Fake news & the far right
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Topic: Fake news & the far right
Posted By: nvidic
Subject: Fake news & the far right
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 8:56am
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Important article in the journal this morning, on how the far right used an electrical fire in Balbriggan to stoke racial tensions. I bought it myself ag the time I have to say. How an electrical fire in Balbriggan became a weapon used by the far-right to ignite racial tensions in the town https://jrnl.ie/5180007" rel="nofollow - https://jrnl.ie/5180007
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 9:13am
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The far right has no "legitimate concerns" or "legitimate grievances". They only have a desire to systematically divide society, incite a race war, and end democracy. Their interests are always the interests of corruption, oligarchs and kleptocracy. And the logical endpoint of this mindset, always, is genocide. Literally everything they say should always be assumed to be an outright lie. And in the very rare instances where anything say isn't an outright lie, it's only used as context-free, bogus evidence to advance fascism. The message that the far right are fascists who are total frauds in every facet of their existence, and need to be opposed in every way possible, needs to be driven home relentlessly. An educated populace is the only real defence against fascism.
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Posted By: theheff1989
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 9:55am
| Tis interesting how the vast majority believe what is posted online. Myself included for stuff. |
Posted By: MayoMark
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 10:14am
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The social dilemma is a very interesting documentary on Netflix. Briefly touches on how Google, twitter, YouTube, Facebook etc intentionally creates rabbit holes for these people, creating echo Chambers. They are dangerous, dangerous people ------------- They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car... |
Posted By: MayoMark
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 10:20am
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But in fairness, as loud as these utter ****s are in Ireland, I don't think there is any real prospect of genuine political breakthrough. ------------- They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car... |
Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 10:23am
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I think a good trick is to always question with more vigour stuff that you are more likely to agree with. So for many people who are not of this mindset many saw this as a rubbish link. Whereas others who were only too open to believe it took it hook line and sinker. That applies for all stories whether they be liberal far right or whatever. ------------- AKA pedantic kunt |
Posted By: theheff1989
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 10:33am
Gave it a watch the other day. Horrible folk. But yet people don’t seem to mind and will continue to use their platforms. While I use gmail as my email account
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MayoMark wrote:Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 10:34am
Thoroughly false equivalence People who are media literate tend not to have far right views because they generally form opinions based on real stories and real things Which is also why they don't become frothing at the mouth bigots People who have far right views actively seek to create propaganda or actively seek it out to justify their own bigotry They often get suckered into these views because they are not media literate, and get suckered by frauds peddling a simplistic, fraudulent worldview It should have been obvious at the time that this fake "story" was likely planted propaganda designed to incite racist hatred ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 11:07am
I'd bet that's why The Journal was specifically targeted by the Anti Mask freaks yesterday ------------- Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one". Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:10pm
It's about moving the Overton window so a more presentable self styled "moderate" version of this ideology gains traction The presentable version will be even more dangerous because it will have the same ideology as Craig Fitzsimons but won't present itself like Craig Fitzsimons Craig Fitzsimons is the guy who keeps shouting "paedo scum" in this video: https://twitter.com/vmax_14/status/1304800740859432961" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/vmax_14/status/1304800740859432961 Renua have already tried a version if this and failed miserably because they came out of Fine Gael Aontu are trying as well and are failing The real danger will be when a gifted demagogue who presents themselves as moderate but is a genuine extremist comes along They will portray themselves as being "for the people" and will target the working class specifically In Britain that demagogue was Nigel Farridge In Ireland we currently have a few of these potentials but they currently focus on being local career politicians, like the Healy Raes, Mattie McGrath and Verona Murphy We haven't yet had a demagogue who tries to target and split the urban working class There's a guy called John McGuirk who I would keep a serious eye on, he's very dangerous Paddy Cosgrave is another potential demagogue Once that demagogue comes along, the whole thing spirals out of control ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:29pm
You are never going to win a debate with someone by saying to them I am more media literate than you. It will turn them off and they may cosy up to the side that says you have done nothing wrong it’s the other than are the problem. More and more what would have been considered decent hard working folk are falling for this. Talking down to them won’t work. The right is horrible and they use horrible tactics and they do not tend to talk down and many people esp in working class areas are sick of people talking down to them and as a result are walking away from centrist policies as they believe correctly it has failed them. I would disagree with the solutions some are opting for such as the far right which is disgusting in all its forms.
