Great Hopes of the past
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Topic: Great Hopes of the past
Posted By: McG
Subject: Great Hopes of the past
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:02am
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Following on from the Troy Parrott thread - Andy Turner - 0 senior caps but huge hope at Spurs Mark Kelly - 4 caps Terry Dixon - of Stan fame Sean Thornton - of rapping in the dressing room and bleached hair fame
------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
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Posted By: Nialler
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:11am
Graham Barrett is one that sticks out in my mind.
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McG wrote:Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:13am
| Conor Clifford |
Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:17am
Richie Partridge- he was an underage star at Liverpool and many of the Liverpool players said he would be the next big thing. I guess you could name a few of the other Irish players that won the European U18’s. ------------- |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:43am
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Liam George ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:43am
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Oh wait, this thread only applies to white players ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:46am
He was at my age group in underage football. He was outrageously quick but there were a couple of better technical players about. Stella had a great team and they stuffed us most times we played them. Keith Andrews and Joe Murphy also on that team. ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: Het-field
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:51am
| More than that, there are a number of players that but for injuries, loss of form etc, should have been in and around the team that travelled to Euro 2016. When I think of Joey O'Brien, Anthony Stokes, Stephen Ireland, Darron Gibson, and Anthony Pilkington they should have been hitting their peak around that time, and instead had lived, or were about to live, slightly nomadic club lives, and hadn't been capped for years. If they had consistently played, or been able to play to their potential, I think we would have had a much stronger set-up. |
Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:05pm
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Jack Byrne. Obviously still on the scene but his career has fallen a long way short of expectations to date. Noe Baba was hyped to a ridiculous extent compared to the level he has ended up at.
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Posted By: ChesterCopperpot
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:05pm
| Paddy Lee at United - Gets a mention in Fergies book and all |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:08pm
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Dave Collins at Liverpool circa 1990 was expected to be the new Alan Hansen ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:30pm
| Joe O'Cearuill, Sean McGinty, Stephen O'Halloran, Stephen Bradley. |
Posted By: lassassinblanc
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:39pm
| The lad who looked like Gareth Bale |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:48pm
Were any of them actually that highly rated, or did they just fail to live up to whatever modest level of expectation there was around them? I certainly can't ever remember anyone talking about O'Cearuill, McGinty, or O'Halloran as if they were world class talents. ------------- We're decent enough.. |
Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:59pm
| Sean Murray |
Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 1:10pm
| O'Cearuill looked destined for big things at Arsenal when he was playing for Ireland under-21s, having seemed to have blown his chances earlier as a troublesome youth with discipline problems at Watford and Leyton Orient. He was released by the Gunners I think just before he got his two Ireland caps under Stan. His descent down the leagues would not have been expected. McGinty was the last player Alex Ferguson showed the door to at Old Trafford. He too had disciplinary issues which dogged his career and he too slid down the leagues, being replaced by on-loan Lee O'Connor in a poor Partick team last season and ending up on a short term contract with Morton. He was highly rated at Man Utd as a youth before it all went wrong. O'Halloran like the others was considered a real prospect at Aston Villa and capped by Stan but the trajectory hence was unaccountably downward. It's a tough profession to deliver on early promise and no mistake. |
Posted By: HuntysCousin
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 1:31pm
Kenny McEvoy?
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Posted By: BohsinMunich
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 1:33pm
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Ian Lawlor - goalie played U21s and was with City. |
Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 2:24pm
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There are lots of players who looked good underage but just weren’t up to snuff or peaked early. Lightening quick wingers or anybody with a penchant for the spectacular have a tendency to go off the boil. Players who really could play a bit, but went downhill because of a number of issues: Tommie Hoban at Watford, Mark O’Brien at Derby, Chris Forrester at Pats/Peterborough, Conor Henderson at Arsenal, Michael Reddy at Sunderland, Liam George at Luton. |
Posted By: lassassinblanc
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 2:26pm
That's the one
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Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 2:36pm
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Willo Flood ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Nialler
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 3:30pm
Thanks. I was trying to think of him earlier and was wreckin my head
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Posted By: Yiksheemash
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 3:38pm
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Kevin Kilbane, Keith Andrews, Glen Whelan, Jeff Hendrick ------------- In my country we fak, my wife she isa dead |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 3:39pm
Nah, never. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 4:32pm
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With Joe O'Cearuill I think it was just the novelty of Arsenal signing him led to the hype, his talents were always more non league level. Stokes is the only one of the great hyped ones I genuinely envisioned making it big, he was a similar level at 18 to Parrot now but seriously underachieved. Should have made allowance for his personal nature though which never did him any favours.
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Posted By: seanyshuffler
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 4:49pm
| Thought Liam Miller (RIP) was going to be mainstay for us but just didn't work out. |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 4:53pm
| Oh and Reid could have achieved a lot more in his career if he'd been able to stay away from Burger King. Looked an awesome talent as a teenager. |
Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 4:59pm
| Darren Potter. Played six times in the Champions League for Liverpool and ended up a mediocre lower league player. |
Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 5:07pm
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Paul Byrne of Celtic. Looked a talent. Scored twice in old Old Firm games. One a spectacular goal. Was talked about as a possible for the '94 World Cup. Ended up back in Ireland in fairly short order.
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Posted By: Baldrick
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 5:19pm
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title of the thread should be changed. An outdated phrase that is out of place in modern Ireland and in this context.
