOL

Read back over your posts here, embarrassing stuff

As I said, there's only one person gaslighting and wumming here and that's yerself - and even at that it's piss poor gaslighting and wumming, it's actually pompous arseholery

"Agree with my opinions or you should be banned"



To be fair you have done a good enough job on getting yourself banned previously when you lost control.  
Look who's gaslighting again

Look who's still seething because my brother said something mean to him

Get over yerself ye pompous big girl's blouse

Now now Sid I wouldn’t have thought name calling was your style.  Except when you lose the cool and get yourself banned.  I would have thought you were better than name calling.  




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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 12:00pm
Jaysus Baldrick will ya grow up ffs 




Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team much and much preferred harlequins and 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  
Your whole point over the last page or so is to set yourself up as the thought police

You literally can't even comprehend that anybody who doesn't have the exact same opinions as you isn't wumming

You're even calling for me to be banned just because you don't like my opinions LOL

Read back over your posts here, embarrassing stuff

As I said, there's only one person gaslighting and wumming here and that's yerself - and even at that it's piss poor gaslighting and wumming, it's actually pompous arseholery

"Agree with my opinions or you should be banned"



To be fair you have done a good enough job on getting yourself banned previously when you lost control.  
Look who's gaslighting again

Look who's still seething because my brother said something mean to him

Get over yerself ye pompous big girl's blouse

Is this the same brother who got himself banned for personal abuse to other posters and not me? Maybe he picked it up the anger issues from you or vice versa.  


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Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 12:23pm
Baldrick you are really boring.


Posted By: eireland
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 1:01pm
In response to the previous pages if Hurling or Football were the worldwide sport instead of soccer you'd see far bigger interest in the national team. When a county match like Tipp and Galway or Limerick and Cork can bring 60-70k to croker for a semi final or 40k to Thurles for a Munster round Robin match you know which sport is bigger in terms of importance to the general public. Soccer has a big place in Ireland but sadly most of the love goes to the Premier league. The bandwagon we string together for major tournaments is admirable though. 


Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Baldrick you are really boring.

Broken Heart
 

Heart


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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Where have I tried to police your thoughts? 

If I popped over to post on the rugby version of ybig (not sure if one even exists or not) and carried on as you have here spamming threads with the same agenda regardless if it’s connected or not and I also stated that I didn’t care for the Irish rugby team much and much preferred harlequins and 3 Rock Rovers in the hockey, I would expect to be ran off the site for being a WUM.  You have sucked all of the humour out of whatever sections threads (something I am guilty of here but then again there was not humour on this thread to begin with) 

The mods can do their thing but I am just flagging it, as the mods have correctly stated they cannot do their job unless people flag it.  
Your whole point over the last page or so is to set yourself up as the thought police

You literally can't even comprehend that anybody who doesn't have the exact same opinions as you isn't wumming

You're even calling for me to be banned just because you don't like my opinions LOL

Read back over your posts here, embarrassing stuff

As I said, there's only one person gaslighting and wumming here and that's yerself - and even at that it's piss poor gaslighting and wumming, it's actually pompous arseholery

"Agree with my opinions or you should be banned"



To be fair you have done a good enough job on getting yourself banned previously when you lost control.  
Look who's gaslighting again

Look who's still seething because my brother said something mean to him

Get over yerself ye pompous big girl's blouse

Is this the same brother who got himself banned for personal abuse to other posters and not me? Maybe he picked it up the anger issues from you or vice versa.  
You'll forgive me if I have anger issues offline, my father who I was a full time carer for died from hospital acquired Covid 14 days ago

But sure now you're telling me how to live my life, I'm "bored" or something, perhaps I need to "get a life", and all because I made some perfectly legitimate posts which you got offended by

What's your excuse for your anger issues, gaslighting issues and propensity for fake offence issues?

Boredom is the least of them I'd say




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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:07pm
Mind yourself Sid.  Speak to someone.  

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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Mind yourself Sid.  Speak to someone.  
Get stuffed

Grief is hard enough to work through without a passive aggressive gaslighter expressing faux concern 


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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 6:06pm
Jesus it's like the Alamo in here since last night. LOL

@Sid

I'll leave the multi-posting out of it. Yah we have a disagreement on achievements. It think we should leave it at that.  


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That's how you fight loneliness,
You laugh at every joke,
Drag your blanket blindly,
Fill your heart with smoke,


Posted By: Artie Ziff
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 4:28pm
Ermm 


Let's try and get the thread back on track - who are Ireland's best investigative reporters? 


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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

Ermm 


Let's try and get the thread back on track - who are Ireland's best investigative reporters? 
Gemma O'Doherty and Tom Humphries



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Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

Ermm 


Let's try and get the thread back on track - who are Ireland's best investigative reporters? 
Gemma O'Doherty and Tom Humphries

LOLLOL


Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 8:59pm
LOL

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That's how you fight loneliness,
You laugh at every joke,
Drag your blanket blindly,
Fill your heart with smoke,



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