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:30pm
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"It's all your imagination, Sid", plus performative smiley https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/hitler-youths-using-instagram-to-recruit-children-xfgnglklv?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1599991174%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/hitler-youths-using-instagram-to-recruit-children-xfgnglklv?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1599991174
‘Hitler youths’ using Instagram to recruit childrenFascist groups led by teenagers are targeting those as young as 12Teenage members of a neo-Nazi group that has threatened to carry out an atrocity in the UK to eclipse the Christchurch mosque shootings have been using Instagram to recruit and to spread propaganda. The leader of the group, the British Hand, who is believed to be 15, says he is planning an attack on Muslims and refugees arriving at Dover after crossing the Channel. Other members have pledged to infiltrate the army and get weapons training. The group’s activities across social media are laid bare in a new report by anti-fascism campaigners Hope Not Hate. Entitled Hitler Youths: The Rise of Teenage Far-Right Terrorists, the report reveals that children as young as 12 are being groomed online for the white supremacist cause. ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Shedite
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:30pm
| I wastched a 4 part mini-series on the Murdochs recently. This isn't something that's new to Internet-news, biased news with an agenda has been around long before Facebook |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:42pm
I am not a "persuader" I am a somebody who tells it as it is If people fall for far right narratives because they think somebody is arguing too forcefully, they aren't interested in reality and were always fodder for the far right anyway
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Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:47pm
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https://mobile.twitter.com/vmax_14/status/1304797601003266048" rel="nofollow - https://mobile.twitter.com/vmax_14/status/1304797601003266048 ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 11:20pm
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telling it like it is Sid. Is that not a line that someone like Peter Casey often use and other shock jocks. Can’t believe you have used the language of the right. Telling it like it is. ------------- AKA pedantic kunt |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 11:23pm
That's the point, duh, I actually tell it like is whereas them claiming to is obvious gaslighting Which you're doing here, without a point ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Huggybeer
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 10:36am
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Need to be careful, with all media not just social, when the story of John Pender being stabbed in spain broke, i checked most English newspapers and none carried the story, I recall thinking that if the nationality's were reversed it would have been front page. Media choosing whats important for us to know. %20" rel="nofollow - https://extra.ie/2019/06/21/news/irish-news/irishman-stabbed-in-spain-killed ------------- Getting old and intolerant |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 10:43am
Not sure of your point here ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 10:45am
Why would the English papers carry that? Of no relevance to them, might get a small paragraph here if it was the other way around but no more.
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 10:53am
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Media framing like the following example is really annoying There's far too much deference to right-wing power, by refusing to call things as they are Can the media and its commentators stop calling Boris Johnson’s Internal Market Bill “controversial”.
Call it what it is: illegal
The Bill is illegal
MP’s are divided between those who respect and uphold the rule of law versus those who do not.
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Posted By: Huggybeer
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 12:26pm
Point was that mainstream media steer us in a direction to suit a narrative as much as social media and its very easy to trust mainstream sources ------------- Getting old and intolerant |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 12:43pm
I'm still not sure of your point above An Irishman was stabbed to death in Spain This was covered by the Irish media I don't know whether any news outlet in Britain covered it in any significant way but I would presume not, which is hardly surprising That isn't a conspiracy, it's the nature of news reporting generally covering stories that are relevant to the area that the outlet in question is based in, ie. an Irishman being stabbed to death in Spain is not hugely newsworthy for a UK national newspaper Of course traditional media has editorial biases as regards framing and story selection - every outlet does - it's literally impossible not to have But editorial bias which attempts to create a particular view of the world is particular problem on the right - one only has to look at the British tabloids and Tory media The Times refusing to mention the verdict of the Hillsborough inquest on its front page in 2016 was a particularly horrible example, and that decision was clearly driven by embarrassment that a fellow Murdoch paper had done so much to spread the persistent lies that so unfairly tarnished the victims and survivors and created hell for the families of the victims - so they swept the news of the verdict, which was utterly damning for Murdoch media, under the carpet The whole Brexit thing could not have happened without years, decades of lies by the Tory media Trump could not have happened without the US right-wing media creating a pretty much fictional view of the world Your example above is a very poor one however
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Posted By: Olaf
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 12:48pm
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Do Irish papers print gang stabbings in Manchester or London, daily? As that’s what occurs here, no they don’t. I’m mind boggled to this one now. Papers print what sells papers and what their readers want to read, as ultimately a paper is a business. Without papers selling they go bankrupt. If the Guardian started printing pieces on supporting Gove they’d lose sales. Visa versa if the Telegrath/Times started printing support for Corbyn they’d lose sales also. ------------- Some people are worth melting for. |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 12:54pm
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Journalism is supposed to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted Right-wing media generally comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 1:26pm
What narrative did the English press take by not covering an Irishman stabbed in Spain?