An old boxing phrase when it looked like there was no way a white boxer could beat Jack Johnson is not applicable here imo. ------------- AKA pedantic kunt |
Posted By: daveyc
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 5:58pm
those irish racists at it again
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:36pm
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There are a ton of players who have played senior international games for us and have not yet reached the level that they are capable of. Robbie Brady, Pilklington, Keith O’Neill, Anthony Stokes, Keith Fahey... Robbie Brady is perhaps one of the most gifted players we’ve had, but he hasn’t made any progress since 2016 ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: gspain
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:41pm
There was huge hype about Stokes. I remember going to watch him in an under-15 International at Whitehall I think.
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Posted By: JoxerDaly
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:49pm
| Alex O'Hanlon looked a gem at Liverpool and Madrid were intrested when he was at Kevins . Playing for Shels now. |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:53pm
He may have been a long way off greatness, but Potter still played a lot of his career in the Championship/towards the top of L1. Calling him a "lower league player" is a bit of a disservice.
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:56pm
Even up to a few years ago, I would have said he could have a premier league career if he pulled his finger out. He really is just a perfect example of how easy it is to f**k up your own life ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:14pm
Perhaps I was a bit unfair. He remained a technically proficient player. He just failed to reach the heights some of us had hoped for. |
Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:29pm
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Tony Sheridan looked like a really exciting talent at Coventry when they were in the Premier League. Quickly ended up back in Ireland. I remember watching him scoring a stunning goal for Shelbourne in the Cup against Sligo at the Showgrounds in the mid-90s when I was very young.
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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 10:04pm
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Shaun Byrne Wes Hoolahan ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 10:46pm
| Stephen Ireland |
Posted By: seanyshuffler
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:18pm
| Always hoped seamus coleman would be our Alaba |
Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:06pm
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Despite the deleted posts, a change of thread title would seem judicious It's still an unfortunate turn of phrase. |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:09pm
Thread title changed.  ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:24pm
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Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:55pm
Well done. Good call. |
Posted By: King_Kenny
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 10:08pm
What a waste!
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Posted By: King_Kenny
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 10:11pm
| Keith O’Neill . Thought he would have made a real player. His body said otherwise. |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 10:20pm
He would have preferred a VLC (very long career) ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Del Mullin
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 11:17pm
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i can make an 11 side plus some reserves derek geary joey obrien darren odea marc tierney stephen ireland rory delap thomas butler alan quinn anthony stokes steve heighway ALSO paddy kenny john thompson gareth farrelly stephen mcphail Sean thornton keith treacy anthony pilkinton stephen elliot leon best |
Posted By: King_Kenny
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 12:11am
He would have preferred a VLC (very long career) [/QUOTEOr a very lovable character! (VLC) Like yourself.
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Posted By: Healy52003
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 1:12am
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Declan Rice ohh wait Courtney Duffus Harry Charsley Eoghan O Connell Thomas Hoban It will be heartbreaking if say in 8-10 years a similar thread is made and we include Troy Parott in it  |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 1:31am
Tommy Morrison.....oh they've changed the thread title now  The converse of this is all the late developers we have who aren't rated that high as youngsters but then hit the heights later on. Wes was a classic example of this, nobody mentioned him too much at all under Trapp when he was being omitted. Of our current team all our best players at the moment - Doherty, Egan, Randolph Stevens all made a slow stuttering journey to the top. Hourihane too had to make his way up slowly , Coleman wasn't hyped as a youngster and nobody much was demanding Mcgoldrick be called up when they were all drooling over Hogan not long ago. That's each of our top Premier league players this season there whose careers have been a bit of a slow burn. Just seems to be the way Irish footballers make it these days, so makes up for the Conor Cliffords out there.
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Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 8:11am
Yeah when he got that big move to Man U it seemed he would be our best player for years. Stephen Carr is another. He did play about 40 games for us but never made it to 2002. He was the best right back in the epl for the previous 2 years and the year after.... Knee injuries ruined a big move for him as Man U and others were interested. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary McKay
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 2:42pm
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Carr was injured for 2002 !!
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Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 2:56pm
Yes real shame. Anyway what was your point? ------------- |
Posted By: Gary McKay
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 4:02pm
You said he never made it to 2002, suggesting loss of form. Just confirming he was injured, thats all. We actually didnt feel his loss with Finnan and Kelly ------------- "Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex |
Posted By: Zinedine Kilbane 110
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 5:07pm
True PFA team of the year had the following at right back 00 Kelly 01 Carr 02 Finnan 03 Carr But I feel he could have gotten a move to a bigger club and been a mainstay in the Ireland team for many years. ------------- |
Posted By: Healy52003
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 9:11pm
| It was a real pity the 2002 world cup was just a little early for John O Shea |
Posted By: sid waddell
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 10:09pm
It was a little early for me too. I slept in for the Ireland-Cameroon game. Bloody 7am kick-off on a Saturday morning. ------------- Edited by Trigboy 10 at 10:03pm |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 11:34pm
I disagree, he wouldn’t have made much difference, not even sure I’d have started him in that team His best days for Ireland were under O’Neill in his mid 30s
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Posted By: amccarten313
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 2:01am
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Terry Dixon |
Posted By: David McWilliams
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:05am
| Declan Rice and Jack Grealish |