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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 1:44pm
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just bought the Kerryman and no mention of a lad in Bueonos Aires who won the lotto there worth 10million but some mention Of a lad who won the Crokes lotto of 3,000. Typical media bias ------------- AKA pedantic kunt |
Posted By: Slow & Blind
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 3:33pm
Was that the North Kerryman or South Kerryman?
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Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 3:53pm
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I see Jennifer Zamperelli has invited an Anti Mask advocate on to her 2FM show tomorrow  ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 8:00pm
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Michael Clifford both sidesing yesterday's fascist demonstration And he's a journalist I would previously have had a bit of respect for Very disappointing If the media keeps doing this, we have a big problem ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: seanyshuffler
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 8:32pm
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What does sidesing mean, sorry? Didn't listen to all of brendan o Connor today but they mentioned it in passing in terms of covid, giving out about both sides. Besides that it seemed like there was very few there and your man Barrett doesn't seem like he'd be much of a figurehead. Guards should really be cracking down on this though. Seemed like a lot of hate speech yesterday.
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 8:54pm
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Both sidesing is a derivative of false equivalence Falsely claiming that those who oppose fascism are as bad as the fascists is both sidesing That's what Clifford did yesterday Another example of both sidesing is right-wing commentators who inferred that Biden was equally to blame for the sh*tshow the debate the other week turned into, when Trump was 99.8% to blame, with the other 0.2% blame being on the moderator Both sidesing is a cancer on public debate and consistently benefits appalling politics It is also a moral disgrace ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:22pm
That's a political theory called the Horseshoe effect.
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 10:47pm
It's not As an aside, punching Nazis should always be encouraged, because they're Nazis ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 1:12am
Yes it is a theory, you don't have to agree with it but it is an established political theory.
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 1:38am
Yes it is a theory and it is not what this is ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2020 at 10:14pm
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At what point do the Gardai step in and stop this carry on Because we will end up with an Irish version of Jo Cox before long if it is not stopped If this was an Islamist calling for mass murder on the streets of Dublin it would be stopped, and rightly so, have no doubt, so why is the incident in the following video allowed happen ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: seanyshuffler
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2020 at 10:20pm
| Link doesn't work? |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2020 at 10:25pm
Sorry, I've noticed that Twitter links don't work without going back and editing the post, the link should work now, content has a warning on the tweet ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: the_walls
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2020 at 10:55pm
Never heard of her. Is she a well known crackpot? The Guards should absolutely be taking action though
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2020 at 11:02pm
Well known enough Her real name is Dolores Webster but she calls herself Dee Wall She's a frequent sidekick of Gemmarrhoids She was at a fascist demo in Galway a couple of weeks ago and started coughing over people deliberately ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Donegalman
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 2:02pm
| Just seen two videos of those far right idiots and it’s absolutely sickening what they are up to mainly just the nonsense that are taking about it’s disgusting. One was Gemma O Doherty talking about how she didn’t know about Bobby Sands and that the hunger strikers were stupid to do what they did because they aren’t here now to fight globalists. She went into say the ira didn’t exist either. Another was the Nazi sheep farmer McConnell our marching on some backroad with a few flags wearing those masks like the anonymous web hackers wear. He was giving a speech about how MacSwiney wouldn’t have put up with the globalists. |